Random EV thoughts.....

ELM327

Their SuC network is really well covered. I remember collecting my S in manchester and seeing the amount of SuC sites on the map vs what we have here and being shocked

slave1

So much so they've gone to dynamic pricing now in high demand locations, you pay more at peak, less at night etc

KCross

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/apple-hires-bmw-veteran-in-latest-sign-of-electric-car-push/3101141/


Thats a significant hire coming from Canoo and BMW i3 program.

It will be interesting what they eventually come up with... wont be cheap of course, but they certainly have the money, scale and manufacturing know-how to deliver something good.

unkel

Not just "from" the BMW i team, but actually having led it for a decade until the policies of that imbecile Harald Krüger bullied him away.

Wonder what Apple is up to. Surely it must want to make an EV, not just software. Interesting times!

KCross

KCross wrote: »

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/apple-hires-bmw-veteran-in-latest-sign-of-electric-car-push/3101141/


Thats a significant hire coming from Canoo and BMW i3 program.

It will be interesting what they eventually come up with... wont be cheap of course, but they certainly have the money, scale and manufacturing know-how to deliver something good.

I think you mean:

know-how to deliver something expensive.

McGiver

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Sat down here in Birdhill grabbing a charge before heading home, and on the way in/out of the shop grabbing coffee’s, saw no less that 7 diesel cars/SUV’s sat there idling away while their drivers were munching down their breakfast rolls…….

Fcuk Sake!!!! The sooner we ban those bloody things the better (yes, I also own a diesel car, but it now does less than 600km per year…..)

This should be made an offence. It's an offence in the UK and in most Cont Europe to be idle your engine.
Especially near schools it should be banned, under a very harsh fine. Diesel is poison and idling is disgraceful. One of the local bad habits. Because it never occurred the legislators to ban it.

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

Thats how far the UK are from us now. They have ubiquitous 50kW chargers (I've seen people just pull in to random MSAs assuming they have FCP) and a splattering of 150-350kW.

Yeah I love it when people complain about the UK network

They should come here and see what we have to deal with

Having said that today I charged for 10 mins at Coynes Cross, didn't need to queue and barely had time enough for a bathroom break and to get a drink

Cost me less than a cup of coffee as well, whereas the ICE drivers were putting a decent night out into their fuel tanks

McGiver

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I was at the Cliff's of Moher on Monday, and the guy checking us into the carpark immediately recognised the car as a Tesla so we had a brief chat about EV's (his friend had just recently collected an ID.4). I mentioned that a place like the Cliff's carpark would be an ideal spot for a bank of EV chargers, and he said that a plan was actually in the works to do just that.... so watch this space...

Would make absolute sense for the likes of any touristy attraction type place where folks could easily spend 1-4 hours to have EV chargers there to attract folk in from afar..

Relatively low cost to to install (chargers are free from Tesla), and potentially opening up to more visitors, and for longer periods if the carrot of free charging is dangled, and even if not free, still a great plus if it means people don't need to stop en-route for a charge...

Absolutely. Been saying that.
The whole Wild Atlantic Way, all the tourist spots should all have AC chargers. At least.

If they do it at the Cliffs I'm sure someone will push them to buy some fancy 2x22 kW chargers which are pointless. 4x11 kW is what they need instead. Multiply it by how much money and power they can invest. But it's double the bang for the same buck.

McGiver

unkel wrote: »

This is Ireland and people will sue you. Don't even think about running a cable to your car from your property.

In the UK bmw i3 forum they showed the extension cable over a public pavement and they said it was common. No legal issues.

Different culture though...

innrain

McGiver wrote: »

Absolutely. Been saying that.
The whole Wild Atlantic Way, all the tourist spots should all have AC chargers. At least.

If they do it at the Cliffs I'm sure someone will push them to buy some fancy 2x22 kW chargers which are pointless. 4x11 kW is what they need instead. Multiply it by how much money and power they can invest. But it's double the bang for the same buck.

The problem with 11kW 3 phase is that is carrying 16A and a single ph car would charge with only 3.6kW So the cheaper solution is to provision 32A per phase which goes to 22kW in theory barely used at 100% the best would be to have a load balancing central system that will optimize the charging. When if ever will get to this point in Ireland remains to be seen.
As it stands we're overcharged for everything EV related. I bought an industrial 10m 3ph 32A extension lead for about 100 quid. The equivalent type2 cable is triple.
https://ie.farnell.com/brennenstuhl/1167970/extension-cable-ip44-10m-black/dp/3375204?st=32%20a%203phase%2010%20m

RandomViewer

McGiver wrote: »

Absolutely. Been saying that.
The whole Wild Atlantic Way, all the tourist spots should all have AC chargers. At least.

If they do it at the Cliffs I'm sure someone will push them to buy some fancy 2x22 kW chargers which are pointless. 4x11 kW is what they need instead. Multiply it by how much money and power they can invest. But it's double the bang for the same buck.

They don't want to put bins or porta-loos your chance of chargers are slim, existing petrol station chains will be the likely solution ,

AndyBoBandy

People getting a free charge, will tend to stay somewhere longer providing that place is a nice place to be, and has amenities like snacks and toilets......

No garage/petrol station is a nice place to be..... (though having visited J14/Mayfield on Tuesday, it's actually a really nice MSA).

Another place ideal for it would be Tayto Park, a bank of 10 7kW chargers there would see fantastic use, and encourage folk to visit from beyond their round trip range if they knew they could hook up for 3-4 hours and get 28kWh of juice..... People would stay longer and spend more money... chargers would pay for themselves within days of being installed..

10 chargers at say €500 each (or 5 twin plug chargers), and they probably have their own in house lecky's to install them, and even if not, you're probably talking less than a grand per charger.... peanuts to a place like Tayto Park... pre-book them for a nominal fee of €5, and use them for the duration of your stay at the park.

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

In the UK bmw i3 forum they showed the extension cable over a public pavement and they said it was common. No legal issues.

Different culture though...

As a former UK citizen, I would say the UK is far more litigious than Ireland, but it's been over 15 years since I lived there.

the_amazing_raisin

McGiver wrote: »

In the UK bmw i3 forum they showed the extension cable over a public pavement and they said it was common. No legal issues.

Different culture though...

It's definitely illegal, whether it's tolerated or not is up for debate. I'd say it's one of those situations where authorities won't actually do anything about it until someone falls over and starts threatening legal action

MJohnston

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

It's definitely illegal, whether it's tolerated or not is up for debate. I'd say it's one of those situations where authorities won't actually do anything about it until someone falls over and starts threatening legal action

Can you point to the law that says that this is definitely illegal? It's definitely not in certain councils in the UK

AndyBoBandy

What about one of these?

RandomViewer

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

What about one of these?

They'll go down to the edge and fall over it,you'd need warning signs for 10 metres before the cable and possibly flashing beacons, it's mad what people will claim for,

RandomViewer

MJohnston wrote: »

As a former UK citizen, I would say the UK is far more litigious than Ireland, but it's been over 15 years since I lived there.

Payouts would be smaller

the_amazing_raisin

MJohnston wrote: »

Can you point to the law that says that this is definitely illegal? It's definitely not in certain councils in the UK

I can't, but I did some googling and basically the first thing that came up was a discussion on speak EV. Someone pointed out a law that basically says you can't have a cable across a public road or path, you need to close off that section of pathway

MJohnston

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I can't, but I did some googling and basically the first thing that came up was a discussion on speak EV. Someone pointed out a law that basically says you can't have a cable across a public road or path, you need to close off that section of pathway

That's an international forum, was it a discussion about Irish law? Edit: I'm not trying to 'gotcha' you here, I'm genuinely just curious

the_amazing_raisin

MJohnston wrote: »

That's an international forum, was it a discussion about Irish law? Edit: I'm not trying to 'gotcha' you here, I'm genuinely just curious

No, it was specifically UK law, but our government seem to generally just copy everything they do anyway

I think I looked it up for Ireland and it's the same story, but I honestly can't tell you where I found it. It might have even been over in the DIY forums

silver_sky

On the subject of charge points and cables, has anyone done anything on their drive to avoid those sorts of issues? I was thinking some glow tape or something on the cable. Will have to do something to block people crossing from neighbours (e.g. post, courier) as they'd cross the cable. There's no wall between the driveways unfortunately.

DrPhilG

I'm amazed that nobody has launched themselves over a public charging cable for the purpose of a claim.

There aren't any signs up warning people of a potential trip hazard or anything so I thought it would be an easy target.

No matter how hard you try there is always a bit of hanging cable at either the charger or car end.

AndyBoBandy

DrPhilG wrote: »

I'm amazed that nobody has launched themselves over a public charging cable for the purpose of a claim.

There aren't any signs up warning people of a potential trip hazard or anything so I thought it would be an easy target.

No matter how hard you try there is always a bit of hanging cable at either the charger or car end.

Had AC charging from eCars remained free, I was going to invest in a spring/coiled Type 2 Cable for when parked with the charge port next to the charge unit so as to minimise the cable being on the ground, and keeping its overalls length as short as possible while in use…

the_amazing_raisin

silver_sky wrote: »

On the subject of charge points and cables, has anyone done anything on their drive to avoid those sorts of issues? I was thinking some glow tape or something on the cable. Will have to do something to block people crossing from neighbours (e.g. post, courier) as they'd cross the cable. There's no wall between the driveways unfortunately.

We park the car a little further over so that people tend to just walk on the other side to the cable

Water John

Hyundai Ionic having another recall. This time they are replacing the battery, ouch.

slave1

Water John wrote: »

Hyundai Ionic having another recall. This time they are replacing the battery, ouch.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058163405

Water John

Thanks for that.

The Black Oil

Meanwhile...

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/nyu83s/saw_this_converted_classic_bmw_ev_charging_at_the/

unkel

Gorgeous! Done by the crowd in Wales behind "Vintage Voltage" - we have a thread about them on this forum