NBP part II

Ultimanemo

rayfitzharris wrote: »

And before the "blame WiFi" gang arrives, Here's the uncontended picture taken a few hours later, same network/distance from ap/phone etc..

Same here, if I took the speed test before 6 am it could reach above 200

clohamon

Marlow wrote: »

I was actually surprised to see that submission, as not all ISPs in that list have submitted individually. But the data is rather conservative and only deals with existing coverage within the parameters of NGA compliant coverage.

Especially because premises with near line of sight have not been taken into consideration and the radius of coverage is also a lot smaller, than what usually is covered.

/M

Have any of the replies from the Department emerged yet? Interesting to see if all WISP submissions (except Imagine) were rejected on the same grounds or whether a detailed analysis of each submission was supplied.

Mortelaro

rayfitzharris wrote: »

And before the "blame WiFi" gang arrives, Here's the uncontended picture taken a few hours later, same network/distance from ap/phone etc..

It's still not your real imagine speed at that time with that weak a wifi signal

rayfitzharris

Mortelaro wrote: »

It's still not your real imagine speed at that time with that weak a wifi signal

*Posts crap imagine speed tests at evenings and weekends
--> must be the WiFi

*Posts crap imagine speed tests in evening AND
amazing imagine speed tests in the dead of night
--> must be the WiFi

Lol, can't win em all!

Look, I understand WiFi can be a factor in some situations and when troubleshooting.
But I'm way past that, I have a folder full of wired screen shots and a retarded thread with first and second line support where they insisted on swapping out every cable and piece of equipment possible, all the while pretending like my amazing dead of night and middle of the day speeds tests were some sort of gift from the wisp fairies.

It ended up in a strange standoff where they were clearly and concertedly trying the "exasperate the customer till he pisses off" aproach, all the while avoiding the dirty word "contention" untill finally weeks later some equally exasperated engineer, shrugs his shoulders and says, "ah shur, you know, it's always busier in the evenings.." and there it was; contention in all but name.

Ultimanemo

rayfitzharris wrote: »

*Posts crap imagine speed tests at evenings and weekends
--> must be the WiFi

*Posts crap imagine speed tests in evening AND
amazing imagine speed tests in the dead of night
--> must be the WiFi

Lol, can't win em all!

Look, I understand WiFi can be a factor in some situations and when troubleshooting.
But I'm way past that, I have a folder full of wired screen shots and a retarded thread with first and second line support where they insisted on swapping out every cable and piece of equipment possible, all the while pretending like my amazing dead of night and middle of the day speeds tests were some sort of gift from the wisp fairies.

It ended up in a strange standoff where they were clearly and concertedly trying the "exasperate the customer till he pisses off" aproach, all the while avoiding the dirty word "contention" untill finally weeks later some equally exasperated engineer, shrugs his shoulders and says, "ah shur, you know, it's always busier in the evenings.." and there it was; contention in all but name.

This is direct cable connection with no Internet activity, one test done

rodge123

rayfitzharris wrote: »

*Posts crap imagine speed tests at evenings and weekends
--> must be the WiFi

*Posts crap imagine speed tests in evening AND
amazing imagine speed tests in the dead of night
--> must be the WiFi

Lol, can't win em all!

Look, I understand WiFi can be a factor in some situations and when troubleshooting.
But I'm way past that, I have a folder full of wired screen shots and a retarded thread with first and second line support where they insisted on swapping out every cable and piece of equipment possible, all the while pretending like my amazing dead of night and middle of the day speeds tests were some sort of gift from the wisp fairies.

It ended up in a strange standoff where they were clearly and concertedly trying the "exasperate the customer till he pisses off" aproach, all the while avoiding the dirty word "contention" untill finally weeks later some equally exasperated engineer, shrugs his shoulders and says, "ah shur, you know, it's always busier in the evenings.." and there it was; contention in all but name.

Had similar experience with their engineers and it worked, I just don’t bother dealing with them anymore...it’s exhausting. Imagine is my only option so just put up with it and will be dropping them like a hot potato when NBP gets to me, for life..won’t touch them ever again for any service regardless of price or claimed improvements in service.

scunermac

"In the coming weeks, NBI will publish a map detailing each individual premises included in the rollout, including an indicative timeline for service delivery."

This has been on the NBI website since the contract was signed. I knew it was unrealistic considering the surveys etc still needed to take place, but still annoys me that they said 'weeks'.

Any sign of an update on the indicative timeline any time soon do we think?

recyclebin

scunermac wrote: »

"In the coming weeks, NBI will publish a map detailing each individual premises included in the rollout, including an indicative timeline for service delivery."

This has been on the NBI website since the contract was signed. I knew it was unrealistic considering the surveys etc still needed to take place, but still annoys me that they said 'weeks'.

Any sign of an update on the indicative timeline any time soon do we think?

Yes, saw that too. They should have said months instead. When I see weeks mentioned somewhere I usually think it's up to a maximum of 8-12 weeks. Anything longer needs to be referred to in months.

allanpkr

recyclebin wrote: »

Yes, saw that too. They should have said months instead. When I see weeks mentioned somewhere I usually think it's up to a maximum of 8-12 weeks. Anything longer needs to be referred to in months.

when was contract signed??

recyclebin

allanpkr wrote: »

when was contract signed??

19 November 2019, feels like longer, but we were waiting so long for it to be signed that it's all a blur.

allanpkr

recyclebin wrote: »

19 November 2019, feels like longer, but we were waiting so long for it to be signed that it's all a blur.

know what you mean ...lol.

clohamon

recyclebin wrote: »

Yes, saw that too. They should have said months instead. When I see weeks mentioned somewhere I usually think it's up to a maximum of 8-12 weeks. Anything longer needs to be referred to in months.

Yes, spot on. As a general rule it's two times the next highest time category.

So,

“in the coming days” means possibly less than 2 weeks
“in the coming weeks” means possibly less than 2 months
“in the coming months” means possibly less than 2 years
(n.b. - double all quantities for the NBP)

Other terms:
“soon”, “presently”, “shortly” - should all be ignored.
“in due course” is a rebuke (i.e. it’s not your business, you’ll be told when they’re good and ready, and don’t ask again)
“as you are aware” and “as you will know” are also rebukes or alternatively introduce a long paragraph of flannel.

“in line with” means ‘vaguely similar to’
“broadly in line with” means ‘completely contrary to’

clohamon

I don't think there's anything new in this, but for the record...
https://twitter.com/peterodwyer1/status/1213763917404688384

heavydawson

clohamon wrote: »

I don't think there's anything new in this, but for the record...
https://twitter.com/peterodwyer1/status/1213763917404688384

Here's the text:

David McCourt’s National Broadband Ireland could be permitted to access hundreds of millions of euro of taxpayers’ money if inflation rises faster than the internet provider has estimated or other costs are higher than anticipated, it has emerged.

McCourt’s company signed a contract with the government for the state’s multi-billion euro National Broadband Plan last November, after a protracted procurement process, during which the cost of the project soared.

Documentation published by the European Commission in December, setting out its rationale for approving the plan under state aid law, provided a further breakdown of a €480 million contingency fund included in the final maximum cost of the €6 billion plan.

The €480 million “conditional subsidy” includes €380 million to cover higher than anticipated costs “above [NBI’s] base case assumption” that may be incurred over the duration of the contract.

Among the costs that the fund could be used to cover for NBI are higher than expected labour inflation or higher than forecast fibre material costs, according to the Commission.

A spokesman for the Department of Communications said the contingency could only be drawn down in 14 specific circumstances both during the rollout of the network and for the remainder of the contract.

“This fund can only be sought by NBI where additional, unanticipated costs have been proven to have occurred for the specific circumstances prescribed. The contingency is capped at €380 million, excluding Vat, with caps for specific categories, or groups of categories and with the risk of additional costs resting with NBI,” he said.

The contract contained “very detailed provisions” governing the conditions under which the fund could be accessed, he added.

“The categories are primarily construction-related, for example, relating to the state or condition of existing infrastructure in the intervention area, which will only be fully established when on-site surveys are conducted by NBI.”

The Department said the amount of subsidy per category and the specific terms and conditions under which NBI could seek access to the contingency fund were commercially sensitive.

An additional €100 million has been set aside to compensate NBI should other operators “encroach” into the plan’s intervention area by providing high-speed broadband to any of the almost 540,000 premises set to be covered by the NBP.

According to the Commission, the “majority” of the state aid will be paid out between 2019 and 2029 with the balance to be transferred to NBI over the duration of the 25-year contract.

The NBP contract also includes a number of clawback mechanisms which the government has said will ensure value for money for the taxpayer. For example, under the terms of the deal, the state will claw back 100 per cent of any savings achieved by NBI from the procurement of key materials such as fibre cable and subcontractors.

Yup, pretty sure this was all public domain before the article

fergus1001

heavydawson wrote:

Yup, pretty sure this was all public domain before the article

it was, it's done, get shovels into the ground

Gary kk

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/brendan-howlin-calls-for-seriously-dodgy-national-broadband-plan-to-be-scrapped-973919.html

The Cush

Gary kk wrote: »

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/brendan-howlin-calls-for-seriously-dodgy-national-broadband-plan-to-be-scrapped-973919.html

If that remains Labour's position at election time, they won't be getting votes here.

Jamie X

Brendan Who ?

The high horse brigade

Gary kk wrote: »

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/brendan-howlin-calls-for-seriously-dodgy-national-broadband-plan-to-be-scrapped-973919.html

FFS. They've short memories. The plan was started by Pat Rabbite

recyclebin

He may as well be Howlin at the moon cause no one will listen to him and his Labour policies.

allanpkr

small man syndrome

clohamon

Looks like NI Department of Economy are trying to finesse their BB State Aid application through the NGA channel and, like DCCAE, hope they end up with a fibre solution.
https://t.co/fJBg0XKBrO

A recent shift in UK Government policy indicates that fibre led interventions are demonstrating better value for money for new public investment, and the majority of premises in the Project Stratum intervention area are likely to benefit from this policy shift. Under the Future Telecoms Infrastructure Review, the UK Government’s ambition is to have full fibre coverage across the UK by 2033 or sooner. However, State Aid rules require the Department to remain technology neutral within any procurement, hence we will be seeking to procure those solutions through NGA broadband technologies.

..btw their mapping methodology seems to have been designed by BT.
https://www.economy-ni.gov.uk/consultations/extending-broadband-across-northern-ireland-project-stratum

allanpkr

you have only to look at ces 2020 and you will see the future for world can only be ftth

Gonzo

anyone know how much of Northern Ireland currently has FTTH compared to here? I presume parts of Belfast and Derry already have FTTH?

clohamon

Gonzo wrote: »

anyone know how much of Northern Ireland currently has FTTH compared to here? I presume parts of Belfast and Derry already have FTTH?

25%, according to ISP Review via Ofcom
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/09/ofcom-10mb-broadband-uso-gap-shrinks-to-578000-uk-premises.html

Gonzo

clohamon wrote: »

25%, according to ISP Review via Ofcom
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/09/ofcom-10mb-broadband-uso-gap-shrinks-to-578000-uk-premises.html

looks like Northern Ireland is leading the UK with full fibre services, they are probably way ahead of us too.

kazoo106

Go outside of Belfast or Derry and that is not the case - there is some very very scattered FTTH of which you can only buy from BT and select few others.
The money being allocated, less than £200m, has been acknowledged to go nowhere near what is required and unlike down here, they have admitted that wireless operators have a role to fill in this project, with wireless served homes of 30M+ being taken out of the intervention area.

Orebro

kazoo106 wrote: »

they have admitted that wireless operators have a role to fill in this project, with wireless served homes of 30M+ being taken out of the intervention area.

That's going to come back to bite them, so glad we didn't fall into that trap.

allanpkr

Orebro wrote: »

That's going to come back to bite them, so glad we didn't fall into that trap.

totally agree, a few yrs and not many unless single occupation that wont be enough. although i question wording " admitted" as if a mistake was made down here?

kazoo106

lets change the word to acknowledged so as no ingerence is assumed !