Europe for Europeans

AndyTheDude

Do you agree with Dalai Lama, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, that Europe should be for the Europeans as stated in the video below?
He goes even further in describing Europe becoming a Muslim or African land as "impossible".

Should we all despise the man who clearly stands in the way of us reaching the nirvana of multiculturalism?

Is Dalai Lama a NAZI???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-iHx-toZb0

Hurrache

He's also a sexist..

Wilberto

Hurrache wrote: »

He's also a sexist..

I just came here to post the same thing!

Gatling

He has a a point for most part .

Mass unchecked migration will come back to haunt us in the long term ,

Sonny noggs

Is ‘Africa for Africans’ racist?

Blueshoe

The population of the continent of Africa is 1.2 billion people. Un population estimates show it could reach 2.4 billion by 2050

Migration crisis?

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Kivaro

Gatling wrote: »

He has a a point for most part .

Mass unchecked migration will come back to haunt us in the long term ,

It will drive the liberal left here bonkers since the Dalai Lama came out and said it. They will be so conflicted on whether to call the Dalia Lama a racist/Nazi, which is the usual response when anyone brings up the topic.

Sonny noggs

Blueshoe wrote: »

The population of the continent of Africa is 1.2 billion people. Un population estimates show it could reach 2.4 billion by 2050

Migration crisis?

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Something to look forward to.

Blueshoe

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Something to look forward to.

Make sure you have a private pension in place.

riffmongous

He might be a bit biased in that regard, you know considering his own political situation

gozunda

Blueshoe wrote: »

The population of the continent of Africa is 1.2 billion people. Un population estimates show it could reach 2.4 billion by 2050 Migration crisis? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Europe has 11% of the world's population with a population density of 188 people per square km

Africa has 15% of the worlds population with a population density of 87 people per square km

Africa has a land area of approximately 3 times the size of Europe.

Really makes no sense people moving from a low density continent to one of high density if population increases are the only thing driving migration ...

Gatling

Kivaro wrote: »

It will drive the liberal left here bonkers since the Dalai Lama came out and said it. They will be so conflicted on whether to call the Dalia Lama a racist/Nazi, which is the usual response when anyone brings up the topic.

This is very true ,

They may well need a guarded safe space to feel comfortable again and maybe a shower

Sonny noggs

Kivaro wrote: »

It will drive the liberal left here bonkers since the Dalai Lama came out and said it. They will be so conflicted on whether to call the Dalia Lama a racist/Nazi, which is the usual response when anyone brings up the topic.

They were quick to turn on Aung San Suu Kyi, so expect the same treatment here.

suicide_circus

I wonder will Pope Francis echo these sentiments?

Hurrache

Sonny noggs wrote: »

They were quick to turn on Aung San Suu Kyi, so expect the same treatment here.

Erm, you may need to do a bit of reading as to why. And maybe some more if you think that despite all the facts people who previously supported her should have continued to do so.

Blueshoe

gozunda wrote: »

Europe has 11% of the world's population with a population density of 188 people per square km

Africa has 15% of the worlds population with a population density of 87 people per square km

Africa has a land area of approximately 3 times the size of Europe.

Really makes no sense people moving from a low density continent to one of high density if population increases are the only thing driving migration ...

Yet they are still crossing the Mediterranean .It's not due to living space either

Kimsang

Nationalism gets a terrible rap. There's nothing wrong with a bit of healthy nationalism. Multi-culturalists seem to have forgotten. But nationalism like most things, can be pretty terrible in its extremes.

Hurrache

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's not due to living space either

Sure what harm is a bit of lebensraum.

AndyTheDude

"keep Europe for Europeans"
"Europe has let in too many refugees"
"there have been too many accepted into Europe"
"Germany cannot become an Arab country"
"they should be returned to their own country"
"it's impossible for everyone to come"

Just a few quotes from the clip. Has this man lost his mind?! All of this goes against everything I have read on the topic so far.

I am confused. He's a Nobel Peace Prize laureate after all...

Sonny noggs

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yet they are crossing the Mediterranean in record numbers. It's not due to living space either

Lebensraum at a continental level.

Edit: Beaten to it by Hurranche.

Kimsang

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Has this man lost his mind?!

I am confused. He's a Nobel Peace Prize laureate after all...

You seem to forget he's from Tibet and the Chinese are trying to impose their culture and laws on his country.
Of course he wants his country to continue to have its own identity...

• The Dalai Lama grew up in Tibet's thousand-year-old Potala Palace in Lhasa. But he has lived in exile in India since the Chinese Army crushed an uprising in his homeland in 1959.
• In 1989, the Dalai Lama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, for his work advocating nonviolent means to free Tibet from China.

Sonny noggs

Hurrache wrote: »

Erm, you may need to do a bit of reading as to why. And maybe some more if you think that despite all the facts people who previously supported her should have continued to do so.

Didn’t say they should or shouldn’t continue to support her. Point is they got it wrong until that point and dropped her in a flash. I personally wouldn’t have ever supported her, before or after.

Sonny noggs

Blueshoe wrote: »

Make sure you have a private pension in place.

Which will get raided again when the cost of funding our new citizens balloons.

Harry Palmr

Of course if this policy had been implemented early enough we'd have the whole place to ourselves

(it's been proven to the point of exhaustion that immigrants pay for lazy fat natives fat pensions)

Kimsang

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Didn’t say they should or shouldn’t continue to support her. Point is they got it wrong until that point and dropped her in a flash. I personally wouldn’t have ever supported her, before or after.

It takes a lot to piss of Buddhist monks.

One thing I wouldn't be fearful of being extreme is a Buddhist monk. They might take extra care not to tread on an insect.

Still waters

AndyTheDude wrote: »

"keep Europe for Europeans"
"Europe has let in too many refugees"
"there have been too many accepted into Europe"
"Germany cannot become an Arab country"
"they should be returned to their own country"
"it's impossible for everyone to come"

Just a few quotes from the clip. Has this man lost his mind?! All of this goes against everything I have read on the topic so far.

I am confused. He's a Nobel Peace Prize laureate after all...

I don't see too much wrong with what he said, whats your objection to it

batgoat

Hurrache wrote: »

Erm, you may need to do a bit of reading as to why. And maybe some more if you think that despite all the facts people who previously supported her should have continued to do so.

Yep, ceasing support for her was entirely principled.

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Didn’t say they should or shouldn’t continue to support her. Point is they got it wrong until that point and dropped her in a flash. I personally wouldn’t have ever supported her, before or after.

It was entirely impossible to predict her position on the Rohingya. That was literally the turning point. So it wasn't getting it wrong.

Kimsang

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, ceasing support for her was entirely principled.
It was entirely impossible to predict her position on the Rohingya. That was literally the turning point. So it wasn't getting it wrong.

Go on, tell us the story of the Rohingya

Still waters

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Of course if this policy had been implemented early enough we'd have the whole place to ourselves

(it's been proven to the point of exhaustion that immigrants pay for lazy fat natives fat pensions)

The same fat natives that worked to build a country others try to get to for a better life, that they pay gratuity for the privilege
seems fair to me

Hurrache

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Didn’t say they should or shouldn’t continue to support her. Point is they got it wrong until that point and dropped her in a flash. I personally wouldn’t have ever supported her, before or after.

But you did say "they" turned on her with the implication it was for nonsensical reasons. They had nothing wrong at that point as she wasn't in a position to ethnically cleanse anyone.

Hurrache

Kimsang wrote: »

It takes a lot to piss of Buddhist monks.

One thing I wouldn't be fearful of being extreme is a Buddhist monk. They might take extra care not to tread on an insect.

That have a fondness for self immolation.

sweet_trip

FWIW: Most Buddhist loathe the Dalai Llama. He's not very popular at all among the Buddhist religion.
Most Buddhists tend to roll their eyes when they hear about him and are of the opinion he has a bit of a screw loose.



He makes his money from preaching to gullible westerners and americans who view him as some kind of messiah and pay big money to listen to him spout shíte.



That much is pretty evident.

Harry Palmr

It is worth pointing out the OP is a a blow in from Poland? Europe for Europeans and Ireland for the Irish anyone?

MrFresh

He also said, "Receive them, help them, educate them" and said Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life”. His point was that refugees should return to their own countries and help rebuild when they can. Funny how that got left out.

Kimsang

Hurrache wrote: »

But you did say "they" turned on her with the implication it was for nonsensical reasons. They had nothing wrong at that point as she wasn't in a position to ethnically cleanse anyone.

What a flip you must think she made, I guess you think she went mad while in isolation?

I tend to think she thinks what shes doing is right. Do you genuinely believe she has evil intentions?

Kimsang

Hurrache wrote: »

That have a fondness for self immolation.

That's a much grander act that taking hundreds along with you. One such video is especially memorable for me, and I think the most powerful political message I have ever seen.

Quảng Đức's self-immolation came in response to the persecution of Buddhists by the government under Diệm, who belonged to the Catholic minority and was supported by the USA. Buddhists were regularly subjected to discriminatory policies that ranged from limited access to United States aid to employment. Even the military saw some Buddhists convert in order to improve their chance of promotion.

Thích Quảng Đức calmly emerged from a car and adopted the lotus position on a cushion in the intersection where he was doused in petrol from a five-gallon can. After chanting a prayer he struck a match and his body was engulfed in flames.
Photographs of the act shocked the world, and increased international pressure on Diệm who failed to implement reforms that he promised in the aftermath. On 1 November he was overthrown in a coup and assassinated the following day.

Blaizes

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yet they are still crossing the Mediterranean .It's not due to living space either

Just going to say that it’s cause things are so appallingly *hit in the countries their coming from.

Blueshoe

Blaizes wrote: »

Just going to say that it’s cause things are so appallingly *hit in the countries their coming from.

In comparison I would imagine so. Europe is very wealthy in comparison. Welfare etc much more generous in comparison.

Europe only has a population of 741 million. Lots of room. The more the merrier. We have the cash. The taxpayers will help out.

Open the gates I say.

super_furry

Some religious aul lad says something. We'll have more at nine.

Harvey Weinstein

Kivaro wrote: »

It will drive the liberal left here bonkers since the Dalai Lama came out and said it. They will be so conflicted on whether to call the Dalia Lama a racist/Nazi, which is the usual response when anyone brings up the topic.

Not only that but back in the days of the Free Tibet movement it was the Liberal Left themselves that were most vocal about the 'genocide' of native Tibetans, due to the (planned and deliberate) mass immigration of Han Chinese and their predicted demographic replacement of Tibetans.

Kivaro

MrFresh wrote: »

He also said, "Receive them, help them, educate them" and said Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life”. His point was that refugees should return to their own countries and help rebuild when they can. Funny how that got left out.

This is actually how the asylum/refugee process should work. And if it did work like that, I'd say it would get almost universal support here in Ireland. If you are a genuine refugee, we will shelter you and feed you.

However, how many asylum seekers coming to Ireland are fleeing life endangering situations? The overwhelming vast majority of them are economic migrants. If they are really fleeing for their lives, they would seek sanctuary in the first safe country. But this is not happening for our asylum seekers. Nope, they are traversing across the continent from places like Georgia, Albania, and further afield from Pakistan and Nigeria to gain access to the paradise that is the Irish Welfare System.

Kimsang

Douglas Murray argued that most of the people entering are economic migrants taking advantage travelling alongside genuine asylum seekers.

I don't see how you can turn away an asylum seeker.

But we can only handle so many economic migrants, especially low skilled.

mfceiling

Kimsang wrote: »

Douglas Murray argued that most of the people entering are economic migrants taking advantage travelling alongside genuine asylum seekers.

I don't see how you can turn away an asylum seeker.

But we can only handle so many economic migrants, especially low skilled.

Low skilled, no english, asylum seekers? Do the jobs the Irish people won't do or apparently refuse to do. There seems to be loads of these positions available.

Blaizes

Blueshoe wrote: »

In comparison I would imagine so. Europe is very wealthy in comparison. Welfare etc much more generous in comparison.

Europe only has a population of 741 million. Lots of room. The more the merrier. We have the cash. The taxpayers will help out.

Open the gates I say.

I don’t know if you’re being genuine or sarcastic and I mean no offense in saying that as I haven’t read your other posts. Europe isn’t exactly in great shape at the moment though but certainly it’s not Africa. Heard on the radio today talks of welfare payments changing, maybe changes in pensions, I don’t know what to think, I’m not on welfare nor of pensionable age but for those who are I think it wouldn’t be well received. But perhaps i’m wrong and it would depend on how it was implemented. I’m off topic by miles now I’d say but our national debt is very high as well. I should probably stop listening to the radio because it all gets a bit depressing.

Hurrache

Kimsang wrote: »

What a flip you must think she made, I guess you think she went mad while in isolation?

I tend to think she thinks what shes doing is right. Do you genuinely believe she has evil intentions?

I think nothing, but I do know the facts of what happened.

To try cleanse a country of people based on their religious beliefs through murder and violence is evil, yes.

"I tend to think she thinks what shes doing is right." Do I really need to Godwin the thread?

Thread had turned into the usual **** show though with posters believing, probably because their minds can't comprehend anything different, that you're either left or right on everything in life. Clowns.

Blueshoe

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-rape-trial-sex-attack-manada-de-manresa-law-barcelona-a8988536.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Well this is just wrong

Kimsang

Hurrache wrote: »

I think nothing, but I do know the facts of what happened.

To try cleanse a country of people based on their religious beliefs through murder and violence is evil, yes.

"I tend to think she thinks what shes doing is right." Do I really need to Godwin the thread?

Thread had turned into the usual **** show though with posters believing, probably because their minds can't comprehend anything different, that you're either left or right on everything in life. Clowns.

You clearly have never heard of Hannah Arendt. Its an interesting, but tough subject to grapple with. Not everything is as clear cut black and white as you think.

Hurrache

Kimsang wrote: »

You clearly have never heard of Hannah Arendt. Its an interesting, but tough subject to grapple with. Not everything is as clear cut black and white as you think.

I have, but philosophy is basically just ones opinion isn't it.

seasidedub

He's right. In my opinion.

Why is "nationalism" wrong? Almost all countries including our own specifically celebrate it on days such as Easter Sunday - the festivities are even attended by the arch wizard of multiculturalism himself Micky D. We are taught to be proud of our nation, culture etc. Then on the other hand, told to accept diversity and multiculturalism. I don't think you can have it both ways to be honest.

Do we really want Ireland to be a really multi ethnic Ireland? Like really? I'm not talking about better ethnic restaurants, I mean a country where it wouldn't really be "irish" anymore, but a mix.

Is that what we really want? I'm not so sure. Generally, I go to places like Portugal or Estonia or other countries to see and experience the culture, language, food etc. Sure, you can go to certain places like New York to experience multiculturalism, but generally I go to France to eat French food and see how the French live.

We like to think that everyone "integrates" and becomes part of the new country but while that may have been true of immigrants in the past, now there's cheap travel, phone calls, internet, satellite tv in the home language etc, and people increasingly stay in their own groups. The nhs in the UK spends 50 million a year on translators - often for people 20 years in the country.

What are actually seeing are fractured societies where people work together because they must, but otherwise settle in their own groups.

gozunda

Blueshoe wrote: »

In comparison I would imagine so. Europe is very wealthy in comparison. Welfare etc much more generous in comparison. Europe only has a population of 741 million. Lots of room. The more the merrier. We have the cash. The taxpayers will help out.
Open the gates I say.

As the other poster said "I dont know whether you are being genuine or sarcastic - 'plenty of room'? - the facts are European population density already significantly exceeds that of Africa. It is also true that much of Europe is experiencing a housing crisis. 'Opening the gates' (sic) is not going to benefit the many - neither the countries people are leaving or the countries that they are travelling to ...

Kimsang

Hurrache wrote: »

I have, but philosophy is basically just ones opinion isn't it.

I just find it hard for anyone to have that opinion of Kyi while knowing all the facts of the situation. From what I see of liberal media here, they only portray one side.
You even used self immolation in the derogatory against Buddhists, when there is no more noble of an act...