Knives Out [Rian Johnson]

Raconteuse

seenitall wrote: »

Do you mean the Hitchcock connection? That'd be fairly tenuous alright.

However, I want a bonus point for the correct spelling of Jamie Lee Curtis' name!

Yep. The Hitchcock blonde mother and former mother in law!

Aw yeah she does spell it with the other Lee!

ShineOn7

Watched this last night to see what all the fuss was about. It was ok, a decent film

But

Martha

absolutely was more involved then most think


From Reddit

She throws the piece of lattice away while she's next to the dog that had it.

She knows dogs fetch.

She only confesses and leads Benoit to the toxicology report after Fran tells her that "Hugh" did it.

Red dime and thin cent is a weird tidbit. Maybe points to Ransom's allowance being a red herring?

The time she vomits alone after lying looks way more deliberate than the others. Probably left there as evidence

Coke cup vomit was definitely (deliberately) within noseshot of Benoit

Ransom learned about Marta's vomiting when she lied in a game of mafia. This means she vomited while denying that she killed somebody.

My house. My rules. My coffee.

"Want some champers?"

"I can't I'm technically working."

Full theory here

https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/etpqtt/knives_out_spoilers_the_real_mastermind_is/

Sugarlumps

Good cast, mediocre and over hyped.

santana75

It was playing in my local again before the cinemas here had to close for a 2nd time so I went along with some friends who had never seen it........what i noticed this time was how tight the screenplay was, the dialogue, the plotting, it's a thing of beauty. I take my hat off to Rian johnson, he made a quality film with this one.

ShineOn7

Any one else, or is it just me and a few on Reddit thinking

Martha

was the mastermind behind it all?

The clues are there

FunLover18

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Any one else, or is it just me and a few on Reddit thinking

Martha

was the mastermind behind it all?

The clues are there

No, they're not. It's such a tight script and plot, I don't know why people are looking for something more within it. I've listened to several interviews with Rian Johnson and I've never heard anything to suggest that there's another reading of the film other than the one he gave us.

johnny_ultimate

TBH it’s likely just people on the Internet overthinking things as usual.

The film works perfectly well without there needing to be some extra hidden layer to it. If anything, I think the whole ‘but what if the mastermind really is someone else!’ theorising does a disservice to how clearly and entertainingly everything ties together just on its own terms.

cdgalwegian

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Any one else, or is it just me and a few on Reddit thinking

Martha

was the mastermind behind it all?

The clues are there

I was initially of this persuasion, but having heard Rian Johnson in interviews, he denies anything beyond what's on show. I do think that it is open to interpretation (with a bit of effort), but as it came from the horse's mouth, it's a non-starter.
An extra layer might have been something Johnson would have tried in the past, but I think he has learned from his previous films not to over-egg the pudding. So any clues pointing to

Martha as the actual killer, are not really clues.

. It's just an extraneous pattern that can emerge if you look for it. In which case the referee here is Johnson, and he denies it.

santana75

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Any one else, or is it just me and a few on Reddit thinking

Martha

was the mastermind behind it all?

The clues are there

I dont get where this comes from in the first place. Its like digging for something thats not there, and to what end? One of the main themes in Knives out is that a kind hearted and decent person will win out ultimately over greedy, petty and duplicitous individuals. Theres a moral to the whole story which would go out the window if those theories the lads on reddit are throwing about, were true.

Agent Coulson

Netflix about to sign a $400m+ deal for Knives Out 2 & 3 with Daniel Craig & Rian Johnson returning as star and director.

Netflix is closing in on a deal to make two sequels to the 2019 hit whodunit Knives Out, which Rian Johnson will direct with Daniel Craig reprising his role as super sleuth Benoit Blanc. Johnson, who wrote the original, has written the sequels and is producing with partner Ram Bergman. Sources said the deal will be worth north of $400 million, making it one of the biggest streamer movie deals in history.

A sequel was expected, but the recent discreet auction that went on between three streamers — Apple and Amazon were the others — was a surprise. How was it possible? The original was acquired in a single picture deal by MRC, which distributed the film through Lionsgate. The first film cost $40 million and turned in a global gross north of $311 million. Owned and licensed by Johnson and Bergman on a picture by picture basis, Johnson and Bergman had the right to make the richest sequel deal they could. It gives Netflix a bonafide event film franchise for its slate. The first picture will begin shooting June 28 in Greece, and casting will begin immediately.

The deal is remarkable, considering Knives Out‘s origins. It happened because Danny Boyle exited the James Bond movie, leaving Craig with some downtime. Johnson, who loved the Agatha Christie whodunits, had one of those in mind, and he and Bergman readied it before Cary Joji Fukunaga came in as 007 director and was ready to shoot No Time To Die, Craig’s swan song as the British secret agent. Knives Out, with a killer cast and a meticulously crafted script, was a crowd pleasing hit that sets up perfectly for more mysteries. This deal should land in the $450 million range.

https://deadline.com/2021/03/knives-out-two-sequels-netflix-400-million-plus-deal-daniel-craig-rian-johnson-ram-bergman-1234724575/

speedboatchase

Another nail in the coffin of cinemas. The original was a surprise hit (the biggest original, non-IP movie since Interstellar) because in recent years the only movies that make hundreds of millions were mega-budget action/superhero movies, CGI animations, some horror movies and musicals. Now its sequels likely won't be seen in cinemas. Big win for Netflix though.

CastorTroy

Made me think to look up when Death on the Nile is due out. Looks like it's pushed back to February

speedboatchase

CastorTroy wrote: »

Made me think to look up when Death on the Nile is due out. Looks like it's pushed back to February

Digitally erasing Armie Hammer takes time!

brevity

speedboatchase wrote: »

Digitally erasing Armie Hammer takes time!

Probably costs an arm and a leg...

brevity

brevity wrote: »

Probably costs an arm and a leg...

Armie Hammer might well like to have same for lunch - allegedly

Tony EH

I consider 'Knives Out' to be not only Rian Johnson's best film, but also the best film of 2019 (and a hell of a bounce back after the pretty awful 'The Last Jedi'). But I can't say that I am that enthused about hearing the plan for sequels. 'Knives Out' works perfectly well as a singular movie, but I am not that bothered in anything more from Benoit Blanc. He's just not that interesting a character.

I suppose if they can get as good a cast for the sequels as they managed to get for the original and wrap it into as compelling a story, there's a chance things could work. But where the first film managed to revitalise well worn concepts and tropes, I fear that the sequels will only be trodding in them.

mikhail

I feel the same reservations. I loved the movie. I hope Johnson has the time and creativity to make something equally good but there's a big danger of diminishing returns. Not everything requires a sequel.

JP Liz V1

It worked well as a once off, great ensemble cast

I'm surprised Craig wanted in on a franchise again after Bond unless also producing

FunLover18

I mean it was inevitable, it was inspired by the likes of Poirot and Marple and Holmes which are all heavily sequelised. That's part of the fun, creating new mysteries and new scenarios and there's actually a lot more scope than with other genres because a sequel to murder mystery doesn't have to go bigger or darker. I can see why Craig is attracted to it, Blanc is a static character, he doesn't need an emotional arc, that's for the characters around him. It's ironic in a way because Bond doesn't need that either.

johnny_ultimate

Johnson has been talking up a sequel since before this was even widely released, so it's clearly something he wants to do rather than just being tempted by a big cheque. Still, delighted he's getting that big cheque as he seems like such a fundamentally sound chap that I only hope has every success. That he still has a pretty much perfect hit rate for me doesn't hurt, so I'll trust his instincts

pixelburp

I'm very conflicted about this news: while Knives Out was one of my films of 2019, the two concerns I have are both traditional and symptomatic of these modern times.

For one, sequels like this rarely work out; often failing to thread the needle between "more of the same" and "a segue into something new". Too much of either and both audiences and critics can quickly disappear. Plus, as much as I loved Craig's turn as Blanc, he was a bit of a terrible detective really (part of his charm I suppose). Something of a cajun Clouseau, albeit without the pratfalls. Not that that makes it impossible to spin a sequel around that, only that for me fed into the singular charm of the original film.

As the other point, the original was a treat in cinemas. Without checking the stats it was, to me, one of those quiet successes that ticked along nicely at the box office without causing too much of a stir. The nature of cinema multiplexes allowed it to have an organic lifespan, mixed with good word of mouth to keep people paying money. It wasn't an immediate, smash hit. That's simply not possible with Netflix's programming strategy: it'll just become another piece of chum in their waters, something loud for about 2 days before getting lost in the currents again.

I thought that this film was over-rated personally or maybe I just didn't overly take to the campy cluedo caper that it was.

Nevertheless would be interested in seeing what the plans are for developing another movie here - hopefully they do something interesting with it.

CastorTroy

Maybe I missed it in the article but did that money just get then the rights to the films are is that also the money to make the film? So do they still have to fund the movie?

sporina

Just finished this movie - really enjoyed it.. just 1 Q - Blanc said "we arrested you so you (Ransom) couldn't make the anonymous call" - I don't rem an anonymous call being mentioned prior to that??

JP Liz V1

CSI KFC 😁

poisonated

I thought it was ok. I wouldn’t watch it again though. This is despite having watched a star is born 6 times haha

fryup

its on tonight on RTE1 @21.30 is it worth a goo or is it pretentious nonsense?😶

pixelburp

It may not be everyone's film of the year, but pretentious, it is not. It's a fantastic whodunnit with a really great cast of characters and central mystery. Very much a crowd pleaser.

Fysh

I mean, if you think a film featuring lines like "what did the masturbating nazi child hear while he was in the bathroom?" is pretentious then that's your call, but personally I just thought it was a really well-scripted and very funny murder mystery with a fantastic cast.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118802942#Comment_118802942

Yes definitely worth a watch, great ensemble and who done it storyline

JP Liz V1

It's on TG4 tonight