The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Dick Turnip

awaywithyou wrote: »

no there wont... Dublin won in 16 or 17 without mccaffrey.. they also won in 2011 without him... played sec half of last years all-ireland replay without him as well... Brogans were good but not as influential as the 4 ive mentioned... Connolly wasnt there in 18.. sub last year so again not a critical player for them...

the 4 ive mentioned are massive players for dublin... Dublin havent lost since Fenton emerged.. says it all really

That's not the gotcha you think it is, in fact it backs up my point more so. McCaffrey won Player Of The Year in 2015. He skipped the 2016 campaign. Didn't make a difference to Dublin.

Brogans were both Player Of The Year, they were better than the above average you're making them out to be.

Again Connolly is one of the most gifted players of the last 30 years, and he was a bit part player for a couple of years before retiring.

There's 3 POTY and a 4th who was actually one of the best of his generation, and they were all seamlessly replaced.

It's amazing, it's the mark of a great team/system but you can't deny that these players were key men for years and then replaced without any drop in form to the team.

ooter

I keep reading and hearing that people are losing interest in Gaelic football but if you just take this forum for example, there'an all Ireland hurling final happening this weekend but there are still more people talking about football on here than hurling.

Dick Turnip

ooter wrote: »

He's 1 game away from equaling the 5 animals on 8 all Irelands and could be 1 year away from winning 9, that would certainly drive me on.

Ah, very good point. Yeah, I'd be sticking around for that! And then if he's on 9, he may aswell go for two more to beat King Henry! Certainly possible as a goalie.

Enquiring

crossman47 wrote: »

When I think about it, Dublin are similar to Celtic in Scotland. They have huge advantages and can only be stopped by their own gross mismanagement, as has happened to Celtic this year.

To be really similar to Dublin, Celtic would have to perform slightly below par for the next couple of years and then the Scottish FA would have to pump millions into Celtic's underage structures to help them out as Celtic are very important to soccer in Scotland.

It really is outrageous that this was allowed to happen in the GAA when you think of the level of it.

Jaden

Enquiring wrote: »

I know, it's hard to keep up with all the lies and myths peddled in defence of the funding. One of them was that the money was just for primary school students. You'll need to have a discussion with the people peddling the lie.

If you can show where the scope GDF was intended to be limited to just Primary Schools, please provide it.

Similarly, if you can provide evidence that GDOs scope of activity was/is supposed to be limited to U12, please provide it.

Dick Turnip

ooter wrote: »

I keep reading and hearing that people are losing interest in Gaelic football but if you just take this forum for example, there'an all Ireland hurling final happening this weekend but there are still more people talking about football on here than hurling.

All relative though. This debate is about the bigger picture, nobody's analysing the two semis or indeed the upcoming final really. This debate (not just here but on radio/twitter etc) has definitely raged for a few weeks now.

You just need to looking at falling attendances in recent years to get worried. Leinster championship matches have fallen away dramatically in terms of attendances.

Enquiring

Jaden wrote: »

If you can show where the scope GDF was intended to be limited to just Primary Schools, please provide it.

Similarly, if you can provide evidence that GDOs scope of activity was/is supposed to be limited to U12, please provide it.

You'll need to read my post again. The development funding was just for primary school children was a lie put forward by some people trying to defend the huge amount of funding Dublin received. I never stated it as clearly it's another ridiculous myth peddled in defence of the indefensible.

Dick Turnip

Enquiring wrote: »

To be really similar to Dublin, Celtic would have to perform slightly below par for the next couple of years and then the Scottish FA would have to pump millions into Celtic's underage structures to help them out as Celtic are very important to soccer in Scotland.

It really is outrageous that this was allowed to happen in the GAA when you think of the level of it.

I don't buy this either though. I totally get the reasons why. Do you value the intercounty game above all else? Or do you think there's merit in the club game and underage? GAA people take great pride in the fact that the GAA club is the focal point in so many communities around the country. Is it not a good thing that GAA clubs in our capital city are now thriving in large parts of the city that they previously weren't?

I was coming back from a parkrun in Marlay Park last year and there were numerous pitches side by side filled with kids training for I presume Ballinteer St.John's. It might be scary for the knock on effects for the county team - but is it not good that so many kids are enjoying our native games?

Yes, the funding tap needs to be turned off, Dublin and these clubs do not need it compared to others now but I do think that it's a great thing that there's so many thriving well run GAA clubs in the city these days.

And to nail my colours to the mast here - I live in Dublin but not from here. Was shouting for them in the 2011 final and have shouted for the other team in every final since :pac:

ooter

Attendances probably are dropping off, but are they any worse than attendances at Leinster hurling championship matches?
Pretty similar attendances at last year's hurling and football finals anyway.

Dick Turnip

ooter wrote: »

Attendances probably are dropping off, but are they any worse than attendances at Leinster hurling championship matches?
Pretty similar attendances at last year's hurling and football finals anyway.

Yeah, but football has always been more widely supported. The trend in football attendances year on year is more telling than football vs hurling attendances I feel.

kilns

Enquiring wrote: »

Are you talking to yourself?

answer the question

Enquiring

Dick Turnip wrote: »

I don't buy this either though. I totally get the reasons why. Do you value the intercounty game above all else? Or do you think there's merit in the club game and underage? GAA people take great pride in the fact that the GAA club is the focal point in so many communities around the country. Is it not a good thing that GAA clubs in our capital city are now thriving in large parts of the city that they previously weren't?

I was coming back from a parkrun in Marlay Park last year and there were numerous pitches side by side filled with kids training for I presume Ballinteer St.John's. It might be scary for the knock on effects for the county team - but is it not good that so many kids are enjoying our native games?

Yes, the funding tap needs to be turned off, Dublin and these clubs do not need it compared to others now but I do think that it's a great thing that there's so many thriving well run GAA clubs in the city these days.

And to nail my colours to the mast here - I live in Dublin but not from here. Was shouting for them in the 2011 final and have shouted for the other team in every final since :pac:

That's the thing. It's not that Dublin received this funding that's a disgrace, it's that's they received it while no one else did. Gaelic games gaining popularity in our capital is a great thing. Why wasnt this replicated across the country?

I know the excuse that comes next so let me answer that. Every single other county has other sports competing with GAA. It's not just a Dublin issue. Also, there are counties in a far worse situation in terms of player numbers.

Some counties in Ulster have about half their population not involved in the GAA in any way. They had just come out of a 30 year war when this funding was granted to Dublin, they would have been far more deserving of the assistance.

It's clear it was focused on Dublin as financial gain was the ultimate goal. As Séan Kelly said at the time, Dublin is not a problem, it's an opportunity. And fair play to the GAA, their investment paid off. But look at where it's left us. You can't just bankroll one county above all others and have fair competitions. Across the board Dublin have cleaned up, from club competitions to womens senior football. It just can't be let continue.

kilns

TheDalioLama wrote: »

Even assuming the metric you are using regarding development funding for Dublin from 2017 forward is correct, and they are now middle of the pack in this regard, what about the preceding 15 years? That's a huge span of time to disproportionately fund one county and the benefits are clear to see.

Wow new account, hello

Yes, the point is you have some screaming to defund the Dubs, when in fact it happened in 2017 and funding has increased to other counties, I just dont understand how people cant get that or they are unwilling to accept it.

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

answer the question

If you don't have an answer then fair enough. Please don't clog up the thread.

ooter

1 Leinster and 1 league in donkey's years would suggest Dublin certainly have not cleaned up across the board.

kilns

Enquiring wrote: »

That's the thing. It's not that Dublin received this funding that's a disgrace, it's that's they received it while no one else did. Gaelic games gaining popularity in our capital is a great thing. Why wasnt this replicated across the country?

I know the excuse that comes next so let me answer that. Every single other county has other sports competing with GAA. It's not just a Dublin issue. Also, there are counties in a far worse situation in terms of player numbers.

Some counties in Ulster have about half their population not involved in the GAA in any way. They had just come out of a 30 year war when this funding was granted to Dublin, they would have been far more deserving of the assistance.

It's clear it was focused on Dublin as financial gain was the ultimate goal. As Séan Kelly said at the time, Dublin is not a problem, it's an opportunity. And fair play to the GAA, their investment paid off. But look at where it's left us. You can't just bankroll one county above all others and have fair competitions. Across the board Dublin have cleaned up, from club competitions to womens senior football. It just can't be let continue.

You are like a Donald Trump press secretary at this stage. Dublin received every bit of funding and nobody else received a dot - a lie to start with

and answer the question, do you concede that since 2017 it has been address and Dublin is now middle of the pack in terms of games development funding

Dick Turnip

Yeah, no doubt the funding needs to stop.

I personally would love if they could have a concerted focus on hurling in the following counties - Antrim, Down, Westmeath, Offaly, Laois & Carlow and see if they can bridge the gap to the next level, there's strong hurling tradition in parts of each of them.

kilns

Enquiring wrote: »

If you don't have an answer then fair enough. Please don't clog up the thread.

your refusal to answer the simple question speaks volumes

you are ether just a wind up troll and have a hatred for all things Dublin that it blinds your judgement

Ash.J.Williams

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why don't they dominate in hurling too or at least reach semi final stage

hurling is harder

The_Kew_Tour

Yes I’m liking this idea of just putting more funding into hurling.

Yes, yes indeed

Dublin can win football every year but we get few more counties with tradition back again playing hurling and make it a super competition. It already is great so can make it better.

That’s that sorted.

Yes, I am serious.

StupidLikeAFox

kilns wrote: »

Wow new account, hello

Yes, the point is you have some screaming to defund the Dubs, when in fact it happened in 2017 and funding has increased to other counties, I just dont understand how people cant get that or they are unwilling to accept it.

Do you have a source for this? Can't find anything to suggest that the Dublin are mid table in the funding stakes

dunnerc

kilns wrote: »

your refusal to answer the simple question speaks volumes

you are ether just a wind up troll and have a hatred for all things Dublin that it blinds your judgement

He is both

dunnerc

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

hurling is harder

Is it really ?

Enquiring

ooter wrote: »

1 Leinster and 1 league in donkey's years would suggest Dublin certainly have not cleaned up across the board.

As I've said, that is hugely embarrassing for Dublin but compared to where they were, that's a huge improvement.

ooter

6 different counties have won hurling all Irelands this century, 7 in football. That wouldn't suggest that 1 is harder to win than the other.
If the Dublin senior hurling team has been financially doped in recent years it has been a massive failure.
No wonder the GAA have cut it since 2017.

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

You are like a Donald Trump press secretary at this stage. Dublin received every bit of funding and nobody else received a dot - a lie to start with

and answer the question, do you concede that since 2017 it has been address and Dublin is now middle of the pack in terms of games development funding

Dublin were receiving 1.6 million while others were getting 7,500 for some years. This program originating with the sports council grant was a Dublin only program.

No matter how much you want to erase history, the 2 decades of funding disparity cannot be ignored.

Enquiring

Dick Turnip wrote: »

Yeah, no doubt the funding needs to stop.

I personally would love if they could have a concerted focus on hurling in the following counties - Antrim, Down, Westmeath, Offaly, Laois & Carlow and see if they can bridge the gap to the next level, there's strong hurling tradition in parts of each of them.

Oh they gave some of those counties a grant alright. 1 million to share out between them.

It's too late for just stopping the games development funding. The increased sponsorship etc off the back of the games development funding means that Dublin dont need it anymore. Even though they still take 1.3 million every year.

Dick Turnip

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes I’m liking this idea of just putting more funding into hurling.

Yes, yes indeed

Dublin can win football every year but we get few more counties with tradition back again playing hurling and make it a super competition. It already is great so can make it better.

That’s that sorted.

Yes, I am serious.

Is that aimed at me? No need for the sarky comment. I said I'd love if hurling was invested in specifically. I never said leave football the way it is, focus on hurling instead. It wasn't an either/or suggestion.

Enquiring

kilns wrote: »

your refusal to answer the simple question speaks volumes

you are ether just a wind up troll and have a hatred for all things Dublin that it blinds your judgement

I answer all relevant questions. I don't get bogged down in whataboutery. That not one Dub has come up with a reasonable defence of the funding disparity is what actually speaks volumes.

kilns

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Do you have a source for this? Can't find anything to suggest that the Dublin are mid table in the funding stakes

The spreadsheet was posted on this forum previously for 2017 showing funding and broken down as per the census for children aged 5 -14. Per head of child Dublin was mid table