Insignia engine gone?

corks finest

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Same happened Sunday evening to a friends. Oil pressure warning light came on he stopped immediately and it was still to late it locked up solid. It's a 2011 with 180000 km.

FFS that's not good enough,any Opel recall for same?

CoBo55

corks finest wrote: »

FFS that's not good enough,any Opel recall for same?

There was, ECU reprogrammed to ignore the oil pressure switch.

OldmanMondeo

Welcome to the club... I had the rebuild done last year, biggest mistake I ever made. Engine gone again 12 montha later, car is now scrapped. Sometime the oil seal will cause a mixture of oil and air and cause a misreading on the oil pressure sensor, the engine could have been starved of oil for a while.

CoBo55

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Welcome to the club... I had the rebuild done last year, biggest mistake I ever made. Engine gone again 12 montha later, car is now scrapped. Sometime the oil seal will cause a mixture of oil and air and cause a misreading on the oil pressure sensor, the engine could have been starved of oil for a while.

As you found out it's pointless rebuilding them as the shells spin in the housing ruining the block and caps rendering the whole lot scrap.

corks finest

CoBo55 wrote: »

corks finest wrote: »

FFS that's not good enough,any Opel recall for same?

There was, ECU reprogrammed to ignore the oil pressure switch.

Cheating bastards

CoBo55

corks finest wrote: »

Cheating bastards

As the song says, it's all about the money money money...

Hellrazer

grogi wrote: »

You clearly know better, share the details with us.

CoBo55 wrote: »

There was, ECU reprogrammed to ignore the oil pressure switch.

Ive been through all the bulletins on the dealer portal as far back as 2008 and there never was a software update to stop or lessen the time the oil pressure light came on.
So the whole "they released a software update so they wouldn't have to deal with warranty issues" is completely untrue.

I cant get any clearer than that.

The truth is that engine is a piece of junk. I wouldn't touch an Insignia with a 2.0 diesel in it.
The pick up pipe seal is the known fault. But even after rebuilding they are still prone to failure as the crankshaft is also a weakness in them.
Avoid like the plague.

FR85

Some Saabs are prone to the pick up seal going also, I think for some reason its primarily the TTiD. I have one of these and although I got the seal done it still pops up every now and then when starting from cold.

grogi

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ive been through all the bulletins on the dealer portal as far back as 2008 and there never was a software update to stop or lessen the time the oil pressure light came on.
So the whole "they released a software update so they wouldn't have to deal with warranty issues" is completely untrue.

I cant get any clearer than that.

The truth is that engine is a piece of junk. I wouldn't touch an Insignia with a 2.0 diesel in it.
The pick up pipe seal is the known fault. But even after rebuilding they are still prone to failure as the crankshaft is also a weakness in them.
Avoid like the plague.

Is it routine to upgrade ECU software during service? Would the customer get an update even if they didn't complain about anything?

GM would not admit in publicly available materials that it was the way they handled problem. It opens a liability can. Because it is not really a safety issue - such as exploding airbags - the probability of a probe into this was minimal.

OldmanMondeo

CoBo55 wrote: »

As you found out it's pointless rebuilding them as the shells spin in the housing ruining the block and caps rendering the whole lot scrap.

The block was replaced with a reconditioned one and the crankshaft was regrounded, so I was told....

Hurrache

CoBo55 wrote: »

There was, ECU reprogrammed to ignore the oil pressure switch.

A lot of people wouldn't have got services done in main dealers so surely there'd be a lot of cars in the wild which get the warning before hand.

grogi

Hurrache wrote: »

A lot of people wouldn't have got services done in main dealers so surely there'd be a lot of cars in the wild which get the warning before hand.

Most cars get serviced during warranty - that's around two years of services. Later cars came with the 'fix' out of factory.

TheBoyConor

samih wrote: »

It actually seems that the issue with the 2.0 is that an O-ring between the oil galley in the block and the pickup stainer hardens and results in gradually worsening oil starvation. Did the garage really replace the oil pump or only that seal? If the seal was replaced there is a possibility of the symptoms returning if the the seal continues to be bad.

If the car was already suffering from low oil pressure two months ago (=i.e. there were symptoms which prompted you to get the repair done) it could just be that the damage was already done and the engine finally failed now due to the issues earlier this year.

Indeed, you'd be wondering did the garage replace the oil pump at all even or did they just say, yep lobbed in a new oil pump in there boss, €800 if you don't mind.

CoBo55

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

The block was replaced with a reconditioned one and the crankshaft was regrounded, so I was told....

I'd doubt the block was line bored, I don't think oversized/undersized shells are available.

TheBoyConor

You wouldn't rebore or put undersize bearing shells in a car engine unless it is some high value or genuinely rare model. I'd have my doubts whether the engine manufacturer for cars like this would even have produced parts like oversize pistons and bearings because there's no market for it.
They used to do it years ago but no-one does it now.

When engines go in cars like this you just replace the engine. It is not worth the hassle and expense stripping them down and rebuilding them.
Them diesel insignias are only a cúnt of a car anyway. Cut your losses and scrap it.

Hellrazer

grogi wrote: »

Is it routine to upgrade ECU software during service? Would the customer get an update even if they didn't complain about anything?

GM would not admit in publicly available materials that it was the way they handled problem. It opens a liability can. Because it is not really a safety issue - such as exploding airbags - the probability of a probe into this was minimal.

Do you not understand?
There was no software update related to the oil pressure switch at all. There never was --its internet hearsay. You keep saying there was and its a big conspiracy from GM yet you cant show me one piece of proof that they released a software to actually cause damage to a car.

Yet even though I have access to GMs technical site I cant even find one piece of software that was related to the fuel pressure system of the Insignia that was released in the last 10 years yet alone one to make an oil pressure light "stay off longer" in order to not have to cover them under warranty.


I said it before and Ill say it again. The issue is down to poor maintenance. You have to remember a lot of these were reps cars that were lucky to be serviced at all never mind on time.

corks finest

grogi wrote: »

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ive been through all the bulletins on the dealer portal as far back as 2008 and there never was a software update to stop or lessen the time the oil pressure light came on.
So the whole "they released a software update so they wouldn't have to deal with warranty issues" is completely untrue.

I cant get any clearer than that.

The truth is that engine is a piece of junk. I wouldn't touch an Insignia with a 2.0 diesel in it.
The pick up pipe seal is the known fault. But even after rebuilding they are still prone to failure as the crankshaft is also a weakness in them.
Avoid like the plague.

Is it routine to upgrade ECU software during service? Would the customer get an update even if they didn't complain about anything?

GM would not admit in publicly available materials that it was the way they handled problem. It opens a liability can. Because it is not really a safety issue - such as exploding airbags - the probability of a probe into this was minimal.

It's routine if you're a regular to plug her in,for a stranger I say your have to request it( I did with honda silver springs Cork) I knew my car needed software updates as it was a common problem ref insights and basically all honda insights needed 4 updates

chicorytip

Hellrazer wrote:

The truth is that engine is a piece of junk. I wouldn't touch an Insignia with a 2.0 diesel in it. The pick up pipe seal is the known fault. But even after rebuilding they are still prone to failure as the crankshaft is also a weakness in them. Avoid like the plague.

There is no real evidence to back up those claims. A Google search of Insignia problems reveals no references to pick up pipe seals failing whatsoever, only more mundane issues like front brake discs warping.

FR85

Hellrazer wrote: »

Do you not understand?
There was no software update related to the oil pressure switch at all. There never was --its internet hearsay. You keep saying there was and its a big conspiracy from GM yet you cant show me one piece of proof that they released a software to actually cause damage to a car.

Yet even though I have access to GMs technical site I cant even find one piece of software that was related to the fuel pressure system of the Insignia that was released in the last 10 years yet alone one to make an oil pressure light "stay off longer" in order to not have to cover them under warranty.


I said it before and Ill say it again. The issue is down to poor maintenance. You have to remember a lot of these were reps cars that were lucky to be serviced at all never mind on time.

Google Insignia Pick Up Seal/Oil Pump Failure and then say its down to poor maintenance.

Hurrache

chicorytip wrote: »

There is no real evidence to back up those claims. A Google search of Insignia problems reveals no references to pick up pipe seals failing whatsoever, only more mundane issues like front brake discs warping.

I think it's common enough knowledge at this stage, even amongst non affiliated mechanics.

CoBo55

The few insignia fanbois won't be convinced. Time to unfollow..

macnug

Anyone know if the 2015's have the same issue or has it been resolved? sister in law has one.

RINO87

FR85 wrote: »

Some Saabs are prone to the pick up seal going also, I think for some reason its primarily the TTiD. I have one of these and although I got the seal done it still pops up every now and then when starting from cold.

I also had the seal and pump done in my TTiD and still see the oil light flicker the odd time when cold. Pressure switch I wonder?

I was present when the work was being carried out, and saw that it was done to a good standard so I'm not really that bothered by it, but do wonder why I still see it.

I had a good look at the seal on the old pump when it was taken out, thing was rock solid, like it was made of brittle plastic, and was no longer a "seal" really. Lucky it was caught in time

Cordell

Not really caught it time if it was already rock solid and brittle.

dermo2014

This "known" issue was covered in Car Mechanics magazine April 2018 - screenshot attached.