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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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    #8972
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It reads like a '' Prison'' defence you'd see on boards over a ban .

    Jeez, if someone wrote something like that in the Prison, they'd be banned forever!


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    #8973
    TomOnBoard
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    On MSN. Rick Gates given 45 days in prison for lying to FBI and conspiracy to hide income from his and Paul Manafort's lobbying work in Ukraine.

    He seemed to get glowing support from the Prosecution on account of the amount of help that he gave them, INCLUDING in respect of some cases not yet finalised.
    I reckon that's an interesting nugget!


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    #8974
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,543 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    He seemed to get glowing support from the Prosecution on account of the amount of help that he gave them, INCLUDING in respect of some cases not yet finalised.
    I reckon that's and interesting nugget!

    Low tariff plus time in pre-sentence custody, some-one's been a model prisoner. Looking at everlast75's post above, he's not the only good federal prisoner.


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    #8975
    everlast75
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    The same judge will be dealing with Stone in January.

    It is good to see that she gave Gates more than the prosecutors asked for. Hopefully the same happens come January.


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    #8976
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    just highlights how political the legal system is in the US.
    crazy stuff


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    #8977
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,139 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    everlast75 wrote: »
    The same judge will be dealing with Stone in January.

    It is good to see that she gave Gates more than the prosecutors asked for. Hopefully the same happens come January.

    Yeah Stone's crimes are far more serious, not to mention his contempt shown to the judge during the trial


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    #8978
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    House of Representatives just getting going on approving articles of Impeachment. Already 1 GOP motion to adjourn, defeated by voice vote but yea & nay's asked for. There's bound to be more shenanigans. Newsies saying 6-7 hour session day.


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    #8979
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    A pertinent clip from 2014 and what Trump thinks of impeachment...


    https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1207313493952802816?s=19


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    #8980
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭amandstu


    everlast75 wrote: »
    A pertinent clip from 2014 and what Trump thinks of impeachment...


    https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1207313493952802816?s=19
    "Empty vessels." Does anything Trump says stand up except for marshalling bile?


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    #8981
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    I'm watching this now for the rest of the day. It's not often that history is made, and I'm going to be glued to it...

    So, if there's a fire, I'm not available...


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    #8982
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Republicans just totally avoid the facts and indulge in hand-wringing about how outrageous this all is. And it's working.


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    #8983
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Republicans just totally avoid the facts and indulge in hand-wringing about how outrageous this all is. And it's working.

    Doesn't seem like it's 'working.' They've got nothing. They refuse to defend. They just parrot what the WH is telling them.

    It's all pretty depressing to watch. Some Republican getting up and saying 'Of course he's guilty, I'm voting to impeach can we send out for lunch now?' would be way more watchable.


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    #8984
    TomOnBoard
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    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Republicans just totally avoid the facts and indulge in hand-wringing about how outrageous this all is. And it's working.

    Its coming across very badly though for anyone who is interested enough to be persuadable. I like Nadler's little 5 and 10 second push backs to some of the more ridiculous faffing about from the Reps... And who could compare Pelosi's Constitutional call to arms with the pathetic ongoing whinging of Doug Collins???


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    #8985
    pixelburp
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    Is it too soon to know how the numbers are stacking up for the vote? 538 ran its own guess at likely folks to cross the aisle - democrat and republican - and seems like there are a few potentials in the GOP who might vote to impeach, although unlikely to make a difference.


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    #8986
    hotmail.com
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    Why is the media giving the impression that this impeachment circus will actually end up in Trump being forced out?

    One wonders what other rubbish they would be saying about this farcical presidency had this Impeachment circus not happened.


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    #8987
    RickBlaine
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    Do we know what time we can expect the actual vote?


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    #8988
    TomOnBoard
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    RickBlaine wrote: »
    Do we know what time we can expect the actual vote?

    I think they had agreed 6 hours for debate, but Reps are likely to play procedural games towards the end of the debate so I'd say it could drag on ...


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    #8989
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    I'm no fan of the Democrats but it's their duty, (and that of any ethical Republican) to call for Trump's impeachment. He's making a mockery of their system. Even though this will go nowhere, in the least it might give others pause for thought and the U.S. can look back in years to come and see some had ethics.


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    #8990
    woohoo!!!
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    Trump winning in 2020 but Dems winning both Congress and Senate would be fun.


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    #8991
    StringerBell
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Why is the media giving the impression that this impeachment circus will actually end up in Trump being forced out?

    One wonders what other rubbish they would be saying about this farcical presidency had this Impeachment circus not happened.

    What media are you watching?

    I can't say I've seen anything to say he will be removed, anything I've seen says he won't be removed because the republicans are simply power hungry cowards who will not vote against him out of fear and self serving politics. McConnell has confirmed already he will not be removed, under any circumstance. Impartial jury right, the only circus is that. That it is allowed to happen and that Moscow Mitch can say these things with a straight face and not be impeached himself for breach his oath of office. The United States is a republic, not a kingdom.

    On a wider note, I understand what your thing is here. I do, I get it. I would only suggest you up your game slightly when it comes to the actual trial.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #8992
    StringerBell
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    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Trump winning in 2020 but Dems winning both Congress and Senate would be fun.

    If I was a democrat I would take that trade all day every day

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #8993
    TomOnBoard
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    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Trump winning in 2020 but Dems winning both Congress and Senate would be fun.

    This is currently a highly probable scenario! That said, it won't be much fun to watch a formerly Constitutional Republic eat itself up on the way to its death as an empire!

    Putin, Xi and the other bullies had better get a full health check before the election in 2020, to ensure they don't fall over from un-controlled joy as Trump presides over the Death of a Nation!


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    #8994
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    An interesting and funny suggestion


    https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1207370566321106945?s=19


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    #8995
    Itssoeasy
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    Adam Schiff is doing well here.


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    #8996
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,032 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    StringerBell wrote: »
    What media are you watching?

    I can't say I've seen anything to say he will be removed, anything I've seen says he won't be removed because the republicans are simply power hungry cowards who will not vote against him out of fear and self serving politics. McConnell has confirmed already he will not be removed, under any circumstance. Impartial jury right, the only circus is that. That it is allowed to happen and that Moscow Mitch can say these things with a straight face and not be impeached himself for breach his oath of office. The United States is a republic, not a kingdom.

    On a wider note, I understand what your thing is here. I do, I get it. I would only suggest you up your game slightly when it comes to the actual trial.

    Oh I'm not defending Trump. The usual response on here whenever you say anything different.

    The media is giving the impression that this is historic and extraordinary. It's neither of those things - he will be president next week and no one will be affected by this.


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    #8997
    pixelburp
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Oh I'm not defending Trump. The usual response on here whenever you say anything different.

    The media is giving the impression that this is historic and extraordinary. It's neither of those things - he will be president next week and no one will be affected by this.

    It's only the fourth time in hundreds of years of governance a US President has been impeached, I think that classifies as historic and extraordinary, no? Think it's a little disingenuous to ignore the significance of this in a political sense, so of course the media are going to be all over this. Cmon, this isn't nothing, even if the outcome is known (which in of itself speaks volumes politically)


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    #8998
    hotmail.com
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    It's only the fourth time in hundreds of years of governance a US President has been impeached, I think that classifies as historic and extraordinary, no? Think it's a little disingenuous to ignore the significance of this in a political sense, so of course the media are going to be all over this. Cmon, this isn't nothing, even if the outcome is known (which in of itself speaks volumes politically)

    I respectfully disagree. And I can guarantee you that outside of the Trump nut jobs that follow his every move to praise or criticise, most in the US have not given this circus a second thought.

    In Ireland, many are puzzled at the context of these impeachments. US presidents from Nixon to Clinton to Obama can sanction mass bombing and this doesn't warrant impeachement.


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    #8999
    prawnsambo
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    hotmail.com wrote: »

    In Ireland, many are puzzled at the context of these impeachments. US presidents from Nixon to Clinton to Obama can sanction mass bombing and this doesn't warrant impeachement.
    Is this a serious comparison? Where's the constitutional breach?


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    #9000
    hotmail.com
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Is this a serious comparison? Where's the constitutional breach?

    This is the point... killing people in mass bombing isn't unconstitutional and is usually supported by both parties in America. Depressing state of affairs.


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    #9001
    duploelabs
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    hotmail.com wrote: »

    In Ireland, many are puzzled at the context of these impeachments. US presidents from Nixon to Clinton to Obama can sanction mass bombing and this doesn't warrant impeachement.
    Part of the articles of impeachment against Nixon was for illegal bombing of Cambodia no?


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