Girl (12) whose arm was scalded when tea carried under her elbow spilled settles for

AmberGold

WTF, should have sued her Grandmother for not minding her properly.

These awards need to stopped, having said that it’s a bit hard when the political elite are claiming also.


https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/girl-12-whose-arm-was-scalded-when-tea-carried-under-her-elbow-spilled-settles-for-85k-38270105.html

kneemos

How could she carry two cups and a cookie?

InTheShadows

FG should be leading from the front as an example to our society on these insurance claims but as we all know are sorely lacking in any sort of credibility.

the_pen_turner

Crazy. How is Starbucks in any way responsible. 2 coffees and a cookie. What kind of stupid do you need to be to put the coffee under your arm. She had 2 mildly dangerous items and 2 hands to carry them. Put the cookie in your pocket or ask for a tray.

God help her if she got a job as a waitress where she would have to carry 10 pint glasses or a load of plates etc.

riffmongous

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Crazy. How is Starbucks in any way responsible. 2 coffees and a cookie. What kind of stupid do you need to be to put the coffee under your arm. She had 2 mildly dangerous items and 2 hands to carry them. Put the cookie in your pocket or ask for a tray.

God help her if she got a job as a waitress where she would have to carry 10 pint glasses or a load of plates etc.

I don't think any 12 year old girl is going to be able to carry 10 pints

kneemos

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Crazy. How is Starbucks in any way responsible. 2 coffees and a cookie. What kind of stupid do you need to be to put the coffee under your arm. She had 2 mildly dangerous items and 2 hands to carry them. Put the cookie in your pocket or ask for a tray.

God help her if she got a job as a waitress where she would have to carry 10 pint glasses or a load of plates etc.

2 mildly dangerous items. A kid. Give her a tray.

the_pen_turner

riffmongous wrote: »

I don't think any 12 year old girl is going to be able to carry 10 pints

Maybe in the future. I often see waitresses and waiter carrying 10 pint glasses. Very easy do . 6 on top of each other resting into the curve below your shoulder and 4 in the other hand

the_pen_turner

kneemos wrote: »

2 mildly dangerous items. A kid. Give her a tray.

Would you give a 12 year old a cup of tea. Yes. Most are perfectly capable of not spilling it on themselves

How is this any different. Cups with lids are a lot safer than a normal open cup if used properly

kneemos

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Would you give a 12 year old a cup of tea. Yes. Most are perfectly capable of not spilling it on themselves

How is this any different. Cups with lids are a lot safer than a normal open cup if used properly

She was given two cups and a cookie.
Kids don't have the motor abilities or experience of adults.
You'd have to be an idiot to hand a twelve year old two hot cups and a third item to manage.

Thephantomsmask

Frappucino is a cold coffee, why didn't she stick that under her oxter instead of the hot tea?

hynesie08

Thephantomsmask wrote: »

Frappucino is a cold coffee, why didn't she stick that under her oxter instead of the hot tea?

Because she was 12??

c.p.w.g.w

That's one stupid child...if it were mine I'd have considered it s good lesson on how not to carry hot beverages.

I knew how to carry stuff at 12, if unsure only carry one thing at a time

the_pen_turner

kneemos wrote: »

She was given two cups and a cookie.
Kids don't have the motor abilities or experience of adults.
You'd have to be an idiot to hand a twelve year old two hot cups and a third item to manage.

I see my 2 young cousins and a few cousins kids regularly carry stuff around with2 hands and they are younger than that. Even the smallest one will carry stuff on at a time because she knows she cannot carry 2 together.
I don't see why it's the shops fault that the child picked up 3 things it couldn't handle at one time

Acedia.

How about making two trips to get the three items? That's a lazy man's load she was carrying

is_that_so

Somewhat excessive award but justified case and blindingly obvious she should have been given a tray. What proportion might legal people get out of that?

Spanish Eyes

At this stage it's not that she was awarded damages, that is a given unless there is proof of fraud, it is the amount WTF, €85,000!

FG need to lead from the front on this but bless them, they are embarrassed by the shenanigans of a certain TD.

Plumbthedepths

InTheShadows wrote:

FG should be leading from the front as an example to our society on these insurance claims but as we all know are sorely lacking in any sort of credibility.

Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell, enough said.

branie2

Health and safety

riffmongous

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Maybe in the future. I often see waitresses and waiter carrying 10 pint glasses. Very easy do . 6 on top of each other resting into the curve below your shoulder and 4 in the other hand

Often? I don't think I've ever seen it except with german style handled glasses. When I worked in a pub if you had more than 4 you just took a tray, the girls if they had 3 even

Regardless they all knew how to do it at 12 years old did they?

What an interesting article from the point-of-view of its construction.

The headline is the cost awarded, but it isn't until the fifth and sixth paragraphs we learn that the girl needed immediate medical attention, that she has permanent scarring, and she needed some kind of plastic surgery.

As part of their training, journalists are taught to put at the beginning of the article the most important facts (depending on the publication, this will be either serious facts or just the drama; in this case, drama)

When you look at the actual physical costs to this girl through her permanent scarring, and the fact that all of this could have been avoided by offering her a tray (that's just common sense), it doesn't seem quite so outrageous.

is_that_so

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I see my 2 young cousins and a few cousins kids regularly carry stuff around with2 hands and they are younger than that. Even the smallest one will carry stuff on at a time because she knows she cannot carry 2 together.
I don't see why it's the shops fault that the child picked up 3 things it couldn't handle at one time

If I get two things in my local shop they automatically offer me a bag. It really should be the same here, just part of the customer experience.

is_that_so

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What an interesting article from the point-of-view of its construction.

The headline is the cost awarded, but it isn't until the fifth and sixth paragraphs we learn that the girl needed immediate medical attention, that she has permanent scarring, and she needed some kind of plastic surgery.

As part of their training, journalists are taught to put at the beginning of the article the most important facts (depending on the publication, this will be either serious facts or just the drama; in this case, drama)

When you look at the actual physical costs to this girl through the permanent scarring, and the fact that all of this could have been avoided, it doesn't seem quite so outrageous.

Except where they do compo pieces and they want to stir up the outrage first!

weke wofi

branie2 wrote: »

Health and safety

gone mad

Gatling

is_that_so wrote: »

Somewhat excessive award but justified case and blindingly obvious she should have been given a tray.

And if she turned down the tray or drink carrier ?

gimli2112

Cup in each hand and cookie in mouth, this is not rocket science.

€85K seems a huge offer but it was made by the defendant, not sure why it was in court but I only half read the article as I'm thinking of cookies.

Cryptopagan

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What an interesting article from the point-of-view of its construction.

The headline is the cost awarded, but it isn't until the fifth and sixth paragraphs we learn that the girl needed immediate medical attention, that she has permanent scarring, and she needed some kind of plastic surgery.

As part of their training, journalists are taught to put at the beginning of the article the most important facts (depending on the publication, this will be either serious facts or just the drama; in this case, drama)

When you look at the actual physical costs to this girl through her permanent scarring, and the fact that all of this could have been avoided by offering her a tray (that's just common sense), it doesn't seem quite so outrageous.

That’s horrible to happen to someone at that age.

Cee-Jay-Cee

kneemos wrote: »

She was given two cups and a cookie.
Kids don't have the motor abilities or experience of adults.
You'd have to be an idiot to hand a twelve year old two hot cups and a third item to manage.

I have never been ‘handed’ coffee or cookies, they’re placed on the counter in front of the customer and it’s up to the customer pick them up or ask for a tray or whatever we they need to carry them. If her grandmother was able to walk in to the shop herself then surely she could have carried one of the cups.

Another example of **** in society expecting compensation for their own incompetency/stupidity. In this case the **** are the child’s parents/grandmother.

Cryptopagan

gimli2112 wrote: »

Cup in each hand and cookie in mouth, this is not rocket science.

€85K seems a huge offer but it was made by the defendant, not sure why it was in court but I only half read the article as I'm thinking of cookies.

You’re talking about a child, for christs sake. They do stupid things, which is why adults have to be responsible around them.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Thephantomsmask wrote: »

Frappucino is a cold coffee, why didn't she stick that under her oxter instead of the hot tea?

How would she have been able to claim then???

I am hoping something mildly inconvenient happens to me soon before they close the door on these claims.

I could trip over a lizard in pheonix park or get some sand in my eyes at sandymount...

Cryptopagan

Eliseo Late Archer wrote: »

How would she have been able to claim then???

I am hoping something mildly inconvenient happens to me soon before they close the door on these claims.

I could trip over a lizard in pheonix park or get some sand in my eyes at sandymount...

I’m sure a 12 year old deliberately scalded herself causing permanent scarring to get compo.

gozunda

Most expensive cup of tea in the state?

whisky_galore

The way she carried the tea, what an utter dope of a child. Whatever about motor skills, she was 12. 12, almost a teen, not a toddler for godsakes.

I have done stupid things with hot liquids but never did it enter my head to attempt to screw anyone, not even a giant evil corporation, for my own stupidity.

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

And if she turned down the tray or drink carrier ?

Did you read this somewhere, or have you invented it?

Atoms for Peace

Makes me very angry, two and half years wages for spilling tea on oneself. For frappuccino sake, why bother working.

kneemos

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Makes me very angry, two and half years wages for spilling tea on oneself. For frappuccino sake, why bother working.

Why would it bother you?

Starbucks are paying.

Your Face

I'm not too annoyed at the girl, as its the mother who has pushed the whole thing through the courts.
She named her child Demi, so we all know what's going on.

Kermit.de.frog

kneemos wrote: »

Why would it bother you?

Starbucks are paying.

Are you sure about that?

What do you think happens to premiums when awards like this are handed out?

Plus do you not see the connection between these awards and people's livelihoods being put at risk?

Think you may need some lessons as to how all this ultimately ends with employees, consumers and insurance customers.

suicide_circus

carry a cup of hot tea in a ridiculous manner and scald yourself? 85 grand should make it all better.

kneemos

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

What do you think happens to premiums when awards like this are handed out?

Plus do you not see the connection between these awards and people's livelihoods being put at risk?

Think you may need some lessons as to how all this ultimately ends with employees, consumers and insurance customers.

Starbucks premiums increase.

Pretty sure they can handle this without closing down.

AmberGold

kneemos wrote: »

Starbucks premiums increase.

Pretty sure they can handle this without closing down.

& You are either Maria, Alan or a Troll?

Kermit.de.frog

kneemos wrote: »

Starbucks premiums increase.

Dear god.

Everyone's premiums increase starting with the industry most "at risk".

Why do you think this is such an issue if you think "it's grand, Starbucks will pay"!?

Society pays far more than Starbucks.

:rolleyes:

Gatling

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did you read this somewhere, or have you invented it?

It's a question .


Didn't you read the post at all and see the ?

Gatling

Cafes and restaurants should now refuse under18s on health and safety concerns

Candamir

Cryptopagan wrote: »

You’re talking about a child, for christs sake. They do stupid things, which is why adults have to be responsible around them.

Agree with you. In this case, the child was being supervised by an adult - her grandmother. The discussion in court put the percentage of contributory negligence at 20 -25%. Id argue it was much greater than that, on the grandmothers part. That’s the biggest issue I’d have with this award.

Odyssey 2005

An up and coming FG TD. Watch this space.

Odyssey 2005

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Crazy. How is Starbucks in any way responsible. 2 coffees and a cookie. What kind of stupid do you need to be to put the coffee under your arm. She had 2 mildly dangerous items and 2 hands to carry them. Put the cookie in your pocket or ask for a tray.

God help her if she got a job as a waitress where she would have to carry 10 pint glasses or a load of plates etc.

She'll never have to work as a waitress. Easier ways to get money

Odyssey 2005

Thephantomsmask wrote: »

Frappucino is a cold coffee, why didn't she stick that under her oxter instead of the hot tea?

No money in that !!

kneemos

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Dear god.

Everyone's premiums increase starting with the industry most "at risk".

Why do you think this is such an issue if you think "it's grand, Starbucks will pay"!?

Society pays far more than Starbucks.

:rolleyes:

Shame on Starbucks then.

paulbok

hynesie08 wrote: »

Because she was 12??

Yes, 12. Not 6.
Well old enough that she should have some cop on.

McCrack

whisky_galore wrote: »

The way she carried the tea, what an utter dope of a child. Whatever about motor skills, she was 12. 12, almost a teen, not a toddler for godsakes.

I have done stupid things with hot liquids but never did it enter my head to attempt to screw anyone, not even a giant evil corporation, for my own stupidity.

More fool you

knipex

kneemos wrote: »

She was given two cups and a cookie.
Kids don't have the motor abilities or experience of adults.
You'd have to be an idiot to hand a twelve year old two hot cups and a third item to manage.

I have an 11 year old and an 8 year old. Neither of them would do something that stupid. put the cookie in their pocket or on top of the tea, or worst case 2 trips.

Anyway what adult was with the child ?? How is it Starbucks responsibility to ensure that your child is capable of collecting your order, if you sent them up for it then you made that decision not them..