Random EV thoughts.....

maidhc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122849635#Comment_122849635

I lost 8.5k on a 22 rav PHEV traded for 24 one. Was happy with that, and better than any Bev did.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122849901#Comment_122849901

Only if they have since sold them. I bought in 23, and I haven't lost a penny.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850266#Comment_122850266

You did well. What did you trade it for?

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850266#Comment_122850266

Was it 8.5 to change? You did well if so

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850283#Comment_122850283

Well, that is one way to look at it :D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850334#Comment_122850334

It's the only way to look at it, there's no loss unless you sell. I'm an optimist😁

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122849901#Comment_122849901

If you don't like losing then don't gamble

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850347#Comment_122850347

Likewise, this view of cars as an asset is BS. If I can't pay for my groceries with it then it's of limited financial utility

When I've eventually saved enough to buy a new car for cash then I'll complain about depreciation

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850381#Comment_122850381

The 21-23 years car prices went nuts. People were selling cars for more than they bought them for. All cars. Not just EVs.

High priced cars drop the most and it's all in the first few years too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850410#Comment_122850410

Indeed, I also sold a hybrid lexus in 23. It was a year and a half old when I bought it in 2017. 6k loss in 6 years, pure madness.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850347#Comment_122850347

True, but your car is always decreasing in value, whether you sell or not.

You can of course keep your car for 10+ years if you want, but if it craps itself with a major issue, then you are stuck to either fork out a huge sum to repair it or go get another car.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850757#Comment_122850757

Agreed, but the loss is only crystalised when you sell, up until then the loss is theoretical. Markets change, who knows what next year will bring.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850837#Comment_122850837

Thats where cost to change comes into play,

Then you can see how much per year it is costing you, just have the car for a year, sitting in the drive.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850757#Comment_122850757

Or the Greens could win a majority in 2 weeks and immediately ban ICE car sales

The problem with what if games is that the possibilities are endless

appledrop

EV are not easier to drive despite the common perception that they are.

I have a diesel car as long daily commute, my husband has an EV.

My car was in getting serviced so had to drive EV for the day.

I thought it would be great having an automatic car on long commute but it was a nighmare in traffic. The brakes are crap, I barely tip mine and car stops but in EV really had to brake, so I was sweating the whole time stop starting in traffic thinking I would crash into car in front, my husband car is new so nothing wrong with brakes just different in EV.

Now I will admit the automatic was nice on country roads as didn't have go up and down the gears, however that was until the car nearly caused me to crash twice!

On country roads you have to avoid potholes so you come away from side of road( obviously when safe to do so) but stupid car swerved me back into the bloody pothole!

Then there is a big wide road I drive on that's very busy and always loads of cyclists and cars overtake all time rather than wait. So with me on opposite side you have to keep more over in your lane to be safe, the f**king car swerved me this time back into middle of lane nearly into oncoming car.

Now supposedly you can turn that feature off but I swear to god I nearly got down on my hands and knees and kissed my diesel car when I got it back.

Myself and my husband have agreed to disagree, he loves his EV and I love my diesel😂

josip

So you've driven 1 model of EV from 1 brand and you're now able to comment on all models of EV?

Or have I misunderstood something?

Also, the lane assist you describe is not particular to EVs. It's common on modern cars.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850995#Comment_122850995

You can turn the lane keep off(or whatever your car brand calls it). Afaik it now is a requirement for the 5 star rating in the NCAP.

Even the Sportage we had in 2016 had a version of it, but it was "opt in" at that stage rather than opt out now. If you change your car for a new one, it's gonna have it.

As for brakes, every car has a different feeling. Going from car, to amorak, to Polaris ranger, they all have different brake feel.

Buddy Bubs

Every car for sale today has that lane assist, even diesels believe it or not.

Over the years jumping in someone else's car there was always a different feel to the clutch, gearstick and brakes to get used to but it never took long really.

Literally nothing in your post is anything to do with EV? You just drove a new car and didn't like it being different to yours in any way.

Flinty997

I much prefer my EV over my old diesel automatic. Also I can use ACC in traffic which reduces the effort enormously. That said, I assume any decent modern ACC system even in a hybrid would be equally as easy. But the EV also have one pedal driving.

appledrop

Eh this post it titled Random EV thoughts and that's my thoughts that people over hype how easy they are to drive.

Of course every car is different, I've driven plenty of hire cars over the years and I'd probably get used to the EV but I'd never like it.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851131#Comment_122851131

With respect you didn't mention any EV features.

Just an EU safely aid. So actually it's your thoughts about safety features. It's like saying you don't like diesels because the one you drove had ABS or seatbelts.

Granted theres been mixed reception on lane assist. Studies say it helps though. Was the same with seat belts and ABS back in the day.

If you don't want EV don't get one. Don't want lane assist get a car without it.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851240#Comment_122851240

Would agree that the lane assist feature on a Model 3 is a right pita, routinely kicking in without reason, sometimes even when there are no lines on rural roads. It might be less problematic if it only kicked in when actually crossing a solid line but it's too simplisitc to be really useful in the real world when it tries to force you to constantly drive in the middle of a lane.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850410#Comment_122850410

Absolutely, this is especially true when the manufacturer hikes the price by 30% in 2022-23 and then drops down to below 2021 levels

Not even joking, in 2021 a top spec ID.4 cost €56k, next year it cost €68k, this year it costs around €52k for the same spec with a better motor and software that works

So a 2022 car immediately lost €16k before any depreciation started

Flinty997

I don't remember that happening before in the car industry. Not that it won't happen again with EVs though unlikely to be as big of a drop. EVs are a new industry. It was also on the back of Brexit and Lockdown both of which also had a huge effect..

It could happen with ICE if there are legislation changes on emissions. Can't see that happening in Ireland. We are looking like the odd man out in Europe when it comes to diesel.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850995#Comment_122850995

My wife's diesel has much lighter brakes but brake sensitivity varies car to car. Lane keep assist is on all new cars and can be turned off. On many newer cars it automatically turns back on each trip so it's very hard to totally turn it off. Blocking the camera behind the rear view mirror with black tape will permanently disable lane keep assist but there may be legal ramifications if you then crash and you have gone over and above to disable a "safety" system.

Driving any different car requires car, steering may be heavier or lighter, response to the accelerator may be slower or quicker or a pet hate of mine is auto stop start that can turn off the engine just as you enter a roundabout, causing the car to start moving much later when entering a roundabout which can be really dangerous when you are trying to nip out between cars.

One issue with EVs is the multiple settings which impact response such as sport mode makes response quicker, eco makes it slow and regeneration can be turned off and on. This means you can't be sure how the car will respond. My EV even disabled the auto hold feature each time you turn the car off meaning it will creep forward sometimes, but other times will not.

MojoMaker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122850995#Comment_122850995

FUD.

Not sure your angle.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852093#Comment_122852093

Not everything negative about EVs is FUD. Clearly the OP wasn't aware of lane assist or how to turn it off in the car, so nothing specific to EVs there.

The brakes thing has me scratching my head though. The only thing I can think of is that all regen braking is turned off and it's purely reliant on the brakes which may differ a great deal from the OP's diesel car. Also, without any regen braking, EVs coasting are a far different beast from an ICE. The feeling when you release the accelerator can often be like accelerating in comparison to the ICE. So heavier braking is required since there's no engine braking. And if you're used to engine braking in an ICE, you'd have a lighter foot on the brake pedal.

ELM327

The sharp brakes is an interesting comment.

Currently I'm driving my 2000 w210 v6 and 2006 volvo xc90. When I have to drive mrs elm's 2023 Ora I occasionally send myself through the front windscreen.

I could conclude that EV brakes are strong, but a more accurate conclusion is new cars have better brakes than older ones

Flinty997

Modern cars don't always have the best steering or brake feel. New cars with electric steering racks and such.

But it's often also a criticism of some (not all) EVs or Hybrids where transition from regen to braking isn't linear. Not really noticed, but I swap between cars a bit, maybe I'm just used to it.

But even swapping between two ICE cars the brake feel can be very different. Has always been the case.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852580#Comment_122852580

That's true. But differences like that are small enough and wouldn't leave you sweating, especially in slow moving traffic. But I think it would if you had all regen off for lift and coast (a lot of people do this) and weren't used to it. Literally feels like you're speeding up when you let off the accelerator. Takes a lot of getting used to, I tried it for while, but didn't like it for that reason.