Why is breastfeeding in public acceptable?

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

The mods will be marching in here two abreast before you know it.

Maybe ever 12 of them even? Sounds mad dozen tit?

Sorry I am milking this now. I have no idea what the Quan-titties will be.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who mentioned homophobia? I didn't. I just accurately described a conversation that was once had by people on boards. I had forgotten who to be honest. No more than that. You brought the rest into it not me. I said nothing of motivations. You did.

That is the point I was making yes - hence the comparison. For the most part when someone has an issue with the activities of others in a place like a cafe or restaurant - the issue is theirs. Not the people engaged in the activities.

There are some people - thankfully few - who feel they deserve to be protected from their own issues. That the people breast feeding or holding hands need to be moved - asked to stop - or even asked to leave.

But for the most part that is not so - or at least should not be so. As I said I am disgusted by the sight of unwashed greasy spotty teens fitting as much popcorn as they can into their hand - and then trying to fit all of it into their face in one go.

I realise that is my problem. I realise if I go to a cinema - especially before water shed - I am likely to see it. I realise it is absurd of me to call the staff and ask them to get the person offending me to move or leave or alter that behaviour.

Would that certain people I could name - the OP among them - realised that too.

They aren't - that is just your spin on it. They are both doing the same thing - that does not mean one is "acting like" the other and more than teens walking into supermacs on their legs - and me walking into a restaurant on my legs - means I am acting like teens in supermacs either.

Many people from many groups happen to do the same things. The "One is acting like the other" schtick is just spin you are putting on it.

And you can spin it whatever way you like and all, people are entitled to complain when they are not receiving a standard of service they expect be it from a restaurant or from the cinema or any other establishment. You think it’s absurd that people expect management to address the issue that’s causing them discomfort. I would call it customer service.

myshirt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe ever 12 of them even? Sounds mad dozen tit?

Sorry I am milking this now.

With great boobs comes great responsibility. Or should I say responsibilititty.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And you can spin it whatever way you like and all, people are entitled to complain when they are not receiving a standard of service they expect be it from a restaurant or from the cinema or any other establishment. You think it’s absurd that people expect management to address the issue that’s causing them discomfort. I would call it customer service.

I think it is absurd that you would expect management to ask two people to stop holding hands.

EmmetSpiceland

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think it is absurd that you would expect management to ask two people to stop holding hands.

Don’t misrepresent him there, it’s only the gay people holding hands he’s got an issue with.

One eyed Jack

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And you can spin it whatever way you like and all, people are entitled to complain

I would never claim otherwise - nor did I. You or anyone can complain all you want. That does not mean your complaint is well founded or justified however. That is what I would be commenting on - nothing to do with your entitlements to complain at all.

The spin is all yours really such as - as I pointed out - taking two groups doing the same thing and putting a "A is acting like B" spin on it.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You think it’s absurd that people expect management to address the issue that’s causing them discomfort.

Conversation probably more productive if I tell _you_ what I think rather than you telling me what I think.

What I think is that whether it is absurd or not is _entirely_ dependent on whether what they are _actually_ complaining about is absurd or not. Nothing to do with them complaining in general about an issue that is causing them discomfort - that is ok with me as a concept - it is specifically _what_ The issue is that would indicate the absurdity levels.

Going to a place where people eat - and complaining because the baby is eating - that is in the absurdity bracket for me.

Going to a place strongly associated with romance - and complaining because people there are displaying affection - yup same bracket.

Going to a place where people eat enormous quantities of popcorn - and complaining because people there are doing so - I would be right there in that bracket too.

Going to a place frequented by cyclists and moaning that the obese people look disgusting squeezed into lyrca - I would consider myself absurd for that too.

The list goes on.

amcalester

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And you can spin it whatever way you like and all, people are entitled to complain when they are not receiving a standard of service they expect be it from a restaurant or from the cinema or any other establishment. You think it’s absurd that people expect management to address the issue that’s causing them discomfort. I would call it customer service.

The standard of service doesn't extend to patrons going about their business in a way that most people would not find offensive.

I've worked in a few bars, restaurants and hotels during my 20's and if a customer complained about a woman breastfeeding or 2 men holding hands, that customer would be told the issue is theirs and if they want to leave over it I understood.

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

With great boobs comes great responsibility.

Ok that one was a bit forced I bet you can do better. Save the breast till last and all that?

Rack them up!

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think it is absurd that you would expect management to ask two people to stop holding hands.

I think it’s absurd that adults feel a need to hold hands in public, different standards is all. If an establishment chooses not to take my complaint seriously (hasn’t happened yet to be fair), then I would simply refuse to give them my business.

Their restaurant, their rules of course. I don’t expect that I should be able to go into a vegan restaurant and expect the management to order their staff to bring me a meat dish. That being said, I’ve never been in a vegan restaurant so I don’t even know would they do that. It would be expecting a bit much I think.

But adults behaving like teenagers when I’m trying to enjoy my food having paid for the experience I expect, I’m entitled to complain when that experience is below my expectations.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I think it’s absurd that adults feel a need to hold hands in public, different standards is all. If an establishment chooses not to take my complaint seriously (hasn’t happened yet to be fair), then I would simply refuse to give them my business.

Their restaurant, their rules of course. I don’t expect that I should be able to go into a vegan restaurant and expect the management to order their staff to bring me a meat dish. That being said, I’ve never been in a vegan restaurant so I don’t even know would they do that. It would be expecting a bit much I think.

But adults behaving like teenagers when I’m trying to enjoy my food having paid for the experience I expect, I’m entitled to complain when that experience is below my expectations.

Of course you are entitled to complain. and the people you are complaining about are just as entitled to tell you to do one.

ohnonotgmail

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Don’t misrepresent him there, it’s only the gay people holding hands he’s got an issue with.

fair point, well made.

the beer revolu

One eyed jack, do you seriously have a problem with a couple holding hands in a restaurant? Really?

I don't enjoy watching couples pawing each other constantly, canoodling and snogging in a bar or restaurant but holding hands? Seriously?

Can someone, please, link to this thread.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Of course you are entitled to complain. and the people you are complaining about are just as entitled to tell you to do one.

Well, they’re as entitled as I am to make a complaint to management if their expectations of their dining experience are not met. They can of course express themselves directly to me, but that’s likely to have them ejected from the establishment while I finish my meal.

EDIT: I would expect anyone who chose to confront a woman breastfeeding her child would be ejected just as quickly.

ZilkyG

OMM 0000 wrote: »

If you don't think about it in a black and white way, then it becomes easy to see why one is acceptable and one isn't, even though they're both "natural".

****ting is unhygienic and spreads disease, whereas breast feeding is harmless.

If you want to change your question to something like "why is it legal for men to walk around topless, but not women", then I think you'd have a more reasonable point.

I think you missed the point of my argument, but good lad.

jimgoose

It's a disgrace, Joe. There's tits everywhere - everywhere I tells ya, and I'm blind from all this feckin' milk being squirted quite randomly into my eye as I walk down the road minding my own business. It's just as well I don't have an actual problem with women's breasts or there'd be trouble.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well, they’re as entitled as I am to make a complaint to management if their expectations of their dining experience are not met. They can of course express themselves directly to me, but that’s likely to have them ejected from the establishment while I finish my meal.

EDIT: I would expect anyone who chose to confront a woman breastfeeding her child would be ejected just as quickly.

why would they want to express themselves to you directly? You complain to the manager, the manager talks to them, they tell the manager to tell you to do one. happy days.

One eyed Jack

One eyed Jack wrote: »

But adults behaving like teenagers

Again - they aren't. Both groups happen to do something similar. That does not mean group A is acting like B any more than it means group B is acting like A.

When you enter a restaurant and go to a table I suspect you use your legs. When a teen enters supermacs and goes to a table they use their legs too. That is what both groups _do_. Does that mean "adults are behaving like teenagers?". Or - why does that phrase only apply to things _you_ dislike?

In fact if it _were_ to be either then I expect you have it exactly backwards. Youths tends to emulate adults not the other way around. Some kids start to smoke for example because it is a forbidden _adult_ pursuit that they think makes them look cool for that reason.

So if anything - though as I said I think it is neither at all - I would say it is the teens holding hands are behaving like adults not the other way around.

jimgoose

jimgoose wrote: »

I'm blind from all this feckin' milk being squirted quite randomly into my eye

I have comedic impulses that I tend to surpres because I realise they are only funny in my head and would not be funny if I actually did it or said it.

But one of them once was sitting in a cafe with friends near a breast feeding woman and my coffee drinking friends realised our milk jug was empty.

I only _just_ stopped myself from taking one of their cups - leaning over to the woman - and saying "Sorry to bother you but - Would you mind terribly?".

maxsmum

Why is buying tins of reconstituted milk meant for a calf and processed into a powder then to be made up with hot water to kill bacteria and sterilised plastic bottles and feeding that to your newborn acceptable - when your breasts make a perfect formula with all the nutrients the baby needs at the exact temperature sterile and ready to go?

ZilkyG

maxsmum wrote: »

Why is buying tins of reconstituted milk meant for a calf and processed into a powder then to be made up with hot water to kill bacteria and sterilised plastic bottles and feeding that to your newborn acceptable - when your breasts make a perfect formula with all the nutrients the baby needs at the exact temperature sterile and ready to go?

Read the original question again please.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would they want to express themselves to you directly? You complain to the manager, the manager talks to them, they tell the manager to tell you to do one. happy days.

I thought that’s what you meant when you said they were entitled to tell me to do one is all.

I’m not disputing the fact either that the manager is entitled to tell me to do one, just as they are entitled to tell the people spoiling my dining experience to do one. Depends entirely of course on the management of the establishment how they choose to run their business and the type of clientele they want to provide a service to.

I’m all for businesses maintaining the right to refuse service to anyone they choose to for whatever their reasons are, or to eject someone from their establishment if they choose to for whatever their reasons are without offering the person or persons causing offence an explanation.

barneystinson

Bob Harris wrote: »

Is there something wrong with me that I read the censored word as squirting?

Yes, because there aren’t enough asterisks for it to be squirting...

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So if anything...

So if anything you’re still grasping at straws to milk a withered argument. Time to let go tax, let go dammit :pac:

Mrs OBumble

maxsmum wrote: »

Why is buying tins of reconstituted milk meant for a calf and processed into a powder then to be made up with hot water to kill bacteria and sterilised plastic bottles and feeding that to your newborn acceptable - when your breasts make a perfect formula with all the nutrients the baby needs at the exact temperature sterile and ready to go?

Exactly. Breastfeeding is far more acceptable than artificial feeding.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3725576/amp/Breastfeeding-mother-squirted-boob-woman-complained.html

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I thought that’s what you meant when you said they were entitled to tell me to do one is all.

I’m not disputing the fact either that the manager is entitled to tell me to do one, just as they are entitled to tell the people spoiling my dining experience to do one. Depends entirely of course on the management of the establishment how they choose to run their business and the type of clientele they want to provide a service to.

I’m all for businesses maintaining the right to refuse service to anyone they choose to for whatever their reasons are, or to eject someone from their establishment if they choose to for whatever their reasons are without offering the person or persons causing offence an explanation.

If you think a manager will throw people out for holding hands you are delusional.

jimgoose

bluewolf wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3725576/amp/Breastfeeding-mother-squirted-boob-woman-complained.html

So now - let that be a warning! :pac:

One eyed Jack

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So if anything you’re still grasping at straws to milk a withered argument. Time to let go tax, let go dammit :pac:

Well that was a complete non-reply for sure.

How very BRA-zen.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If you think a manager will throw people out for holding hands you are delusional.

Our experiences differ.

Who would have thought it, or am I delusional if I thought that too? :rolleyes:

EDIT: Hell I don’t even have to argue my own experiences which differ from yours because the subject of that thread was a complaint from a couple who were ejected from a restaurant for holding hands!

Plumbthedepths

maxsmum wrote:

Why is buying tins of reconstituted milk meant for a calf and processed into a powder then to be made up with hot water to kill bacteria and sterilised plastic bottles and feeding that to your newborn acceptable - when your breasts make a perfect formula with all the nutrients the baby needs at the exact temperature sterile and ready to go?

It's not but clever marketing but attitudes like the OP's for years have made it acceptable, thankfully it's changing.