Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

AtomicHorror

StringerBell wrote: »

If you were to offer the democrats the Congress, both houses, or the presidency I think a lot would quietly be content to take control of both houses and pin Trump in for the last term of his presidency. He is doing damage for sure but nothing compared to what a more competent deal maker could do and getting rid of the likes of Mitch and Graham etc, taking control of Congress could pay bigger dividends for the party.

Of course it can't be said out loud too much though.

Trump would spend 4 years writing executive orders and abusing his veto, then blaming any negative consequences on a Congress he'll paint as "do-nothing" whenever he blocks them, and radical leftist whenever something somehow passes.

robinph wrote: »

That just shows that the Secret Service is still functioning correctly and the embedded journalists who fly on Air Force One are still following normal procedures about keeping their mouths shut at appropriate times.

Pretty certain that they have done the same story multiple times before around Thanksgiving for Bush II and Obama.

The only "master stroke" is that the Secret Service managed to remove Twitter access from Trump for a few hours.

Nah, that's easy. Tell him the ratings will be great. You can do anything.

StringerBell

He already tries to bully and bluster, he already complains and whines more than anybody else I've ever seen held up as a strong leader. He already has turned his WH into a propaganda machine.

Not everything can be done by executive order, especially if you have nothing in the Congress.

Is it perfect? Is it the ideal outcome? No. I would stand by it though that plenty of Dems would be quite happy with the outcome and on balance it may be better for the party to control the Congress fully rather than have their own president constantly hamstrung by McConnell, again.

aloyisious

robinph wrote: »

That just shows that the Secret Service is still functioning correctly and the embedded journalists who fly on Air Force One are still following normal procedures about keeping their mouths shut at appropriate times.

Pretty certain that they have done the same story multiple times before around Thanksgiving for Bush II and Obama.

The only "master stroke" is that the Secret Service managed to remove Twitter access from Trump for a few hours.

I was reckoning that the move was a change in tactics by some-one to change the polls in Don's favour, that some-one on his side had persuaded him to pay attention to the reality of the unfavourable polls, and got the same message over to Tucker and Rudy that they had better believe the polls and not their own B/S for once and that was the reason for both Don and Mike trips abroad. The timing of thanksgiving was fortunate for them. If one was to take the foreign visits of former presidents as an example of trips to troops in the field into account, then the current trips would have been easily foreseeable and risky regardless of Secret Service and the embedded media keeping their mouths shut.

Gbear

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republicans-say-trump-is-a-better-president-than-lincoln-919915/

So apparently more than half of Republicans believe Trump is a better president than Lincoln.

According to a new weekly tracking poll from the Economist/YouGov, a majority of Republicans prefer President Donald Trump over former President Abraham Lincoln. Yep, you read that right.

The poll, which surveyed 1,500 Americans, showed Republicans favoring Trump over Lincoln by 6 percentage points, 53 to 47. But the same poll gave us hope that not all Americans have lost their minds, with a total of 75 percent saying that Lincoln was indeed the better leader.

I'd want to see a bit more a specific survey of pure Republicans in those numbers, because if it's, say, 650 Republicans, and we're not sure how the respondents were chosen, that's maybe a little on the low side to be perfectly accurate, but even if it was off by 50%, it would still be a shambolic statistic.

It's genuine cultishness. The least intelligent and educated, and most fanatically religious (and white, because the similar, smaller, non-white segments probably barely vote or vote Democrat) quarter of the US population are either so totally ignorant of who Lincoln is, don't understand the nature of facts or are genuinely insane enough to answer the question in that fashion, and they'll be dutifully voting next November.

It's mindblowing stuff trying to imagine how we can solve the great problems we face as a society when there's such a force of oblivious self-destruction present in the world.

26000 Elephants

Gbear wrote: »

So apparently more than half of Republicans believe Trump is a better president than Lincoln.

Fair play to Dan Rather, he burnt that notion to the ground with his quip that 'Honest Abe had a pretty weak Twitter game'

Honest being the operative word.

TomOnBoard

The Judiciary Committee starts Impeachment hearings this week on foot of the Intelligence Committee report on the Ukraine-related dealings by Trump and the Administration that is to be delivered tomorrow (Monday).

The 1st day's Judiciary hearings (estimated Tuesday) will deal with the Constitutional and Historical rationale for impeachment, intended to act as a touchstone against which the Intelligence Committee's report on Ukraine matters can be judged, as well as any other issue that may give rise to Articles of Impeachment.

It ought to be an educational and interesting week. I struggle to see how the Reps on the Judiciary Committee will act this week. I suspect that Doug Collins has a strategy to basically ignore the Intelligence Committee report and focus on the Republicans' complaints about "fair process" and the lack of a basis for the Impeachment investigation itself. No doubt, he will be accompanied in his bluster by Messrs. Jordan, Gaetz, Gohmert et. al. Collins has already indicated that he will want to call Adam Schiff as a witness. It will also be interesting to see how that plays out...

Edit: I see from the wires that the White House has advised Nadler that it will refuse to participate in Wednesday's hearings. Cipollone is still blanking the process on behalf of Trump and the Administration..

Penn

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Edit: I see from the wires that the White House has advised Nadler that it will refuse to participate in Wednesday's hearings. Cipollone is still blanking the process on behalf of Trump and the Administration..

It's amazing. They spent all of the last set of hearings complaining that they weren't allowed to be involved, and now that they're invited to to be involved, they refuse. I thought it could end up being a sh*tshow if they did, but looks like calling their bluff worked perfectly.

woohoo!!!

Don being don back in the 80s

https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/1201211488532336640?s=19

26000 Elephants

Trumps bailout to farmers (as a result of his asinine trade wars) are set to top $28bn by the end of the year *at least*. To put that In perspective, the net total cost of the auto industry bailout in 2009 was just $12bn, having mostly been paid back at this stage.

Other interesting point: 70% of bailout funds have miraculously gone to - you guessed it - just 10% of the biggest corporate 'farms'. Thank god for that: I dont know how Trump supporters would have handled the charges of Trump being a socialist! Tax the ordinary workers to subsidise big business.

marno21

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Trumps bailout to farmers (as a result of his asinine trade wars) are set to top $28bn by the end of the year *at least*. To put that In perspective, the net total cost of the auto industry bailout in 2009 was just $12bn, having mostly been paid back at this stage.

Hmm, not too long ago he was telling us at a rally that “the Democrats want to raid Medicare to pay for socialism”

Is socialism a bipartisan thing now?

26000 Elephants

marno21 wrote: »

Hmm, not too long ago he was telling us at a rally that “the Democrats want to raid Medicare to pay for socialism”

Is socialism a bipartisan thing now?

I think the trick is not to call it socialism, and to limit it to big business. That way, millionaire businessmen like Rep. Grassley can claim state handouts of almost a million dollars, while at the same time cutting billions in social security and Medicaid for the poor. It's a handy trick, but it does require a colossal level of stupidity from your supporters for it to go unnoticed.

eire4

26000 Elephants wrote: »

I think the trick is not to call it socialism, and to limit it to big business. That way, millionaire businessmen like Rep. Grassley can claim state handouts of almost a million dollars, while at the same time cutting billions in social security and Medicaid for the poor. It's a handy trick, but it does require a colossal level of stupidity from your supporters for it to go unnoticed.

Ahh they have that covered with the old distraction tactic of giving the poor they are shafting economically someone to hate instead so they feel good. Be if colour of skin, immigrants, religion, sexual orientation, abortion etc the politics of hate and fear have managed to keep the US poor in line to their masters so far and if that is any doubt a little gerrymandering, voter suppression etc goes a long way too.

everlast75

Do you remember all those days ago Tucker said he was joking about taking Russia's side...



https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1201674758158352385?s=19

marno21

everlast75 wrote: »

Do you remember all those days ago Tucker said he was joking about taking Russia's side...



https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1201674758158352385?s=19

And sure look at Gym Jordan grinning away

That wasn’t all from last nights show. Vladimir Putin “for all his faults” doesn’t hate America as much as some in the media

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1201671060376174592

Being American state TV isn’t enough anymore

Beechwoodspark

RTÉ saying corbyn and khan will possibly meet trump this evening in London.

Quin_Dub

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

RTÉ saying corbyn and khan will possibly meet trump this evening in London.

Interesting , other reports are that Johnson is doing his absolute best to avoid being seen with him before the election. No formal sit down planned at all.

Professor Moriarty

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

RTÉ saying corbyn and khan will possibly meet trump this evening in London.

That's so that they can come out of the meeting and say they tore into him.

Penn

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That's so that they can come out of the meeting and say they tore into him.

It's a smart enough move from Corbyn if he does meet him. If Corbyn says he told Trump that if he becomes PM the NHS will never be part of any trade deal, and Trump starts tweeting in support of Boris, Corbyn can use that to show that Trump wants Boris as PM because he wants to go for the NHS.

everlast75

Schiff was on Maddow last night. They were discussing the released 302s from the FOI request from Buzzfeed.

In Cohen's, he said that Jay Seculow advised him on material to leave out of the evidence to congress. Schiff confirmed that they were investigating whether Seculow suborned perjury.

Wouldn't it be incredible if Seculow is the third personal lawyer for Trump to receive a sentence (Rudy's being fairly imminent)

Professor Moriarty

Penn wrote: »

It's a smart enough move from Corbyn if he does meet him. If Corbyn says he told Trump that if he becomes PM the NHS will never be part of any trade deal, and Trump starts tweeting in support of Boris, Corbyn can use that to show that Trump wants Boris as PM because he wants to go for the NHS.

I'd say Johnson has him well schooled. Trump this morning said that he "has no thoughts on the election" and "wouldn't take the NHS on a silver platter".

Call me Al

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd say Johnson has him well schooled. Trump this morning said that he "has no thoughts on the election" and "wouldn't take the NHS on a silver platter".

You think? I reckon one perceived slight on Trump's part could ricochet the reporting of this meeting in any direction.

Christy42

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd say Johnson has him well schooled. Trump this morning said that he "has no thoughts on the election" and "wouldn't take the NHS on a silver platter".

Honestly what are the odds of Trump remembering that? He already said he would buy it and then tracked back saying he didn't know what it was.

In that particular case both Trump telling the truth or losing are worrying.

Plus when his base are cheering at a rally he will say whatever will get him cheers. Other people be damned.

Professor Moriarty

Call me Al wrote: »

You think? I reckon one perceived slight on Trump's part could ricochet the reporting of this meeting in any direction.

I think that even if Trump behaves like a cross between Buddha, Mother Theresa and Mahatma Ghandi, Corbyn and Khan will still find a way to report something outrageous.

Leroy42

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think that even if Trump behaves like a cross between Buddha, Mother Theresa and Mahatma Ghandi, Corbyn and Khan will still find a way to report something outrageous.

I don't think we are ever going to have to worry about that possibility.

Itssoeasy

So I see that trump is claiming to not know prince Andrew. Am I wrong or was it the same Prince Andrew who when trump had the state visit it was Prince Andrew who showed the president and First Lady around Westminster abbey amongst other places ?

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So I see that trump is claiming to not know prince Andrew. Am I wrong or was it the same Prince Andrew who when trump had the state visit it was Prince Andrew who showed the president and First Lady around Westminster abbey amongst other places ?

It is one of the many, many, issues that Trump seems to have.

He seemingly is extremely forgetful of people is has met, but can also claim with absolute certainty to have not met other people.

One would think at least one journalist would ask if he non knowing of Prince Andrew is on the same basis of never having paid money to Stormy?

Leroy42

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is one of the many, many, issues that Trump seems to have.

He seemingly is extremely forgetful of people is has met, but can also claim with absolute certainty to have not met other people.

One would think at least one journalist would ask if he non knowing of Prince Andrew is on the same basis of never having paid money to Stormy?

He doesn't forget anything, he's just so used to saying whatever the hell he wants without any repercussions that he just wings it. It is 1984 happening before our eyes. If something is beneficial and makes him look good or will avoid painting him in a negative light, well then that's the way he's always felt about it, never mind any previous statements to the contrary. "We've always been at war with Oceania!"

He contradicts himself on an almost daily basis, but nobody in his camp gives a damn. Most of the time, he's surrounded by bootlickers and 'yes' men so they don't call him on his nonsense. And what happens when they do? Snowflake-in-chief, if you ask me.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is one of the many, many, issues that Trump seems to have.

He seemingly is extremely forgetful of people is has met, but can also claim with absolute certainty to have not met other people.

One would think at least one journalist would ask if he non knowing of Prince Andrew is on the same basis of never having paid money to Stormy?

It's like that old saying goes.

If he says he doesn't know anyone or anything - he knows something.

If he says he knows everything about a topic - he knows nothing.

everlast75

I don't watch Cuomo Prime Time, nor do I subscribe to his idea of having these people on, but this is quite something...


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152?s=20

robinph

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

... Trump this morning said that he "has no thoughts on the election" and ....

The remainder of that sentence was apparently "Boris is great".

But we already knew he couldn't complete a sentence without contradicting himself.