De Walt?

Stigura

Bosch. Hitachi. Makita. I've killed them All! Never had a De Walt though. Word always had it They'd be MY nemesis! (At That bloody price ....?!)

So, the other week, needing a Forstner Bit, I actually plumped for a De Walt. (I know. But, it's De Walt. It's bright yellow. It has " De Walt " emblazened on its side. For everyone to see ~ except; I'm Billy No F***ing Mates!)

How chuffed was I? Until I found the f***ing Fortune Cookie!!! :mad:

I've since heard the natives are indeed getting restless.

So; What's the Boards DIY Massive's view on all this?

De Walt down de pan?

listermint

What in the jaysus is this thread about...

Stigura

listermint wrote: »

What in the jaysus is this thread about...

What's with the passive aggression? Do ye go to the Quantum Physics board. Think: " Nope. Beyond my experience. I don't understand. So, I'll post ' What in the jaysus is this thread about...'?


You the forum police? Why stick ye oar in?

cletus

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what's going on either. I thought I did, and then you started talking about fortune cookies, and now I'm lost

punisher5112

Buy a hilti you will never use anything else again.

my3cents

Or Milwaukee

Stigura

punisher5112 wrote: »

Buy a hilti you will never use anything else again.

I will, if its a bloody Mini Grinder! For some, unfathomable, reason; I'm the Grim Reaper of Grinders!

My neighbour's always saying I can borrow his. I flee! If I borrowed the one he's used for years? It'd die, in a puff of acrid smoke. Right there in my hands. Guaranteed! Why??? I swear to god; I don't over work them. I could cut plastic guttering and kill one!

Agreed though: Hilti. Makita. Milwalkee. Names a Tradesman would be proud to be seen, on site, with. (I'd Still kill their bloody angle grinders though! :pac:)

Regards DeWalt? Anyone who doesn't see what I'm saying simply can't have got the word. My boss knows. My Butcher's on the case.

What ever ...

the_pen_turner

not sure i am following this corectly.
i think the op is saying dewalt is made in china.


not sure why you are breaking everything. i can count on one hand how many tools i have broken or worn out. 2 of those are impact drivers that are used hard everyday. one burnt out after driving 20k screws on summer . thats pritty good.

cojomo2

Festool.

Stigura

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i think the op is saying dewalt is made in china.

My Man! :cool:


Why do I break mini angle grinders? My god; If Only I could figure that one out! It's just my curse!

I have a Hitachi power saw here. Blade's now as blunt as my thumb. Cut that much wood with it. Just waiting for the shop in town to get more blades in. Used it for Years though. Fine.

Skil drill? Must have been well old when I got it. Lasted me a decade!

Bosch power plane? No Problemmo. (Though, I Do have an aversion to Bosch. One of their drills let me down, big time. Now, I see their reviews slipping ..... Outsourced? Soy Sauced?)

But, no: No Brand. Makita. Some Other? THREE mini grinders in as many years?! I'm terrified of the bloody things!

If I ever see a twenty five yo grinder? I'll grab it. It'll die, anyway

the_pen_turner

how do you kill them . what breaks

Stigura

cojomo2 wrote: »

Festool.

Cool shout. I'd never heard of them.

However; At a glance? They appear all about cordless dust extraction?

I'm a fart around at homer. I actually prefer my plugged in and extension leaded tools.

Also; Dust has never really bothered me. Again; I guess not doing this stuff for a living. Day after day. Having smoked my lungs dry, for forty odd years?! I'm a walking dead man anyway! I just want to make some more nest boxes. Sawdust won't kill me now.

knipex

Hang on a second..

Did you buy a DeWalt drill bit or a DeWalt Drill or a DeWalt 4" grinder ??

Stigura

the_pen_turner wrote: »

how do you kill them . what breaks

Dunno, mate! Honest to god! And, I don't kill any other power tools. Only mini grinders!

Swear to god; I can be buffing off a nib of cement with one? Suddenly, it starts sounding wrong. Slows down. Smoke pours out! DEAD!!!

Stick a brass brush on one? Try to strip back the top of a small freezer? Smoke. Sh!t. DEAD!

It's like I'm a Marvel Super Hero. " Grinder Killer "! An ordinary man with an extraordinary capability.

I have a 9" Hitachi now. Complete over kill, for the sort of nick nacks I deal with. Every time I push its trigger though, I say a little prayer!

Seriously: I just can't see what I'm doing so wrong

Stigura

Stigura wrote: »

So, the other week, needing a Forstner Bit, I actually plumped for a De Walt.

knipex wrote: »

Hang on a second..

Did you buy a DeWalt drill bit or a DeWalt Drill or a DeWalt 4" grinder ??

Yeah. I know. Sh!t's organic

the_pen_turner

thats strange. we have a dewalt mini grinder for years and its fine after serious work over the years. i have a 110v hitachi (you often see them being sold as a set with the 9") i spent 3 days pritty solid grinding witha cup grinding disk. still perfect.


are you leaving them running while not using them a bit. are they 110v or 240 v . are you using a long cable

Stigura

With Dogs around? I'd, obviously, Never leave a power tool running.

Had them on fifty foot extensions. Died. Had them plugged into the wall next to me. Dead.

240 / AC / Plug in the wall. Always.

I swear to god. It's The Gypsys Curse. Put me on live TV. Give me a DeWalt, or what ever. I'll kill it. Right there on camera. And people will push back into their armchairs.

" :eek: What?! WTF did he just do?!? "

I'll be on Talk Shows! Uri Geller eat ye heart out!

Seriously though: There's just No explaining it

Anyway; Waiting for a fifty year old Wolf drill to arrive. To go in my fifty year old Wold pillar. Bet they'll both outlast this DeWalt bit! :rolleyes:

MrMusician18

If you are killing trade grade power tools you are either putting serious hours on them or are using them incorrectly.

The odd dud will get through quality control but its you thats the common denominator here.

my3cents

I can well believe that you can burn any grinder out - with enough use.

A guy I used to know in the UK makes tool handles (still does found him online recently) and restores masses of old hand tools. His main tool for virtually everything is an angle grinder with a 60 grit sanding disk on it. With that he can shape handles to fit tools and clean off old rusty tools (axes, spades, forks shovles etc) iirc his grinder of choice was always a Makita because it lasted longer than any others. In the end even the Makitas wore out think they normally lasted about 6 months then he'd get a warranty replacement use that for another 6 months then rince n repeat.

Most other grinders would hardly last a month with hard daily use.

Talking long ago to a repair guy who did warranty repairs for most of the main power tool companies its the quality of bearings that make the biggest difference once you have a decent motor and gears. The cooling sucks air over the bearings and motor but contains all the dust and crap that you are grinding. The cheaper the bearings the quicker the seals give out and all the crap gets ground into the ball bearings. Some of the manufacturers have tried to improve on the situation by only sucking air in from the back of the tool away from the worst of the crap think DeWalt make (or made) one that is advertised as doing that.

punisher5112

Remember the guy working with us who stated he worked with the ESB and many others and knew it all.... He would be drilling through a floor while putting all his weight on the drill which in turn meant it couldn't do its job.

He was some spoofer....


Couldn't even bend conduit.

Stigura

my3cents wrote: »

I can well believe that you can burn any grinder out - with enough use.


Its the quality of bearings that make the biggest difference once you have a decent motor and gears.

Okay. Going Way over my head, there I'm addicted to these 'Restoration' merchants, on the tube? " Hand Tool Rescue " is my favorite. I could watch him loosening nuts all day.

He seems, though, to have some esoteric understanding of ball bearings. It's all a mystery, to me.

And, when he opens an antiquated drill, and pulls out the motor? I just glaze over and watch copper wire.

But, as Mr Musician says; " The odd dud will get through ". Agreed. True. But; 'It's Me that's the common denominator.'?

No. No it's not. I own a sh!t ton of tools. I know enough not to abuse any of them. Most last me years. It's just mini grinders! Urrrrgh!!!

DeWalt? Are ye listening? I Challenge You! Me; Killer of All Grinders! One of ye best competitors, Makita? F***ing Days! I still have the husk, to prove it!

Look Upon My Work And Fear Me!

Send me your Best Corded Mini Grinder. Weep, as I kill it like Hitman Monkey would!

Then, perhaps do a post mortem and discover how I do it? And, I swear to god; It's most Definitely Not leaning on the thing. Pushing it. Or, in any other way abusing it.

I was taught, early on: " Never Force a tool. Let It do the job. Else it may come back at ye! "


Anyway: How the hell did a post about the quality of outsourced tools get to this

chillyspoon

Stigura wrote: »

Anyway: How the hell did a post about the quality of outsourced tools get to this

'cause most of us didn't have a feckin' clue what you were on about dude

sligojoek

20 years tiling and I'm only on my 2nd 4" grinder. 2000 till 2012 I had an Einhell. It emitted a cloud of smoke one evening and that was that. 28 punts. The next day I got a Makita for 75e and it's still going strong. One thing I'm strict about is "Don't lie on it" or "Drive it like you stole it" . Take your time. Let it do its job.

My first impression is you're putting too much physical pressure on the tool. Grinding takes a bit of time. What are you grinding? The disc should do the work, not you.

I've had 1 non brand screw gun die on me, and that was entirely my fault for the above reason

Stigura

sligojoek wrote: »

2000 till 2012 I had an Einhell. It emitted a cloud of smoke one evening and that was that.

That's It!!! Exactly! :eek: Cloud of bloody acrid smoke!


Did ye ever get to the bottom of WHY it did that though? I see people talk about " Brushes ". Could it be that a wire works loose?


Mate of mine's a Tradesman. He has tools He's had ~ and worked to death, every day ~ for years and years. I think he has a Makita 4"? Since for ever! He's a Plumber who's also well into welding. Solar panels. Black Smithing! He must give that grinder hell!


Me? I treat them like babies. They fart smoke in my face and die I swear to god; I'm not sure I'll Ever buy a 4" grinder again. It'd be Einstein's definition of Insanity!

Stigura

Deleted User wrote: »

My first impression is you're putting too much physical pressure on the tool. Grinding takes a bit of time. What are you grinding? The disc should do the work, not you.

As I'd said:

Stigura wrote: »

I was taught, early on: " Never Force a tool. Let It do the job. Else it may come back at ye! "

Just no rhyme or reason. I'm cursed

jim salter

Stigura wrote: »

As I'd said:





Just no rhyme or reason. I'm cursed

I'd gamble the reason is not that you're cursed but more your stupidity.

Learn how to use the equipment properly.

Stigura

jim salter wrote: »

I'd gamble the reason is not that you're cursed but more your stupidity.

Learn how to use the equipment properly.

Wow! Thanks, Jim! You're not an arrogant **** at all, are ye? Is it the drink, maybe?

my3cents

Stigura wrote: »

That's It!!! Exactly! :eek: Cloud of bloody acrid smoke!


....

When they just wear out what tends to happen is the bearing seals go and then the bearings wear out but the grinder keeps going but with the rear bearing loose (front can still be OK) the commutator (bit the brushes bear against) wears really fast because the shaft is no longer running true. Then either the thing overheats or the commutator gives ups and becomes short circuited and wooosh.

Or the whole thing overheats with crap buildup inside it and if this doesn't cause problems directly with the motor then the bearings overheat and start to melt the plastic housing just enough so they don't fit and then the above happens.

If you really apply enough pressure or let enough crap build up then you can just burn the commutator brushes or winding's out.

I have an air line in the shed and occasionally blow the dust out of my tools especially grinders.

sligojoek

Stigura wrote: »

That's It!!! Exactly! :eek: Cloud of bloody acrid smoke!


Did ye ever get to the bottom of WHY it did that though? I see people talk about " Brushes ". Could it be that a wire works loose?


Mate of mine's a Tradesman. He has tools He's had ~ and worked to death, every day ~ for years and years. I think he has a Makita 4"? Since for ever! He's a Plumber who's also well into welding. Solar panels. Black Smithing! He must give that grinder hell!


Me? I treat them like babies. They fart smoke in my face and die I swear to god; I'm not sure I'll Ever buy a 4" grinder again. It'd be Einstein's definition of Insanity!

No. I sent it for recycling. It had done a sh1tload of work and owed me nothing.

Interestingly, when I bought it, I was originally getting a Bosch for 50 punts. The lad behind the counter told me to get the Einhell because one item, in three years of carrying that range, came back with a problem. The company replaced it on the spot. He said if there was ever a problem with the Bosch, they'd fight it till the last and try and say the problem was at my end not theirs.
That grinder did trojan work with 10 to 12 mm porcelain (very hard) tiles and never complained.

Stigura

sligojoek wrote: »

If there was ever a problem with the Bosch, they'd fight it till the last and try and say the problem was at my end not theirs.

:eek: Identical to my own experience!

Exactly why the name of Bosch leaves a bad taste in my mouth, to this day!

Stigura

my3cents wrote: »

When they just wear out what tends to happen is ..... wooosh.

Or the whole thing overheats with crap buildup inside it ..... and then the above happens.

If you really apply enough pressure or let enough crap build up then you can just burn the commutator brushes or winding's out.

I have an air line in the shed and occasionally blow the dust out of my tools especially grinders.

Sorry. Forum gave me crap there. Hence my responses are upside down. What I'd previously typed was:

Wow! Thank You!

I honestly hardly have a clue what ye talking about ~ I've always been more creature orientated than mechanical stuff. But, in simple terms? Yes. I now see a possible link! Cases!

I'm a bit of a sucker for good, rigid cases I'd buy one tool, over another, on the strength of a good case.

Yet, how many mini grinders come in a cardboard box? What's with that?

Bloke who owns the local, independent, merchants once told me a power tool can die from Un use, as much as Over use. Tool left laying around can just up and die. Maybe he meant dust 'n sh!t drifting in there? Grease drying off on balls and things?

I can only say that my tools are, when ever possible, stored in purpose supplied, close fitting cases.

All my tools are kept in a well ventilated room. On shelves. Placed there. Not just slung down. Preferably in their maker supplied cases.

However, saying that? I have an uncased, no name, electric drill out there. Used every week. And an identical jigsaw. Used a few times a year. See? Logic and reason just doesn't seem to apply.

Anyway, how did this simple post about the quality of a remarkable brand became a tosser fest about mini angle grinders? There's only one common denominator there, eh? :rolleyes:

cletus

So did you buy a DeWalt drill?

Stigura

Drill Bit, Cletus. Forstner. Amazon reviews absolutely savaged the Bosch one (£8.00) and I'm not in the business of going for £3.00 ones. Paid £12.00 for this thing. Then, learned the horrible, new truth!

Word is; They're trying to dumb down certain of their range, to cheapen it and appeal to the household market. What truth there may be in that, I have no idea. But, if I were ever in the market for a full on DeWalt tool now? I'd have my eyes all over every word on that box!

I don't like the C word.

the_pen_turner

nothing wrong with made in china. it the guys designing the tools that are wrong. china will make you a 5 euro drill or a 5000 euro drill if you spec it that way.

GreeBo

This thread is more like De Wat?

chillyspoon

Stigura wrote: »

Drill Bit, Cletus. Forstner. Amazon reviews absolutely savaged the Bosch one (£8.00) and I'm not in the business of going for £3.00 ones. Paid £12.00 for this thing. Then, learned the horrible, new truth!

Word is; They're trying to dumb down certain of their range, to cheapen it and appeal to the household market. What truth there may be in that, I have no idea. But, if I were ever in the market for a full on DeWalt tool now? I'd have my eyes all over every word on that box!

I don't like the C word.

LOL - three pages in and I finally understand your original post

I haven't tried the DeWalt Forstner bits but have had plenty of other short lived ones from the far east.

Check out Fisch: https://www.fine-tools.com/fisch-forstnerbohrer.html and Trend: http://www.trend-uk.com/en/IE/productlist/3/253/forstners.html

Stigura

the_pen_turner wrote: »

China will make you a 5 euro drill or a 5000 euro drill if you spec it that way.

Maybe so. But; If who ever has always made DeWalt wanted to maintain their quality; Why not keep on keeping on? Why outsource?

In truth, I probably have far more experience and knowledge of traps, actually. Half a century of using a famous, english made one. Then, Chinese ones appeared. I bought some, just out of curiosity.

There were parts rattling around in the box! They'd fallen off in transit!!! :eek:

No. Not for me, thanks!

chillyspoon

the_pen_turner wrote: »

nothing wrong with made in china. it the guys designing the tools that are wrong. china will make you a 5 euro drill or a 5000 euro drill if you spec it that way.

V true and not necessarily about bad design; it's "fit to purpose" design and when the purpose is high volume and low cost; stacking them high in a big box store and selling them cheap then quality control is the first thing on the chopping block. Hence we see a high delta in reviews of the same tool, one person has one that's built great and lasts forever, and another with the same make/model has one that falls apart or burns their house down!

disposableFish

What in the fresh hell am I after reading...

Chinese factories make exactly what they're paid to make.
Every product you can get is either made in China or has Chinese made parts.
You have a whole shed full of tools? Only because of Chinese manufacturing, you wouldn't be able to afford them otherwise. Why hate on them?

Forstner bits aren't the right choice unless it needs to be a forstner bit.

Fortune cookies are American.

A good case is handy but not a good guide - Bosch green have excellent cases.

Nobody reading this thread thinks your tools broke for any reason other than "user error".


^^^This thing has not had little use/been looked after (though I do like the "cordless" modification

DIY vs. Pro-sumer vs. professional tools is a thing, hard to see how far DeWalt will go down that road. They already have the Black&Decker brand for market differentiation.

Stigura

disposableFish wrote: »

Forstner bits aren't the right choice unless it needs to be a forstner bit.

I'd genuinely appreciate any further information on that point. I've been making a Lot of 45mm holes, in 1" deal. Using a CK Hole Saw. It's been ugly.

Someone, on here, pointed out I might be better off with a Forstner. That's, honestly, the first time I'd heard of them.

What ye reckon?

the_pen_turner

i think a forsner bit is the right too for your job. what are you using to drive it. a drill press is the best for bits like that. you need the right speed for the diameter.
have a look at sharpening bits like that on you tube. even a new bit can need a bit of tlc

disposableFish

Hmmm...
Yeah, I'd normally say a flat bit or auger for cutting through anything...but a 45mm flat could be trouble and an auger that big could be hard to find/require a bank loan.

A good forstner bit is probably the right choice alright.
pen turner probably on the money by asking what you're using to drive it.

Stigura

Even as we speak; My, fifty year old, Wolf drill is winging its way to me. To fit in my, fifty year old, Wolf Press!

I aim to bolt that baby down. Make up a jig. Then take it cool and slow with getting these holes done. Sounds like heaven!

Hole saw might be fine for the odd job. But, when ye punching a couple of dozen at a time? Nah! I was dreading it. It was just Wrong.

the_pen_turner

hole saws a fine but on timber they clog up and over heat. if you drill a smaller hole that touches the main hole it can help. using compressed air can help
have you looked into tct holesaws. they are great

a step drill bit could work it you got one the right size


have you a link to the bit your using

Stigura

Have I looked at these 'Great' TCT hole saws? Yeah! Just now. Now I need a lie down! :eek: Jesus wept! Prices on those things, I'd expect them to make my tea and massage my shoulders as I work!

No. My CK's have cost me enough ~ what with arbours and so forth. Horrible bloody things, in truth, once ye have a job on. (I make bird nest boxes. When I get a moodie on, I'm at it on an industrial scale. It's got so I lay awake, dreading the holes part. A gruesome accident was inevitable, the way I was operating)

I'll wait and see how my new set up pans out. At least it'll all be secured, and I'll be able to calmly take my time. No one's paying me for this. I have no reason to rush, or put pressure on my tools.

Here's a random, googled, link to the things I've been using thus far. Like I say; Fine, for cutting a hole. But, when it's been a long day and ye have two dozen to cut? No.

Maybe they'd be fine in the drill press? But, I have this Forstner to try now

https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/905647-48mm-bi-metal-holesaw

the_pen_turner

Stigura wrote: »

Have I looked at these 'Great' TCT hole saws? Yeah! Just now. Now I need a lie down! :eek: Jesus wept! Prices on those things, I'd expect them to make my tea and massage my shoulders as I work!

No. My CK's have cost me enough ~ what with arbours and so forth. Horrible bloody things, in truth, once ye have a job on. (I make bird nest boxes. When I get a moodie on, I'm at it on an industrial scale. It's got so I lay awake, dreading the holes part. A gruesome accident was inevitable, the way I was operating)

I'll wait and see how my new set up pans out. At least it'll all be secured, and I'll be able to calmly take my time. No one's paying me for this. I have no reason to rush, or put pressure on my tools.

Here's a random, googled, link to the things I've been using thus far. Like I say; Fine, for cutting a hole. But, when it's been a long day and ye have two dozen to cut? No.

Maybe they'd be fine in the drill press? But, I have this Forstner to try now

https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/905647-48mm-bi-metal-holesaw

they are expensive

listermint

My father bought an angle grinder in Aldi the day the opened in ireland first.

This machine has cut miles and miles of pretty much anything, Steel, Wood, grinding, sanding, mopping, its chased walls for cabling it has a floppy power cord at this point but the thing goes and goes and goes and never failed to start.

I had a loan of it for the last year doing some ridiculous work on the house and its still there flying away. Looks like its been through the wars but its reliable.

Only saw a Hikoki (hitatchi) on sale there 2 weeks ago and said i better give my 'loan' back to him so i bought that.


I think everyone can agree cheap doesnt mean crap. And nearly everything is made in China and has been for a long time.