Doubling of Stockholm murder rate attributed immigration

Pkiernan

Interesting stats on how Stockholm crime has soared.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sweden-shootings-gangs-increase-4711474-Jul2019/

No real political slant on it for once.

Makes one fear for Germany's future 10 years from now.

Stockholm is in Sweden.

dudara

Moved from AH to CA

Sonny noggs

I’m sure Merkel and the elite will be safe either way.

Pkiernan

dudara wrote: »

Moved from AH to CA

Sorry if I posted in wrong place.

bloodless_coup

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Stockholm is in Sweden.

I'm sure he's pointing out the correlation between the two countries, but well done on your fine thanks whoring contribution.

Harvey Weinstein

Pkiernan wrote: »

Interesting stats on how Stockholm crime has soared.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sweden-shootings-gangs-increase-4711474-Jul2019/

No real political slant on it for once.

Makes one fear for Germany's future 10 years from now.

Quite surprising that the Journal reported on this at all and even more surprising that they actually presented an objective and factual account.

But as you can see in the comments there are many who will still engage in complete denial because their ideological position (pro immigration) trumps all other concerns be it rape, murder, shootings or bombings.

I guess it has become impossible to hide the truth now as Sweden has been having serious problems with Migrant crime for a good while now which has been widely reported ( and widely denied by 'liberals' ) but the truth always comes out in the end.

This does not bode well for Ireland either as the same pattern of migrant criminality emerges in almost every country but maybe (as everyone seems to believe) 'Ireland is different' ...Yeah right

suicide_circus

these statistics are hate facts

davedanon

I must have gotten the wrong link. I didn't see where it said the murder rate increase was attributed to immigration. I did see a much more nuanced statement about the various causes of a complex problem, but not as your thread title has it. It's a well-known fact that immigrants generally, be they white, black or any colour in between, are LESS likely to get involved in crime, or be 'a burden on the state' generally.

It's almost as though you were deliberately trying to distort what the piece said, in order to make some point of your own. Almost.

Boxing.Fan

Sweden was the last place I would have expected to turn out like this. Such a shame.

Sonny noggs

I spent a few weeks in Kista, Stockholm earlier this year for work.

Lots of tech companies full of white swedes during the day, then they all head home. Go to the galleria in the evening and 80% plus are ‘new’ swedes. Surreal.

Sonny noggs

suicide_circus wrote: »

these statistics are hate facts

And must be suppressed.

d15ude

Sonny noggs wrote: »

I spent a few weeks in Kista, Stockholm earlier this year for work.

Lots of tech companies full of white swedes during the day, then they all head home. Go to the galleria in the evening and 80% plus are ‘new’ swedes. Surreal.

Why is it surreal?

Sonny noggs

d15ude wrote: »

Why is it surreal?

A suburb / area of a Northern European capital city where whites are in the small minority is not surreal to you? Bizarre.

AlekSmart

davedanon wrote: »

I must have gotten the wrong link. I didn't see where it said the murder rate increase was attributed to immigration. I did see a much more nuanced statement about the various causes of a complex problem, but not as your thread title has it. It's a well-known fact that immigrants generally, be they white, black or any colour in between, are LESS likely to get involved in crime, or be 'a burden on the state' generally.

It's almost as though you were deliberately trying to distort what the piece said, in order to make some point of your own. Almost.

It might be a bit premature to accuse the OP of distortion on the issue,particularly as The Journal article merely references a single year.

For whatever reason,the rise in Swedish homicide rates took a bit of a sudden lep in 2014/2015,a trend which has continued since....87 Homicides in 2014....112 homicides in 2015.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-homicides/

It may well have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with events in the Mediterranian,and sub-Saharan Africa around the same time-frame,but then again,the time correlation is also a fact....the question,I suppose,is should we ignore such facts during any meaningful investigation of the complexities you mention ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

I don't know if there is an answer to any of these complex issues,but I do believe that recognising their existence has to be a prereqisite to any meaningful solution.

Tiptoeing around,or shying away from,such things,particularly in the developmental stages rarely results in any acceptable or permanent solution.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35285086

Blueshoe

The sooner this happens here the better. I'm one of those people want to watch the world burn.

Kivaro

davedanon wrote: »

It's a well-known fact that immigrants generally, be they white, black or any colour in between, are LESS likely to get involved in crime, or be 'a burden on the state' generally.

There is one word missing from your sentence above.
"Working" immigrants .......
But when you have EU and non-EU welfare tourists arriving in large numbers, then they are most likely to be a burden on the state and involved in criminality.

AlekSmart wrote: »

I don't know if there is an answer to any of these complex issues,but I do believe that recognising their existence has to be a prereqisite to any meaningful solution.

Tiptoeing around,or shying away from,such things,particularly in the developmental stages rarely results in any acceptable or permanent solution.

And that's it in a nutshell.
To ignore it is to repeat the colossal mistakes of our European neighbours.

TCM

Close this thread immediately as the facts don't fit the leftie liberal agenda.

PMBC

Im 'neutral' on the immigration issue but please remember correlation is not causation.

bloodless_coup

Sonny noggs wrote: »

A suburb / area of a Northern European capital city where whites are in the small minority is not surreal to you? Bizarre.

Poster is doing their best to achieve wokedom by pretending it isn't surreal.

biko

Sweden is lost.
But the citizenry voted for this to happen.
Hope they're happy with their new society.

You import Middle East, you get Middle East.

Atlantic Dawn

You won't see this story on RTE.

5555555555

This has been reported on non mainstream news sources for years.

Must be really bad to see reports appearing on more mainstream channels.

biko

“This violence is tearing apart society as we know it and the country we want Sweden to be,” conservative MP Johan Forssell said during a recent debate on gangs in parliament.

Don't trust these guys, they are just as bad as the Social Democrats for messing up the country.

davedanon

"But when you have EU and non-EU welfare tourists arriving in large numbers"

Is that what is happening? Would you emigrate to another country just to go on the dole?

davedanon

I don't know why I bother with this ****e. As ever, Boards.ie seems to be a home for all the fascists, bigots and racist **** in the country.

**** you all.

Blueshoe

davedanon wrote: »

I don't know why I bother with this ****e. As ever, Boards.ie seems to be a home for all the fascists, bigots and racist **** in the country.

**** you all.

Hey pal. We didn't write the article or make up the quotes. This is reality.

You can bury your head if you like but don't expect everyone else to follow.

Keep your nasty comments to yourself

Stephen15

Is this what it will take for the Irish to finally start voting for nationalist parties with a common sense approach to immigration? Hungary, Czechia and Poland are dead right no mass immigration and no desire for it into those countries all perfectly safe.

Rechuchote

Just not true. Here's a graph of murders in Sweden from 1970 to 2018. As you'll see, there were more murders in the 1970s:

Augme

biko wrote: »

Sweden is lost.

A country that has one of the lowest murder rates in the world is lost.


What does that make America?

irishgrover

This thread is funny, it's like a circle jerk for assholes

bloodless_coup

Sweden is currently not feeling too good:

irishproduce

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Quite surprising that the Journal reported on this at all and even more surprising that they actually presented an objective and factual account.

But as you can see in the comments there are many who will still engage in complete denial because their ideological position (pro immigration) trumps all other concerns be it rape, murder, shootings or bombings.

I guess it has become impossible to hide the truth now as Sweden has been having serious problems with Migrant crime for a good while now which has been widely reported ( and widely denied by 'liberals' ) but the truth always comes out in the end.

This does not bode well for Ireland either as the same pattern of migrant criminality emerges in almost every country but maybe (as everyone seems to believe) 'Ireland is different' ...Yeah right

Want to agree with this. I am very surprised the journal reported this story.
I don't see them as a reliable impartial news source at all. Odd they reported this.

This is why you don't want a feminist government in power

Blueshoe

Rechuchote wrote: »

Just not true. Here's a graph of murders in Sweden from 1970 to 2018. As you'll see, there were more murders in the 1970s:

Yes exactly society has become more civilized. It's not the Swedes that are doing the modern day murdering. It's their guests. As per the article

NSAman

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes exactly society has become more civilized. It's not the Swedes that are doing the modern day murdering. It's their guests. As per the article

You cannot say things like that!

It turns you into a bigot, a fascist, a racist instantly.

Open borders Is the new world order. Anyone who thinks people don’t need passports or visas is small minded. It’s funny, but when you go to various countries You have to have both.

davedanon

davedanon wrote:

I don't know why I bother with this ****e. As ever, Boards.ie seems to be a home for all the fascists, bigots and racist **** in the country.

I assume you mean that when you log onto boards, you see that not everyone is in your little bubble.

I am not a fascist.

I am not a bigot.

I certainly am not a racist either.

I can see there is a problem with mass/illegal immigration.

What is your point?

Would you be willing to accept undocumented immigrants into your home? If not, why not?

Blueshoe

NSAman wrote: »

You cannot say things like that!

It turns you into a bigot, a fascist, a racist instantly.

Open borders Is the new world order. Anyone who thinks people don’t need passports or visas is small minded. It’s funny, but when you go to various countries You have to have both.

I'm only going on the information in the article

4068ac1elhodqr

Stockholm has dropped out of the top 20 in an annual quality of life index (compiled by Mercer) for both 2018 & 2019.

1123heavy

4 murders in the past 3 months in D15, a woman randomly attacked with a sharp object in a Blanchardstown restaurant last Monday, kids come across a loaded gun used in gangland crime and a shooting inside a Lidl supermarket all in the same area. Every single one of these crimes were commited by white Irish males. No 'fodeigners' or immigrants or Muslims involved in these crimes.

Sorry but i just don't get what logic you guys use to come to these nonsensical conclusions that a tiny fraction of the population pose such danger. Do you sit around your computers all day peeking out the window to see if the <SNIP> are charging over the hills yet? Good Lord

This scaremongering has frightening similarities to the German 1930s era propaganda machine about another faith group, "history repeats itself" - a phrase everyone knows how to say but few actually cop when it occurs.

Hobosan

1123heavy wrote: »

Do you sit around your computers all day peeking out the window to see if the <SNIP> are charging over the hills yet? Good Lord

<SNIP>

People are being so reasonable on the thread that you have to pretend you're conversing with 18th century British soldiers to make your 'point'...

That should win hearts and minds.

Liberta Per Gli Ultra

Hobosan wrote: »

Muzzies?

People are being so reasonable on the thread that you have to pretend you're conversing with 18th century British soldiers to make your 'point'...

That should win hearts and minds.

Was just thinking the same thing, no need to drag down the tone of the thread like that. It's like when someone ignores the content of a post because they can't argue with the substance of it.

Hobosan

Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: »

Was just thinking the same thing, no need to drag down the tone of the thread like that. It's like when someone ignores the content of a post because they can't argue with the substance of it.

That's the crux of the issue. Content without substance.

Substance on important issues is like gold dust on Boards. Someone will inevitably come along to remind people with substantive knowledge that they're immune to such wisdom.

In all honesty, arguing the content of a post is usually a waste of time. Forums are completely worthless for dialogue on political topics.

All the same, using derogatory terms is obviously not allowed on boards, but using derogatory terms in the name of people you disagree with, like 'muzzies' above is a sneaky way of employing the worst kind of insult one can dish out, without any recourse.

The poster is implying that previous commenters that have reservations about immigration are in league with the KKK. It's a common tactic to derail discussion. So common that the poster probably didn't realise they were doing it.

In time, the methods for labelling people racist are going to get even more creative and simultaneously more absurd, I can promise you that.

Kivaro

davedanon wrote: »

"But when you have EU and non-EU welfare tourists arriving in large numbers"

Is that what is happening? Would you emigrate to another country just to go on the dole?

Would I emigrate to another country for the dole?
I certainly would not. I was brought up to believe in working for a living and not to be a burden on society even when the economy is bad.
Also, many countries around the world would not allow me to emigrate to their countries without the skills and financial backing to support myself. For example, I could not emigrate to Australia or the United States and expect welfare or to be housed as soon as I arrive ............. which leads to your first question: "Is that what is happening?"

Of course it is happening in Ireland. When you receive relatively high welfare payments, free healthcare (medical cards), and free accomodation if you declare yourself homeless as soon as you arrive, it is no wonder that we have such a large influx of welfare tourists. That, and the promise of a forever home with the billions currently being allocated for social housing in the next few years.

Let's take Africans for example. Almost 60% of Africans in Ireland are on welfare. This is an abhorrent percentage. And I would bet that Roma Gypies numbers are even higher. The point is that we (the people paying for them to be on welfare) can see that it is not sustainable to continue accepting people into the country who have no means to support themselves. We can only afford so much, and when the next recession hits in a year or two, services to our families, friends, and neighbours will be cut in order to continue paying for the welfare benefits of these new arrivals. It is self-destruction.

Sonny noggs

1123heavy wrote: »

4 murders in the past 3 months in D15, a woman randomly attacked with a sharp object in a Blanchardstown restaurant last Monday, kids come across a loaded gun used in gangland crime and a shooting inside a Lidl supermarket all in the same area. Every single one of these crimes were commited by white Irish males. No 'fodeigners' or immigrants or Muslims involved in these crimes.

Sorry but i just don't get what logic you guys use to come to these nonsensical conclusions that a tiny fraction of the population pose such danger. Do you sit around your computers all day peeking out the window to see if the <SNIP> are charging over the hills yet? Good Lord

This scaremongering has frightening similarities to the German 1930s era propaganda machine about another faith group, "history repeats itself" - a phrase everyone knows how to say but few actually cop when it occurs.

Racist term <SNIP> reported

dudara

No racial or religious slurs please

dudara

Annasopra

Bradley Elegant Ginseng wrote: »

This is why you don't want a feminist government in power

I do. Im delighted we have strong feminists like Zappone in government.

Blueshoe

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I do. Im delighted we have strong feminists like Zappone in government.

Joey and his jokes

Annasopra

Blueshoe wrote: »

Joey and his jokes

Not joking. A feminist government in power would be great.

JeffKenna

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Not joking. A feminist government in power would be great.

Maria Bailey for Taoiseach!

dudara

Blueshoe infracted for personal jibes.

dudara