Disney's Mulan - Live Action.

Agent Coulson

Disney's latest live action remake of one of their animated films.

AidoEirE

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Disney's latest live action remake of one of their animated films.

Where's the mini dragon?

Rubberchikken

it looks ok but nothing beats the animated version imo. i even love the songs:)

FunLover18

Looks like a truly different take on the story which is what a remake should be. AFAIK Mushu is a character invented for the Disney version and not part of the original legend to which this version is honinh closee, so I don't mind them not using him.

pixelburp

Is this going to be a musical? Doesn't seem like it, unless that trailer's being super sneaky; looks halfway decent, to be fair. Like it's trying to be a bit different from animation, rather than a sloppy regurgitation.

Wonder when they run out of 'renaissance' era films, will Disney turn to Treasure Planet & Atlantic to adapt to live-action

branie2

Disney are doing a lot of live-action remakes

El Duda

They're flying through these remakes way too quickly. If they're not careful, sooner or later they may have to actually sit down and write something original.

Slydice

Trailer! A bunch of recognisable faces!

Optimalprimerib

El Duda wrote: »

They're flying through these remakes way too quickly. If they're not careful, sooner or later they may have to actually sit down and write something original.

Or buy another studio with franchises

Varik

Hope for them this does well in China as it look like it won't elsewhere.

Doesn't seem at all like the original Disney version, could be any random Milan movie from any random studio.

speedboatchase

Interesting to cast Mulan - a teenager - with a 32-year-old Chinese Communist Party bootlicker. Excited to see how that plays out closer to release.

Slydice

Superbowl sneek peak:

Slydice

Final Trailer.. to go with the Superbowl Spot:

CastorTroy

Now delayed indefinitely

https://deadline.com/2020/03/mulan-new-mutants-antlers-moved-coronavirus-1202881355/

branie2

Better to be safe than sorry

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

It’s now going to be released on Disney+ in a VOD format for $29.99 on top of the Disney+ subscription.

I wouldn’t pay it personally, but I’m not the target for Mulan. I thought the €18 was high for the other home premiere rentals.

I suppose for large families there probably is a saving in this.

I wonder have cinemas much to fear?

Full_Circle_81

This is one I probably would have gone to the cinema to see (pre-Covid) as it doesn't seem like its going to be just a simple re-tread of the animated version. But $30 (which I take it will translate into €30 or more here) is more than I'd be willing to spend on a rental. If it costs more (in this case double?!) to see it once than it would to actually own it (physically or digitally), I'm out.

Whereisgalway

Hope it back fires on Disney, so greedy

homerun_homer

While I can understand that $30 costs are high and to be compared to bringing the family to the cinema, you still are watching it at home and on a small screen by comparison. It's pretty steep.

Disney are getting desperate now. Apparently they are about to have a massive cull of staff in the coming week(s) and are in a very bad position. They're at the stage where they can't afford to produce useless, throwaway and below average content as they have been doing. Everything needs to be good, and a massive hit. The bad rep from the Star Wars side and the recent Fox takeover is no doubt hurting them.

OU812

homerun_homer wrote: »

Disney are getting desperate now. Apparently they are about to have a massive cull of staff in the coming week(s) and are in a very bad position. They're at the stage where they can't afford to produce useless, throwaway and below average content as they have been doing. Everything needs to be good, and a massive hit. The bad rep from the Star Wars side and the recent Fox takeover is no doubt hurting them.

Have to disagree. They reported $3.5b in losses this year, but a huge proportion of that is theme park related. Most of the staff they let go will be theme park employees.

They're currently five years ahead of projections for onboarding to Disney+, will be launching "Disney ⭐" internationally (Hulu) in 2021.

Additionally they're apparently eyeing up Paramount for takeover (monopolies commission to have their word yet).

homerun_homer

OU812 wrote: »

Have to disagree. They reported $3.5b in losses this year, but a huge proportion of that is theme park related. Most of the staff they let go will be theme park employees.

They're currently five years ahead of projections for onboarding to Disney+, will be launching "Disney ⭐" internationally (Hulu) in 2021.

Additionally they're apparently eyeing up Paramount for takeover (monopolies commission to have their word yet).

There's no doubt the parks are doing the biggest damage, but we'll see how these rumours pan out around the movie side of things. Apparently it'll be a cull from all departments, cutting out so much of the deadwood that will be far worse than in the last two recessions.

Cienciano

Millie Muscular Weakling wrote: »

It’s now going to be released on Disney+ in a VOD format for $29.99 on top of the Disney+ subscription.

I wouldn’t pay it personally, but I’m not the target for Mulan. I thought the €18 was high for the other home premiere rentals.

I suppose for large families there probably is a saving in this.

I wonder have cinemas much to fear?

It's crazy high. I have Disney+ and normally go to the cinema with a family of 4. It's cheaper to go to the cinema. Not a hope I'd pay €30 to watch it at home. Never mind the lead actress.

Oafley Jones

OU812 wrote: »

Have to disagree. They reported $3.5b in losses this year, but a huge proportion of that is theme park related. Most of the staff they let go will be theme park employees.

They're currently five years ahead of projections for onboarding to Disney+, will be launching "Disney ⭐" internationally (Hulu) in 2021.

Additionally they're apparently eyeing up Paramount for takeover (monopolies commission to have their word yet).

Disney plus is a spot of positivity, but let’s be real. Their projections were extremely conservative. A huge amount of their US subscribers aren’t paying anything to Disney and even in they were the income is a drop compared to the large bucket that is the parks. That 70 dollars wouldn’t get you in the door at the parks.

The company’s position is precarious enough (not that you’d know it be the stock price). The acquisitions, particularly Fox has left very little in the rainy day fund and Disney has an extraordinary ability to burn through money eg Walt Disney World has over 70,000 employees alone. Even when drastic measures such as the furloughed 40k, there’s was still the massive Capex that they’re locked into. Also, the horrible optics of open parks.

ThePott

I see a lot of people complaining about the high price but as soon as a film this big went to VOD it was always going to be an expensive price tag. I've seen the same people saying that Disney should release Black Widow and they'll pay 50 quid are now complaining about Mulan.

OU812

If just 10% of their subscriber base pay the $29 for it, it’ll bring in $180m. Not enough to cover production costs (approx $220m) but they’d be saving in marketing costs, also the split with the exhibitors (about 12%).

They’re also releasing theatrically in regions that don’t have D+ (China is one) - expect another $200m or so there.

And then you have the additional subscriptions it’ll bring in, say a million at the annual fee - $75, plus another million at a once off $8 for the month to see it

It could end up quite profitable for them (but with Hollywood accounting, won’t).

Either way it’s most likely a once off.

ThePott

OU812 wrote: »

Either way it’s most likely a once off.

I know that's what they're saying but if this is in anyway a success, I think it will be far more common even if it's just a shortened theatrical window. I saw a tweet from someone as well saying that Disney + employees who worked on the VOD model suggested enough work has gone in that there's no way this can be a one and done.

Exhibitors take a lot more than 12 percent. With other VOD services they'd only get an estimated 80% take. They're not gonna abandon theatres but if this succeeds it's a massive bargaining chip against cinema chains especially with the theatrical window already being put into question with the Universal-AMC deal.

OU812

I’ve no doubt there’d be further releases in this way. Disney is the only distributor with its own platform and massive back catalogue to stock it. They would have been mad not to build this in.

There’s diminishing returns though. The number of annual subscribers they bring in each time will become smaller for each release they do.

Black widow may bring in another million annuals but now you’ve got two million who’re not going to be there for the next big release you do and may only get 800k etc.

ThePott

Oh of course, it's something that will only work in certain cases but I do think there's a market there for the right blockbuster. There is other platforms for studios, Disney's has just been the most successful and most widely available. People will sign up for the right film but there is a chance that if it's a title not massively anticipated and the price isn't right they risk putting out a title that people are happy to seek out by alternative means.

iguana

OU812 wrote: »

They’re also releasing theatrically in regions that don’t have D+ (China is one) - expect another $200m or so there.

Are they likely to do a theatrical release in regions with cinemas open? If they do, I'll happily go to the Omniplex to see it.

ThePott

I've heard UK exhibitors aren't getting it and are baffled as to why so I would imagine it's the same case here that it won't be in cinemas.

Agent Coulson

It will be €21.99 here in Ireland from the 4th of September.

OU812

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It will be €21.99 here in Ireland from the 4th of September.

I’ll be waiting for it to land on the paid for platform. I don’t really have that much interest in it and will only watch out of curiosity.

Bond on the other hand is a rental for me

Agent Coulson

It will more than likely drop on non extra premium Disney+ for Christmas anyway.

ThePott

Someone on Reddit is alleging that if you do 'rent' it from Disney once the film is available to everyone you will get complimentary access to another premiere film.

Full_Circle_81

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It will be €21.99 here in Ireland from the 4th of September.

That's not as bad as the $30 that was being floated about earlier. I share my Disney sub with my brother, so this might actually work out at a fair price...

OU812

ThePott wrote: »

Someone on Reddit is alleging that if you do 'rent' it from Disney once the film is available to everyone you will get complimentary access to another premiere film.

This is Disney. That absolutely will not happen.

ThePott

Probably not but I could see them giving a film that's out of cinemas to people a month or a week before it goes to Disney+ in general.

Cassbag90

I wont be paying that to watch it at home anyway

JP Liz V1

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It will be €21.99 here in Ireland from the 4th of September.

For Disney + subscribers?

Agent Coulson

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

For Disney + subscribers?

Yes on top of your sub.

JP Liz V1

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Yes on top of your sub.

:eek:

I'll pass

nix

Disney+ my ass, more like Disney−

:pac:

Agent Coulson

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

:eek:

I'll pass

It will be on Disney+ on the 4th of December so I can wait 3 months to watch it then with my normal sub and not pay anything extra for it.

satguy

People paid for Disney+ thinking they would have access to all this.

Netflix were looking at Disney+ as their biggest competitor, the "up and coming" new kid on the block,, Not any more. All Disney have done is shoot themselves in the foot,, and drive people into the waiting arms of the pirates.

An own goal ??

BTW, great movie !!

TheIrishGrover

Regarding piracy, yeah, this didn't help but, speaking as someone who subscribed, I didn't really think that this film would have come out now free. I assumed that it would come out around Christmas as part of the subscription and maybe early for an additional fee. Sky has being doing that with movies and sports for decades.

I am surprised at the cost though. Thought it would have been about 15 euro. That price is a bit steep. Steep enough for me to wait anyway.

Although I am hearing good things about it and what a cast! I'm certainly looking forward to it and I can understand their reasoning behind this but I'll wait.

Varik

Finished it there, only parts I liked were the few references to the animated version. Calling something a reference in an adaptation might seem weird, but this seem more like a knock off than an adaptation. Like it could have been made by someone else, and you'd be wondering would Disney sue.

I liked when the general (spoiler for a joke)

listing off crimes and the punishments which is mostly death until he get's to the last one which is expulsion, expulsion and dishonour a lot of dishonour

Regular kind of spoiler but just real basic plot points.

The training scenes are there but extended and without the songs, and is the most consistent to the original but a little rearranged with chi added in. The big battle is very much like any Chinese epic movie battle before it with a similar conclusion to the animated, and then you get the fight on the roof at the end. With a redemption bit.

and then there's all the chi and chi witch/warrior stuff.

OU812

Has hit the usual "alternative" sources this morning.

Zhane

satguy wrote: »

People paid for Disney+ thinking they would have access to all this.

Netflix were looking at Disney+ as their biggest competitor, the "up and coming" new kid on the block,, Not any more. All Disney have done is shoot themselves in the foot,, and drive people into the waiting arms of the pirates.

An own goal ??

BTW, great movie !!

Movies need to be released. Also movies need to make money. Obviously with restrictions, it’s difficult to have a worldwide release in cinemas and still make money. Mulan was never planned as a Disney+ release. It had to make its money at the box office, which just won’t happen now. So putting it on Disney+ (At an additional optional cost) is the next best thing.

I fully understand why they are doing this, this was supposed to be one of the biggest movies of the year so Disney trying to recoup some funds back by charging to watch makes business sense. I wonder if it would have had the same backlash if they released it on iTunes, Amazon Prime to buy, google store first then release on Disney+ then in December as is the plan?

I’m expecting the same with Black Widow tbh.

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Zhane

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I don't think the issue is that Disney is charging extra for Mulan on top of a plus subscription. As previously mentioned it was never meant to go to Disney + (at least not right away), it was supposed to be released in cinemas. The problem is, how much they're charging. It's priced as as if you're watching it in the cinema. You're not.

Hmm I mean yeah it can be considered pricey. €15-18 would be better pricing point. Maybe this one is a test to see how much they can get away with charging. If it doesn’t yield a result then the next one might come in at a slightly under the €21. I suppose it’s what you think is good value too, I don’t particularly like the cinema, people don’t know how to be quiet and actually watch the movie and not mess on the phone. So for the right movie I’d prob pay €21 just to watch it in the comfort of my own home. 😂😂

FunLover18

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

I don't think the issue is that Disney is charging extra for Mulan on top of a plus subscription. As previously mentioned it was never meant to go to Disney + (at least not right away), it was supposed to be released in cinemas. The problem is, how much they're charging. It's priced as as if you're watching it in the cinema. You're not.

If you've a family with small children, €21 is surely much cheaper than a trip to the cinema and all that that entails, not to mention you get to keep it.