Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

Outlaw Pete

BDI wrote: »

It’s time the liberals grew up and accepted democracy.

They used to, when there was a democratic in the Oval at least.


https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1176901568064643072


Truth is they don't care about any of this stuff, democrats been crying wolf since Trump walked down that escalator.

MadYaker

Whats that video from 20 years ago got to do with anything?

BDI

relax carry on wrote: »

Any comment on his actual ability to lead? Maybe some actual verifiable examples where he has demonstrated his genetic superiority in leadership terms?

He lead the liberals on a merry dance these last few years.

StringerBell

BDI wrote: »

That’s the realization that the don has won. They probably won’t even run anyone against him in 2020.

Probably, why bother sure.

everlast75

Does this dumdum realise he's not on The Apprentice anymore?

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1176932022863794177?s=19

Outlaw Pete

PropJoe10 wrote: »

That has absolutely squat to do with Trump doing something wrong. If you use that logic, everyone can do whatever they like because others have done wrong. Biden acting inappropriately should be looked at through the proper channels and does NOT excuse Trump trying to enlist a foreign country to help him to discredit a political rival.

Strawman nonsense. At no stage did I say or suggest that Biden doing something wrong meant that Trump could therefore do wrong. Lazy nonsense and I confirmed to Penn that I believe if Trump did something wrong, he should be held accountable.

I also said it might turn out to be a nothing burger but it for sure needs to be investigated and hopefully it will be. It is absolutely right and proper for Trump request that the Ukraine speak with AG Barr on the matter. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.

Outlaw Pete

listermint wrote: »

The level of double speak is outstanding

Congrats

Outstanding swerve of a question more like. Nevermind, I will put it to you again. You said:

listermint wrote: »

Trump asked for dirt on Biden from the ukrainians and threatened to withhold money.

Do you have some evidence of Trump making this "threat" to the Ukraine? I'm assuming some exists as your remark got over 20 thanks.

Anyway, Zelenskiy sure doesn't seem to feel he was threatened ...



https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1176927447704424448

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1176891093339820032?s=19

F'n hilarious.

Makes you wonder what type of clowns work in the White House and what other emails were mailed mistakenly...

JFC..


https://twitter.com/HeathaT/status/1176946661387591686?s=19

Professor Moriarty

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Strawman nonsense. At no stage did I say or suggest that Biden doing something wrong meant that Trump could therefore do wrong. Lazy nonsense and I confirmed to Penn that I believe if Trump did something wrong, he should be held accountable.

I also said it might turn out to be a nothing burger but it for sure needs to be investigated and hopefully it will be. It is absolutely right and proper for Trump request that the Ukraine speak with AG Barr on the matter. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't.

Barr? A man of infinite integrity.

listermint

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Outstanding swerve of a question more like. Nevermind, I will put it to you again. You said:



Do you have some evidence of Trump making this "threat" to the Ukraine? I'm assuming some exists as your remark got over 20 thanks.

Anyway, Zelenskiy sure doesn't seem to feel he was threatened ...



https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1176927447704424448

I can see your account just disappearing into the ether when this is all over.

Because it will be over. And no it's not the media or lefty libs or whatever other talking point your picked up off twitter . It will be the narcistic criminal racist who has brought himself down. He's like a living representation of everything that's wrong with big power and money in the US.

Call me Al

gazzer wrote: »

Is he on drugs at this press conference? He is all over the place

He's wandering all over the place with this. It is painful to listen to. Lots of words, but it's just rambling endlessly.

ETA and after being asked about what he's again calling the "witch hunt" he's talking about his poll ratings.

Sierra Oscar

This could be the moment when a lot of Republican's realise Trump might not be up for the fight like they thought he would be. He seems so deflated.

peddlelies

Well that was pretty sombre in tone. I do agree with him on a few things he said but he only has himself to blame for the current mess. Should have hired a third party to investigate Biden and kept it away from state department business. What happens next will be interesting.

aloyisious

It seems the summary of the transcript 1s a 5 page document and on page 1 is a sentence stating the summary is the recollections of people in the White House situation room when Don was talking to the Ukrainian President. To me that means the whistleblower is a senior staffer in the Admin team for him/her to be present when the two presidents were talking. Congress has the whistleblowers complaint document after the W/H sent it to them. Its a classified document, according to a congress member who has seen and read so he couldn't reveal what's in it [until its declassified]. It seems Don told the Ukraine president he will have the AG and Rudy contact him.

I'm beginning to wonder if the whistleblower is an [at this time] person in an acting position within the intelligence community or a Dept Sec and that is what has Don really rattled. With the Intel boss going to congress tomorrow, and today issuing a statement that he never quits or walks away from a job, it'll be interesting to hear what his testimony covers. Rudy obviously has some-one in mind as the whistleblower with his reference to the State Dept, but he might be looking at the wrong suspect. if one of those persons were to surreptitiously record the conversation on a device from which a true verbatim record could be obtained of the conversation, ala James Comey recording his dinner chat with Don, then Don may really have cause to be scared.

duploelabs

aloyisious wrote: »

It seems the summary of the transcript 1s a 5 page document and on page 1 is a sentence stating the summary is the recollections of people in the White House situation room when Don was talking to the Ukrainian President. To me that means the whistleblower is a senior staffer in the Admin team for him/her to be present when the two presidents were talking. Congress has the whistleblowers complaint document after the W/H sent it to them. Its a classified document, according to a congress member who has seen and read so he couldn't reveal what's in it [until its declassified]. It seems Don told the Ukraine president he will have the AG and Rudy contact him.

I'm beginning to wonder if the whistleblower is an [at this time] person in an acting position within the intelligence community or a Dept Sec and that is what has Don really rattled. With the Intel boss going to congress tomorrow, and today issuing a statement that he never quits or walks away from a job, it'll be interesting to hear what his testimony covers. Rudy obviously has some-one in mind as the whistleblower with his reference to the State Dept, but he might be looking at the wrong suspect. if one of those persons were to surreptitiously record the conversation on a device from which a true verbatim record could be obtained of the conversation, ala James Comey recording his dinner chat with Don, then Don may really have cause to be scared.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

Could be the acting DNI

everlast75

Did he just say that Hillary's missing emails might be in the Ukraine???

Itssoeasy

everlast75 wrote: »

Did he just say that Hillary's missing emails might be in the Ukraine???

I'm not watching as I can't watch him speak. How long has this press conference been going for ? Well he seemed to say that in the transcript we got today. He mentioned the server which I took to mean either Hillary or the DNC at large.

Itssoeasy

Also, how can the AG barr have any say in what happens with this whistleblower and congress ? He's mentioned by name on the transcript/memo released earlier. He has huge conflicts of interest IMO. I'd love to know why a former AG in a previous administration who be all account was well regarded in DC and by law enforcement circles seems so willing to drag his reputation through the mud for a president who will dump him when it becomes adventagous for trump to throw him under the bus. I say that with others who are and where in his administration who are willing to ruin whatever capital they've built up prior to this.

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Outstanding swerve of a question more like. Nevermind, I will put it to you again. You said:



Do you have some evidence of Trump making this "threat" to the Ukraine? I'm assuming some exists as your remark got over 20 thanks.

Anyway, Zelenskiy sure doesn't seem to feel he was threatened ...



https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1176927447704424448

I do wonder what kind of circle of real life and internet friends you have that would make you think that your posts seem sane and reasonable. I know you're not stupid but you should run these ideas of yours by actual people from time to time.

ub52

Pelosi never wanted to impeach Trump, she knew nothing was there.
Trump goaded the Dems to impeach, he set a trap
Pelosi was forced to by the far left progressive branch of the Dems
It has been a absolute failure
The far left progressive branch of the Dems will now double down on Warren as the best chance to win the election
The American neutral public will now have a choice of Warren and her socialism or Trump
Trump will eat her alive in the debates.
It will be a landslide Trump victory if he is up agains Warren
I would not be surprise if the traditional Dems try and scupper Warren and shoehorn Hillary onto the ballot at the eleventh hour

EltonJohn69

What’s in the whistle blowers complaint ? Dems saying it’s worse then the phone call.......

rossie1977

Trump had horrible debates vs Clinton and the only thing people remember from those were his sniffling, his weird standing behind Clinton and 'not a puppet'. Whoever wins Dem nomination is not going to go easy on Trump like Hillary was told to do. Warren is a better debater than Hillary Clinton.

If 2020 was such a foregone conclusion like Trump fans across the web claim, why does he need dirt on one of his biggest rivals from a foreign country?

ub52

rossie1977 wrote: »

Trump had horrible debates vs Clinton and the only thing people remember from those were his sniffling, his weird standing behind Clinton and 'not a puppet'. Whoever wins Dem nomination is not going to go easy on Trump like Hillary was told to do. Warren is a better debater than Hillary Clinton.

If 2020 was such a foregone conclusion like Trump fans across the web claim, why does he need dirt on one of his biggest rivals from a foreign country?

trump won the debates biggly, we live in the age of video clips, Trump had many one liners that where viewed million so of times, his debate quips where the news cycle.

As for digging for dirt, have you read the transcript?
It was a classic bait and switch, leak a great story and deliver a nothing burger, the Dems fell for it hook line and sinker, the Dems now look deranged to any right thinking person.
The Trump haters got their hopes up yet again, blinded by TDS and where once again crushed, it has now become so predictable.
Trump is making them look deranged, the neutral vote will sweep him into power, and remember "The Squad" will drop many clangers in the next year, they will also sway the middle class to the Trump camp.

Calina

Dunno why but this story feels different. Like there is a real risk that Trump will struggle to defend himself.

Is it because the atmosphere has changed or is it because this is so bad or much worse than all the previous complaints? My guess is the atmosphere has changed. As though he has outlived his usefulness and now...

blackwave

Calina wrote: »

Dunno why but this story feels different. Like there is a real risk that Trump will struggle to defend himself.

Is it because the atmosphere has changed or is it because this is so bad or much worse than all the previous complaints? My guess is the atmosphere has changed. As though he has outlived his usefulness and now...

I think it's because he is directly linked to it. While for the Mueller inquiry he was never directly linked with involvement rather he was always a layer or two away from it.

everlast75

blackwave wrote: »

I think it's because he is directly linked to it. While for the Mueller inquiry he was never directly linked with involvement rather he was always a layer or two away from it.

Because their defence for Russia was "No collusion" and "Trump didn't know anything about it".

They can't say that Trump didn't know this time and their only defence this time is "There's nothing wrong with collusion".

circadian

What I can't get over is the sheer stupidity of the action. Out of Sanders, Warren and Biden the best case scenario is to run against Biden but he was actively trying to sabotage his campaign.

I can't see Biden doing too well off the back of this, regardless of how much truth there is in the accusations there will be question marks over skeletons in the closet. Trump has pretty much secured a competition against two strong candidates, one of which destroys him in every poll and has done since 2016.

Thats if he makes it out of this at all. I suspect that the Republicans smell blood and will start circling. Trump has been great for pushing their agenda but I'm sure most accept that it always could have been a short lived fixture and when the time comes they'll cut him loose to save themselves.

Christy42

circadian wrote: »

What I can't get over is the sheer stupidity of the action. Out of Sanders, Warren and Biden the best case scenario is to run against Biden but he was actively trying to sabotage his campaign.

I can't see Biden doing too well off the back of this, regardless of how much truth there is in the accusations there will be question marks over skeletons in the closet. Trump has pretty much secured a competition against two strong candidates, one of which destroys him in every poll and has done since 2016.

Thats if he makes it out of this at all. I suspect that the Republicans smell blood and will start circling. Trump has been great for pushing their agenda but I'm sure most accept that it always could have been a short lived fixture and when the time comes they'll cut him loose to save themselves.

I imagine the plan was to hold onto any potential scandal until after Biden got nominated at which point a pivot would be embarrassing for the Democrats and sticking with Biden would involve whatever emerged from the investigation.

blackwave

everlast75 wrote: »

Because their defence for Russia was "No collusion" and "Trump didn't know anything about it".

They can't say that Trump didn't know this time and their only defence this time is "There's nothing wrong with collusion".

Exactly, he is literally on tape this time and has no plausible deniability for not knowing about it, he's pretty much soliciting the help of a foreign Government for dirt in a election.

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