ISPs to block Illegal Streaming of UK Premiership games [READ POST #3 BEFORE POSTING]

Johnboy1951

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/court-orders-block-on-illegal-streaming-of-english-football-matches-1.3957365

People who illegally stream live English Premier League football matches will find the service blocked when the season kicks off next month following a court order.

In the Commercial Court on Monday, Football Association Premier League Ltd was granted Ireland’s first ever order compelling internet service providers (ISPs) to block live streaming of matches on computers, set top boxes and other devices

The order is against Eircom/Eir, Sky Ireland, Sky Subscriber Services, Virgin Media Ireland and Vodafone Ireland.

This seems to indicate the blocking will be on a source IP basis with the sources updated during the games.

The internet protocol (IP) addresses of the streaming hosts will be updated at least twice during match time so that the blocking can be enabled, Jonathan Newman SC, for the premier league company said. It will be possible to respond “within minutes” to the illegal streaming, he said.

I guess we will see how successful this will be over the next Premiership season.

settopbox

Mod: Deleted no discussing circumventing regional restrictions

icdg

The usual thread warning with this type of thread.

There can be discussion of the court order in general but the second anyone, like the poster above gets involved in advocating methods of illegally accessing FAPL content then they will be immediately banned and on the third occasion it happens I will take the view that this thread cannot continue.

Settopbox takes a warning and his post is being deleted. No further warnings will be issued, straight bans

The ONLY legal way of watching the FA Premier League in Ireland is via a paid subscription to Sky Sports, BT Sport or Premier Sports from a legitimate provider

galtee boy

If you haggle with Sky, they will do great deals. I renewed my Sports with them yesterday for €17 per month for 6 months, full HD etc, no worries about buffering, will the channel be there when you want it, will the provider be shut down etc. If Sky cop on and keep their prices reasonable and the clampdown on illegal boxes is intensified , I think the days of hooky boxes are numbered.

InTheShadows

galtee boy wrote: »

If you haggle with Sky, they will do great deals. I renewed my Sports with them yesterday for €17 per month for 6 months, full HD etc, no worries about buffering, will the channel be there when you want it, will the provider be shut down etc. If Sky cop on and keep their prices reasonable and the clampdown on illegal boxes is intensified , I think the days of hooky boxes are numbered.

I wouldn't pay them 7 euro a month tbh when it's a free easy work around (and no i'm not posting up how). Sky/BT imo got greedy and this brought about the current massive numbers of people with boxes or watching on laptops.

dulpit

InTheShadows wrote: »

I wouldn't pay them 7 euro a month tbh when it's a free easy work around (and no i'm not posting up how). Sky/BT imo got greedy and this brought about the current massive numbers of people with boxes or watching on laptops.

I don't buy food in shops, it's free and easy to steal instead... :rolleyes:

galtee boy

InTheShadows wrote: »

I wouldn't pay them 7 euro a month tbh when it's a free easy work around (and no i'm not posting up how). Sky/BT imo got greedy and this brought about the current massive numbers of people with boxes or watching on laptops.

While I don't disagree that Sky got greedy, what do you think is a fair and reasonable price for live televised sport, in HD, several channels to choose from, red button choices, Sky Go app for watching on the move etc etc ? People cant expect things for free, stuff has to be paid for , if you don't want it, fine don't pay for it, but don't steal it either and whether we like it or not, myself included, using "those" boxes is a form of stealing.

settopbox

The cost of sport on TV is a big factor in peoples decisions to look at alternatives.

ELM327

I wonder how successful it could be to block every streamed source at source.

PirateShampoo

ELM327 wrote: »

I wonder how successful it could be to block every streamed source at source.

It's impossible.

InTheShadows

dulpit wrote: »

I don't buy food in shops, it's free and easy to steal instead... :rolleyes:

Its not stealing. The person putting up the stream is stealing but all the public do is view it. If you went online and watched someone for instance robbing a car would you be responsible for the car being stolen?

rgmmg

I had Sky Sports and BT Sport on TV in the UK until last week. Got rid of both as never really got to watch it and, in all sincerity, I only have interest in watching Liverpool play.

ELM327

PirateShampoo wrote: »

It's impossible.

That was kind of what I was thinking

InTheShadows wrote: »

Its not stealing. The person putting up the stream is stealing but all the public do is view it. If you went online and watched someone for instance robbing a car would you be responsible for the car being stolen?

And that is why they are targeting the streamer and not the stream-ee

DVD-Lots

So will I be okay on Digiweb then? ;p

D14Rugby

sugarman wrote: »

Why not combat it with offering more reasonable prices?

My biggest gripe with Sky is the requirement to have a basic package in order to add the sports channels. Along with having to add HD as an extra.

I don't watch / care for any other channels, If it was €40 outright for the Sports channels Inc HD. Id probably pay it. But €80? Forget it lads.

I used to subscribe to just Setanta / BT pack for €99 a year. Twas brilliant value.

Then Eir came along and made a balls of it, jacking up the price something awful and now theyve lost BT to Sky.

I also subscribed to Eleven Sports last season before that went tits up, €60 was unreal value for the year.

The eir deal was grand for someone like me with eir mobile, just chrome cast it up to my TV off an old mobile whenever I want to watch a game. Now BT is gone its basically just there for LOI and Pro 14 and still not bad value

galtee boy

DVD-Lots wrote: »

So will I be okay on Digiweb then? ;p

What's Digiweb ?

SteM

galtee boy wrote: »

If you haggle with Sky, they will do great deals. I renewed my Sports with them yesterday for €17 per month for 6 months, full HD etc, no worries about buffering, will the channel be there when you want it, will the provider be shut down etc. If Sky cop on and keep their prices reasonable and the clampdown on illegal boxes is intensified , I think the days of hooky boxes are numbered.

I don't want to haggle for my TV sub every bloody year, I'm not in a bazaar in Tunisia. Just set a fair price and charge everyone that price. I won't want to hear from someone in work that they're paying half price for 12 months when I'm paying half price for 6 months. It just annoys me.

dulpit

sugarman wrote: »

Why not combat it with offering more reasonable prices?

My biggest gripe with Sky is the requirement to have a basic package in order to add the sports channels. Along with having to add HD as an extra.

I don't watch / care for any other channels, If it was €40 outright for the Sports channels Inc HD. Id probably pay it. But €80? Forget it lads.

I used to subscribe to just Setanta / BT pack for €99 a year. Twas brilliant value.

Then Eir came along and made a balls of it, jacking up the price something awful and now theyve lost BT to Sky.

I also subscribed to Eleven Sports last season before that went tits up, €60 was unreal value for the year.

Would Now TV be a viable alternative?

Rossi IRL

They need to make all games available to view.

I have sky and bt but sometimes the game I want to watch isn't on any TV channel.

I'll stream it if there is no other option.

icdg

Unfortunately the FA have taken a view that making all Premier League games available in England at 3pm on a Saturday will kill off the semi-pro/amateur game. That’s their call to make. They apparently feel that making all 3pms available in Ireland will make it too easy for UK venues to show those games.

Phileas Frog

This was in place in the UK last season. How effective was it?

SteM

When you look at NBC on the final day of the season and see how they spread out all of the games across their channels you realise what a poor service the UK/Ireland is getting for a premium price.

D14Rugby

icdg wrote: »

They apparently feel that making all 3pms available in Ireland will make it too easy for UK venues to show those games.

Don't think it's even that it's just broadcasters are just too lazy/cheap to bother splitting the Irish and UK rights up.

RocketRaccoon

When Sky or BT offer up the chance to watch every game then maybe more people will pay for it. As it stands, I can watch 99% of weekend games whereas others are stuck with just the sky/bt offerings.

galtee boy

SteM wrote: »

I don't want to haggle for my TV sub every bloody year, I'm not in a bazaar in Tunisia. Just set a fair price and charge everyone that price. I won't want to hear from someone in work that they're paying half price for 12 months when I'm paying half price for 6 months. It just annoys me.

So you just pay what the supplier asks for and say thanks very much ? Switching/haggling/threatening to leave a supplier etc is the way to reduce your bills, I do it every year with TV, Phone, Broadband, Electricity, Car and House Insurance etc and I always end up paying less than what the original asking price was. Everyone I know does it, that's domestic economics these days and Sky will bend over backwards more than most to hold on to you, because they know Pay tv is a luxury, not a necessary expense.

boccy23

Also a complete pain if you are using the other services for non-Premier League games at that time.

D14Rugby

Yeah to be honest at the moment in football terms I just want to watch the LOI which neither Sky or BT offer (yet he says in hope) and Celtic games which are available online mostly. If there's an EPL game on the TV its just a bonus so unless something is set up so I can watch any game on demand I'm unlikely to go out of my way to pay for it.

gerrybbadd

Sky have taken the piss for years with pricing, and they aren't really making moves to address the way people are now consuming content.

Of course, ways around this will be found almost immediately. I've never had much interest in these illegal streams anyhow, i've always found them to be poor and more hassle than they are worth

icdg

D14Rugby wrote: »

Don't think it's even that it's just broadcasters are just too lazy/cheap to bother splitting the Irish and UK rights up.

They have split them up. Indeed for the very first time in this new rights period, there will be different broadcasters showing the same games in the UK and Ireland (Premier Sports in Ireland, Prime Video in the UK).

The high horse brigade

Yeah I don't subscribe because I only want to see my team play, I've no interest in the other live games, I'm happy enough with notifications and then highlights on MOTD.

D14Rugby

icdg wrote: »

They have split them up. Indeed for the very first time in this new rights period, there will be different broadcasters showing the same games in the UK and Ireland (Premier Sports in Ireland, Prime Video in the UK).

Maybe I should have phrased that better, the broadcasters not the sellers are too lazy to split them, they just accept the loss of not showing games in Ireland instead of splitting their feed (for the most part, sky have had a few exceptions)

icdg

I’m confused on that one. It implies that it is the broadcasters decision not to show the other games in Ireland, and they could somehow, if they wanted to, show the games in Ireland but not the UK.

That isn’t the case.

In the UK and Ireland the Premier League, made available for purchase, separately for the the UK and for Ireland, seven packages of rights consisting of the same games in both countries. Four of the packages were acquired by Sky Sports in both the UK and Ireland, two of the packages were acquired by BT Sport in both the UK and Ireland, and one of the packages by Prime Video in the UK and Premier Sports for Ireland. The Premier League also offered one extra package for Ireland consisting of 33 Sat 3pm KOs and this package was acquired by Premier Sports.

There is no package consisting of the other 3pm KOs available for an Irish broadcaster to purchase. That is the Premier League’s decision.

It is all explained here:
http://www.premierleague.com/news/708008

I get the argument from a fan point of view that they would like to do a “follow my team” type of deal. But you have to realise that if the Premier League made that sort of package available it’s member clubs would instantly know exactly what percentage of the TV rights revenue is attributable to each club. And if that showed, for example, a disparity between the Top 6 and the rest of the league there’d be a clammer from the Top 6 for a “fairer” share of the rights money, with the likely threat of a European Super League being held over the rest of the league if they didn’t get their way.

dulpit

Would there ever be a scenario where the premier league sell access directly to customers? Similar to the likes of NFL Gamepass/etc... I assume as of right now, the amounts the broadcasters are paying is too high, but how sustainable is it long term?

icdg

I think it’s often forgotten over here that NFL GamePass is not available in the States; it’s equivilant Sunday Ticket blocks all games broadcast on TV in the viewer’s market. And is only available on one pay TV provider (DirectTV).

SteM

galtee boy wrote: »

So you just pay what the supplier asks for and say thanks very much ? Switching/haggling/threatening to leave a supplier etc is the way to reduce your bills, I do it every year with TV, Phone, Broadband, Electricity, Car and House Insurance etc and I always end up paying less than what the original asking price was. Everyone I know does it, that's domestic economics these days and Sky will bend over backwards more than most to hold on to you, because they know Pay tv is a luxury, not a necessary expense.

No, I just refuse to pay them and go elsewhere. No skin off my nose if they can't offer me the best price the first time around.

D14Rugby

icdg wrote: »

I’m confused on that one. It implies that it is the broadcasters decision not to show the other games in Ireland, and they could somehow, if they wanted to, show the games in Ireland but not the UK.

That isn’t the case.

In the UK and Ireland the Premier League, made available for purchase, separately for the the UK and for Ireland, seven packages of rights consisting of the same games in both countries. Four of the packages were acquired by Sky Sports in both the UK and Ireland, two of the packages were acquired by BT Sport in both the UK and Ireland, and one of the packages by Prime Video in the UK and Premier Sports for Ireland. The Premier League also offered one extra package for Ireland consisting of 33 Sat 3pm KOs and this package was acquired by Premier Sports.

There is no package consisting of the other 3pm KOs available for an Irish broadcaster to purchase. That is the Premier League’s decision.

It is all explained here:
http://www.premierleague.com/news/708008

I get the argument from a fan point of view that they would like to do a “follow my team” type of deal. But you have to realise that if the Premier League made that sort of package available it’s member clubs would instantly know exactly what percentage of the TV rights revenue is attributable to each club. And if that showed, for example, a disparity between the Top 6 and the rest of the league there’d be a clammer from the Top 6 for a “fairer” share of the rights money, with the likely threat of a European Super League being held over the rest of the league if they didn’t get their way.

Ah my bad, as you can tell don't follow premier league goings on too closely.

messinkiapina

Anyone know how successful were they in blocking these streams being accessed from the UK last season? Have they effectively killed it for most people or just shut down the ones every Joe Soap was accessing, like Mobdro?

SureYWouldntYa

So long as the proper way has easy access and is a fair price people will use the service

Look at the success of Netflix, it's so easy to pirate yet so many will still sign up to Netflix because it's the path of least resistance and a fair price especially when compared to Sky and the likes

There's no good reason other than greed that we can't have access to all 380 PL games a year by a monthly / yearly sub, and cut out the massive Sky costs who are doubling dipping with ad revenue as well as sub revenue

If PL football was €100 a year or €15 a month or something along them lines you'd have people in their droves, if I could have a castable app on my phone for it then it would be an absolute no brainer

c.p.w.g.w

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

So long as the proper way has easy access and is a fair price people will use the service

Look at the success of Netflix, it's so easy to pirate yet so many will still sign up to Netflix because it's the path of least resistance and a fair price especially when compared to Sky and the likes

There's no good reason other than greed that we can't have access to all 380 PL games a year by a monthly / yearly sub, and cut out the massive Sky costs who are doubling dipping with ad revenue as well as sub revenue

If PL football was €100 a year or €15 a month or something along them lines you'd have people in their droves, if I could have a castable app on my phone for it then it would be an absolute no brainer

They would probably make more money. Most people I know watch all sport illegally. They can't justify the money, especially since they really just want to watch there own team.

garra

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

So long as the proper way has easy access and is a fair price people will use the service

Look at the success of Netflix, it's so easy to pirate yet so many will still sign up to Netflix because it's the path of least resistance and a fair price especially when compared to Sky and the likes

There's no good reason other than greed that we can't have access to all 380 PL games a year by a monthly / yearly sub, and cut out the massive Sky costs who are doubling dipping with ad revenue as well as sub revenue

If PL football was €100 a year or €15 a month or something along them lines you'd have people in their droves, if I could have a castable app on my phone for it then it would be an absolute no brainer

Unfortunately there are enough eejits out there paying full whack for the Sky HD package etc, to make it commercially worthwhile for Sky / BT to protect this lucrative income through technical / legal means rather than do as you suggest.

If Netflix could get away with charging 40 quid a month and and risk losing 50% of customers to illegal streaming, they would do it too.

SureYWouldntYa

garra wrote: »

Unfortunately there are enough eejits out there paying full whack for the Sky HD package etc, to make it commercially worthwhile for Sky / BT to protect this lucrative income through technical / legal means rather than do as you suggest.

If Netflix could get away with charging 40 quid a month and and risk losing 50% of customers to illegal streaming, they would do it too.

You just reminded me of Sky's biggest scam, paying for HD

I believe it's tied in with box sets now at €16 a month or something like that, utterly ridiculous

It's short term gain for long term failure I hope, the whole bloody lot of it

mackersdublin

sugarman wrote: »

Not until they offer 1080p streams.

Testing has commenced https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2335971/nowtv-full-hd-testing/p1

ED E

messinkiapina wrote: »

Anyone know how successful were they in blocking these streams being accessed from the UK last season? Have they effectively killed it for most people or just shut down the ones every Joe Soap was accessing, like Mobdro?

Luddites. Stymied.

Anyone using a VPN will route passed the block. Wholly ineffectual.

gibgodsman

Phileas Frog wrote: »

This was in place in the UK last season. How effective was it?

It was actually fairly effective due to the need for a VPN if you were in the UK last season. While a VPN is easy enough to use on a PC, using them on Boxes, TV's etc can be more of a challenge due to needing to get specific routers etc. that most just couldn't do.

I honestly just do not understand why Sky or someone doesn't just offer specific packages to watch your teams matches. €20 a month to watch Liverpool games only, yes please, would do it instantly.

_Kaiser_

galtee boy wrote: »

So you just pay what the supplier asks for and say thanks very much ? Switching/haggling/threatening to leave a supplier etc is the way to reduce your bills, I do it every year with TV, Phone, Broadband, Electricity, Car and House Insurance etc and I always end up paying less than what the original asking price was. Everyone I know does it, that's domestic economics these days and Sky will bend over backwards more than most to hold on to you, because they know Pay tv is a luxury, not a necessary expense.

Slightly side-tracked, but it's gotten ridiculous at this point. Every service/utility expects you to spend hours comparing, haggling and dealing with the frustration and outages if anything goes wrong every year... just so you can get the same price as others!

That's leaving aside the fact that many are just reselling other products anyway. My car renewal quote was ridiculous this year (for no reason I might add)... going online to their site instantly knocked €400 off.

Calling another broker who offered pricing with the same underwriter was cheaper again. Calling that company directly gave ANOTHER price.

It's ridiculous and it takes far too much time and stress.

settopbox

Time for a foreign sub I think.
Canal Plus Poland or Spain I think.

Bigmac1euro

I laughed out loud when I heard this today, it’s not even possible. The guys who are selling these illegal streams have each stream running through a VPN as well. All their servers have VPN’s.

galtee boy

settopbox wrote: »

Time for a foreign sub I think.
Canal Plus Poland or Spain I think.

I didn't think you could legally do this, didn't some pub landlady lose the case in England when she tried to use a Greek sports subscription?

rabbidpeach

galtee boy wrote: »

I didn't think you could legally do this, didn't some pub landlady lose the case in England when she tried to use a Greek sports subscription?

She won the case.


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-17150054

galtee boy

rabbidpeach wrote: »

She won the case.


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-17150054

She did and she didn't, read the last paragraph, the Premier League still say she's liable to prosecution, my understanding is that if the picture on the screen shows the Premier League logo, the Lions head, it is a breach of copyright. However , that's for a pub, I'm guessing that a private legal foreign subscription for domestic use is legal under EU ruling. But would Canal Plus ,or Bein Sports or whoever sell a subscription outside the country they have a licence for ?

Clareman

People will always get around any securities that are put in place, Sky helped get around OnDigital back in the day, they replaced their boxes to get rid of card sharing now the owner of the content is getting involved it makes it even more complicated. The Premier League are making a couple of billion a year from TV rights, they are going to do everything they can to protect that and the first thing they'll do is stop illegal streams as this will stop Sky complaining that feeds from Iraq (for example) are killing their subscription base.

Personally, I'm not a big soccer fan but I love the excuse to go down the pub to watch a match but there are so many matches on now I couldn't tell you the last time I went out of my way to watch a match.