The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

ArielAtom

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Which baron are you on about? The Red Baron?



Nothing wrong with adopting a team in a city you move to. I support Millonarios myself. Plenty of Pakistanis in Ballagh and Ballyhaunis supporting their local GAA clubs.

Oh wait, I forgot. A lot of the Dubs here view immigration as an assault on irish culture. Never mind then.

Touchy, I was commenting on his propensity to be negative on Irish sport while professing he undying love for a team he never heard of until he landed in Brazil, his boyhood club as Robbie would say.

rebel girl 15

Quit the personal attacks - keep going and it will be bans

Paulzx

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gaffer91

Dublin get millions more than every other county. Both centrally from the GAA and from their sponsorship partners. They are overfunded relative to every other county by whatever barometer you went to use- euro per head of population, euro per registered player etc.

Because money is important in sport in the 21st century in terms of achieving favourable results, this money helps their senior football team, and other teams, to win more games and titles than they otherwise would. This funding imbalance has existed from some years now and continues to exist today.

They also have other advantages- they play all consequential games at their de facto home stadium of Croke Park, including All-Ireland finals and semi finals. They also have a massive population advantage on every other county.

That's all there is to the argument. I suppose there can be some debate about how to counteract these problems- I personally am in favour of splitting Dublin or the All Ireland championship will become like the Leinster championship- a slanted one horse race where people outside of Dublin are rapidly losing interest.

Dublin's success isn't down to a golden generation- new players are being blooded all the time. The necessary structures are there for basically endless Dublin dominance.

Win or lose in the replay, they should be split for the good of the game all over the country, including in Dublin.

Fann Linn

Dublin masters into the final.
Split Dublin into individual eircodes.
For the good of the game.

gaffer91

Fann Linn wrote: »

Dublin masters into the final.
Split Dublin into individual eircodes.
For the good of the game.

Four teams would be fine. There probably would be a little complaining to begin with and some Dublin supporters may even threaten to stop attending inter-county games. But most supporters would quickly row in behind their new teams and I can see the Dublin derbies being hotly anticipated events.

salmocab

gaffer91 wrote: »

Four teams would be fine. There probably would be a little complaining to begin with and some Dublin supporters may even threaten to stop attending inter-county games. But most supporters would quickly row in behind their new teams and I can see the Dublin derbies being hotly anticipated events.

I really don’t think they would, this is just something people are trotting out. It would kill intercounty dead, I doubt even the players would be that interested. Nobody grows up dreaming of playing for their local council area.

Bonniedog

It's not going to happen.

Why not just ban Dublin?

And don't try and pretend you are "thinking of the children." You hate Dublin GAA and probably just the idea of Dublin.

That's okay. Embrace it.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I don't think splitting Dublin is an option. It would be a logistical nightmare. Maybe it could happen in the long term but it's not going to fix anything soon.

gaffer91

Bonniedog wrote: »

It's not going to happen.

Why not just ban Dublin?

And don't try and pretend you are "thinking of the children." You hate Dublin GAA and probably just the idea of Dublin.

That's okay. Embrace it.

Splitting Dublin would absolutely be of benefit to the GAA in Dublin (more players getting from Dublin getting to challenge for Sam Maguire, a more competitive inter-county game that wouldn't be killed dead from lack of interest owing to the one-sided nature of it) but I would be in favour of it more for the benefit of the game as a whole rather than the advantages that would accrue to Dublin- God knows they have enough of them already!

While Dublin is a sub-par city, I don't hate Dublin GAA, I don't hate Dubs and I'm not exactly sure what you mean "the idea of Dublin".

aodomhnaill

gaffer91 wrote: »

Splitting Dublin would absolutely be of benefit to the GAA in Dublin (more players getting from Dublin getting to challenge for Sam Maguire, a more competitive inter-county game that wouldn't be killed dead from lack of interest owing to the one-sided nature of it) but I would be in favour of it more for the benefit of the game as a whole rather than the advantages that would accrue to Dublin- God knows they have enough of them already!

While Dublin is a sub-par city, I don't hate Dublin GAA, I don't hate Dubs and I'm not exactly sure what you mean "the idea of Dublin".

oooh, feisty. sub-par in what way? architecture? food? culture? brazzers you've had a spin on? give us specifics.

gaffer91

aodomhnaill wrote: »

oooh, feisty. sub-par in what way? architecture? food? culture? brazzers you've had a spin on? give us specifics.

Well if you're asking, I'd say housing costs given the relatively small size of the place, poor public transport, high levels of homelessness and gangland crime (I accept crime is a problem in many other cities).

Strumms

It won’t be split, Dublin won’t allow it. If Dublin pulled out of the Inter county Championship and the All Ireland club championship the sport would die a death...it’s what I’d advocate them to do the second the issue is put on the table for discussion.

gaffer91

Strumms wrote: »

It won’t be split, Dublin won’t allow it. If Dublin pulled out of the Inter county Championship and the All Ireland club championship the sport would die a death...it’s what I’d advocate them to do the second the issue is put on the table for discussion.

That would be very unfair on GAA players and members in Dublin.

Regardless, the sport could survive without Dublin, although they'd be a loss, like any county.

What will actually cause the sport to die a death, at least at inter-county level, is for Dublin's unfair advantages and dominance to continue unchecked.

Edgware

You could split Dublin using the Liffey as a divider but then in a few years when Kerry start winning again do you divide Kerry? Why not divide Kilkenny Tipperary etc?
Population and playing numbers is what matters. Teams like Cavan Roscommon Offaly will never win All Ireland Senior titles when they have to compete with counties of far bigger populations

gaffer91

Edgware wrote: »

You could split Dublin using the Liffey as a divider but then in a few years when Kerry start winning again do you divide Kerry? Why not divide Kilkenny Tipperary etc?
Population and playing numbers is what matters. Teams like Cavan Roscommon Offaly will never win All Ireland Senior titles when they have to compete with counties of far bigger populations

As has been pointed out many, many times already- the reason Dublin should be split is because they have unfair advantages, not because they are winning more.

Even if they somehow lose this and the next 4 All-Irelands, they should still be split.

Strumms

gaffer91 wrote: »

That would be very unfair on GAA players and members in Dublin.

Regardless, the sport could survive without Dublin, although they'd be a loss, like any county.

What will actually cause the sport to die a death, at least at inter-county level, is for Dublin's unfair advantages and dominance to continue unchecked.

It would survive but in rank shape.

There are no unfair advantages, and their dominance is earned through hard work, honesty, excellent nurturing of talent and a passion for the sport and being successful.

Tomorrow I’ll no doubt bump into a couple of them in the gym I attend, a well renowned sporting center of excellence where you have all Ireland winners lined up on treadmills beside Joe soaps like me, then Olympic athletes, then people recovering from ill health... every facet of life, from every corner of Ireland..but let’s keep going with the myth of bs....that money over talent is enabling success, right :pac:

Strumms

Edgware wrote: »

You could split Dublin using the Liffey as a divider but then in a few years when Kerry start winning again do you divide Kerry? Why not divide Kilkenny Tipperary etc?
Population and playing numbers is what matters. Teams like Cavan Roscommon Offaly will never win All Ireland Senior titles when they have to compete with counties of far bigger populations

I agree, but be careful, the truth as set out by you in detailed eloquence is not feeding the anti Dublin bias that is attempting to prevail.

gaffer91

Strumms wrote: »

It would survive but in rank shape.

There are no unfair advantages, and their dominance is earned through hard work, honesty, excellent nurturing of talent and a passion for the sport and being successful.

Tomorrow I’ll no doubt bump into a couple of them in the gym I attend, a well renowned sporting center of excellence where you have all Ireland winners lined up on treadmills beside Joe soaps like me, then Olympic athletes, then people recovering from ill health... every facet of life, from every corner of Ireland..but let’s keep going with the myth of bs....that money over talent is enabling success, right :pac:

There are many unfair advantages and they've been detailed in this thread (and others) in some detail. I'm actually amazed somehow could be so blinkered as to not see them? They include funding, population, home stadium advantage among others.

The players are talented, but the money helps to find and develop them significantly more than would otherwise be possible.

Money matters in sport.

TrueGael

Edgware wrote: »

You could split Dublin using the Liffey as a divider but then in a few years when Kerry start winning again do you divide Kerry? Why not divide Kilkenny Tipperary etc?
Population and playing numbers is what matters. Teams like Cavan Roscommon Offaly will never win All Ireland Senior titles when they have to compete with counties of far bigger populations

Those 3 counties have earned everything they have won organically

Bonniedog

So if GAA would survive without Dublin, would it survive without Kilkenny or Tipp or Kerry?

gaffer91

Bonniedog wrote: »

So if GAA would survive without Dublin, would it survive without Kilkenny or Tipp or Kerry?

Again, any county would be a loss but these kind of questions are irrelevant to this thread. This is why things go off on tangents so frequently.

Dublin are unfairly advantaged because of their unfair funding, population and other advantages. They win more games and titles because of these advantages than they would without them. That's what has been proven on this thread and others.

I believe that these advantages are so entrenched now that the only way to deal with it at inter-county level is to split Dublin. Despite what the pessimists and naysayers may say, I don't believe this would be the death knell for Gaelic Football in the county or country- it would actually enhance the game massively.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

A lot of those defending Dublin seem to believe we are all just really stupid and believe money makes people fit and skilled without doing drills or going to the gym. Literally nobody is saying that.

Bonniedog

As said before, if current state policy continues, Dublin will become some dystopian city.

You called it a "sub par city." Well, it wasn't always. We have a proud tradition in all aspects of Irish life. Ironically the football team and Dublin GAA which you also want to destroy is one of few surviving salient against the destruction of the city.

You'll probably enjoy that before it lands on your door step.

I won't be around so will just savour it while it lasts,

MayoAreMagic

Strumms wrote: »

It won’t be split, Dublin won’t allow it. If Dublin pulled out of the Inter county Championship and the All Ireland club championship the sport would die a death...it’s what I’d advocate them to do the second the issue is put on the table for discussion.

Dublin dont get to dictate to the rest Im afraid. If push came to shove, Dublin have one vote, the same as everyone else, so that kind of talk is foolish and also not how the thing would actually play out.
As for dying a death, it already is dying a death. You lads might be too drunk on this quest for a 5 in a row to realise what is actually going on. When the dust settles and you will start to see the bigger picture. I dont believe this thing where people say it would be functionally hard to split dublin. What would be hard about it? Split the clubs geographically in two equal halfs. Appoint a manager. That is basically it...

Bonniedog

You would think Sunday never happened reading some of this OCD stuff.

Seriously.

If you'd seen Tipp and Cork classic games in the 50s you'd probably have spent games scribbling stuff in your programme about where the linesman's sister worked, or how Christy took too many steps, or how Tony Wall was allowed a few days off by the army.

You evidently take no joy in it all - which is the point - not even in your own county's heroics.

You're like the boy who ran away from the circus to become an accountant.

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Dublin dont get to dictate to the rest Im afraid. If push came to shove, Dublin have one vote, the same as everyone else, so that kind of talk is foolish and also not how the thing would actually play out.
As for dying a death, it already is dying a death. You lads might be too drunk on this quest for a 5 in a row to realise what is actually going on. When the dust settles and you will start to see the bigger picture. I dont believe this thing where people say it would be functionally hard to split dublin. What would be hard about it? Split the clubs geographically in two equal halfs. Appoint a manager. That is basically it...

Ye can't even get organised to get Dublin outta Croker for the Leinster Championship or Super 8s.
And yes, Dublin does only have 1 vote.

MayoAreMagic

Bonniedog wrote: »

You would think Sunday never happened reading some of this OCD stuff.

Seriously.

If you'd seen Tipp and Cork classic games in the 50s you'd probably have spent games scribbling stuff in your programme about where the linesman's sister worked, or how Christy took too many steps, or how Tony Wall was allowed a few days off by the army.

You evidently take no joy in it all - which is the point - not even in your own county's heroics.

You're like the boy who ran away from the circus to become an accountant.

Yes, because almost losing but then drawing one championship game in the last 5 years, with some established players never having lost a championship game in the jersey, and of course all the advantages stuff goes by the wayside...
Hard to fathom that this is what you expect people to buy...

MayoAreMagic

Fann Linn wrote: »

Ye can't even get organised to get Dublin outta Croker for the Leinster Championship or Super 8s.
And yes, Dublin does only have 1 vote.

Aided and abetted by cp bigwigs trying to maintain the status quo. It was a step in that direction though. The next one might not fail, or stop.

Fann Linn

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Aided and abetted by cp bigwigs trying to maintain the status quo. It was a step in that direction though. The next one might not fail, or stop.

Not a hope in hell will such a motion ever be heard at Congress.
Now sweet dreams.

Tis a change to see a Mayo man in good form the Tuesday after an All Ireland!