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RTE Investigates programme on greyhound racing industry

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    dickangel wrote: »
    Pretty much none of that has any relevance to what I said. Not a single person here has said rhino horn or dog meat is mainstream, yet on and on you go..

    China has a poor record with animal welfare, let's stop sending dogs there to be tortured. Simple.

    "But not all Chinese" you'll say, well enough to cause international concern.


    Let's stop sending dogs anywhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭dickangel


    I never disagreed with you about that.

    But you have to understand you are privileged to live in a country where you can protest about that. The Chinese are not. Do you understand?

    Its not that they are less caring to animals. Its that when this happens they are powerless as a society to challenge it.

    So think about that the next time you generalize and stigmatize.

    They are human beings. And it's a country that puts HUMAN BEINGS in concentration camps.

    They can't do anything to save the dogs without risking their own lives.

    It's not because they don't care. It's not because they are barbaric. It's because they live under a totalitarian regime.

    Your point on protest is irrelevant as no one is blaming the entire population of China. There is a sizable industry there where people winningly partake in cruelty to animals.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    dickangel wrote: »
    Your point on protest is irrelevant as no one is blaming the entire population of China. There is a sizable industry there where people winningly partake in cruelty to animals.

    As there is here.
    And my point on protest is very relevant if you actually care about animals.

    Human rights going under usually means animal rights go under. Human rights go up animal right go up.

    They do go hand in hand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭dickangel


    Let's stop sending dogs anywhere.

    Agreed. And especially China where dogs are boiled alive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭dickangel


    As there is here.
    And my point on protest is very relevant if you actually care about animals.

    Human rights going under usually means animal rights go under. Human rights go up animal right go up.

    They do go hand in hand.

    So don't condemn China's mistreatment of animals because the population can't protest. Ah no I'll condemn it alright.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    dickangel wrote: »
    Agreed. And especially China where dogs are boiled alive.


    Ever read animal farm?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    dickangel wrote: »
    So don't condemn China's mistreatment of animals because the population can't protest. Ah no I'll condemn it alright.


    Condemn their inability to protest. If that changed then so would the behavior you hate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭maggiepip


    I never disagreed with you about that.

    But you have to understand you are privileged to live in a country where you can protest about that. The Chinese are not. Do you understand?

    Its not that they are less caring to animals. Its that when this happens they are powerless as a society to challenge it.

    So think about that the next time you generalize and stigmatize.

    They are human beings. And it's a country that puts HUMAN BEINGS in concentration camps.

    They can't do anything to save the dogs without risking their own lives.

    It's not because they don't care. It's not because they are barbaric it's not cultural. It's because they live under a totalitarian regime.

    And most chinese people feel as you do. But what can they do?

    This isn't about the Chinese. Its about the poor dogs.

    Have a look on Caged Nationwide Facebook.

    There should also be a Prime Time investigation on the minority group here who abuse and neglect Lurchers and horses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭dickangel


    Condemn their inability to protest. If that changed then so would the behavior you hate.

    No I'll condemn anyone that chooses to boil a dog alive. You can still make good life choices if you can't protest. You're terrified of placing responsibility on the people in tonight's show just because they are Chinese.

    And before you try to deflect yet again, of course I condemn the Irish people too ( like I should even have to say it.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    dickangel wrote: »
    No I'll condemn anyone that chooses to boil a dog alive. You can still make good life choices if you can't protest. You're terrified of placing responsibility on the people in tonight's show just because they are Chinese.


    Perhaps I am weak.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    maggiepip wrote: »
    This isn't about the Chinese. Its about the poor dogs.

    Have a look on Caged Nationwide Facebook.

    There should also be a Prime Time investigation on the minority group here who abuse and neglect Lurchers and horses.


    I don't know much about Lurchers.

    Horses I would be interested in ...from the rescue point of view you rarely find out who owned them.

    Its not all just cobs by the way. You get all kinds. I used to ride a morgan horse in a rescue (pretty good horse breed from the states ) ..his previous owner had got him from the states shipped him over but then died a while after he was backed.

    You get people with a lots of stories

    There is some out right shocking abuses though. Some stuff you wish you hadn't seen. Mostly by idiots who haven't a clue about horses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,606 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Yulin Lychee and dogmeat festival is on this week

    10,000+ dogs


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Yulin Lychee and dogmeat festival is on this week

    10,000+ dogs
    yup

    will probably receive more attention than the people in concentration camps in china

    And yes the festival is just a cruelty fest. There is no reason for it. It makes no sense. Its bizarre and freakish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80,443 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn


    Too many powers that be involved and votes for a single thing to be done about this. Fur farming on the other hand is so much more damaging... my hole :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    Didn’t see the documentary but it sounds barbaric and cruel. Surprised to hear that the poor dogs are very being sent to China but not that the Chinese eat dog. A Chinese chef studying here told me he cooked dog in China and said it was a very good meat. Another having arrived here with barely any English bought and ate part of a tin of dog food in the mistaken belief that it was dog meat for human consumption, his flat mate put him right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Barry Cowen was the head of (or at least an executive of) Bord na Gcon / Irish Greyhound Board. Wonder what he has to say for himself


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Barry Cowen was the head of (or at least an executive of) Bord na Gcon / Irish Greyhound Board. Wonder what he has to say for himself



    Who is head of it now? Do you know???


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Flibble


    I am saying Doctors in China don't use it at all. Hospitals do not use traditional chinese medicine in china. It would be like a hospital here using herbalism.

    And if you are sick in china you go to a doctor. Just like you do here.

    You get me?

    If you are kind of a hippie etc or you have this strange tummy ailment you go to this Chinese medicine place that you as a Chinese person probably don't actually believe in but you are willing to give it a try. And since a big country has a lot of suckers 'chinese medicine' makes money from a placebo effect. And people know this.

    But while if this happened here you could go protest. In china that cannot happen.

    But no doctor uses it. 'Healers' use it.

    Chinese people go to hospital when they have cancer etc. And that chinese hospital is going to tell them that traditional Chinese medicine is pseudoscience and even harmful to them. And any Doctor in China will tell them the same.

    That is the situation.

    Not true. Hospitals in China do use Traditional Chinese Medicine. There's Acupuncture departments & Tuina departments alongside all the other departments, and herbal dispensaries inside the hospitals. Remedies are handed out via prescriptions from doctors specialising in Traditional Chinese Medicines. Just like doctors here do their general degree and go on to specialise in Oncology etc, doctors there can specialise in Traditional modalities. You wouldn't be allowed practice if you weren't a fully qualified medical doctor, although a massive amount of local knowledge still exists so you will get people purchasing herbs for themselves according to known remedies.

    Every pharmacy carries a good chunk of herbs. Unfortunately, they do farm animals enmass to supply certain medicines, as the animal ingredients are classified as 'herbs'. Most commonly, they will use insects like cicadas and scorpions etc, but you do get bears being farmed for their bile and I believe they have massive Tiger farms also (I'm not sure what they use from the Tigers but I have seen photos of the farms)


  • Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    maggiepip wrote: »
    There seems to be nothing too barbaric for the human race to discover. Filthy people.


    Mod: <edit> Threadban lifted. Post was open to interpretation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Flibble wrote: »
    Not true. Hospitals in China do use Traditional Chinese Medicine. There's Acupuncture departments & Tuina departments alongside all the other departments, and herbal dispensaries inside the hospitals. Remedies are handed out via prescriptions from doctors specialising in Traditional Chinese Medicines. Just like doctors here do their general degree and go on to specialise in Oncology etc, doctors there can specialise in Traditional modalities. You wouldn't be allowed practice if you weren't a fully qualified medical doctor, although a massive amount of local knowledge still exists so you will get people purchasing herbs for themselves according to known remedies.

    Every pharmacy carries a good chunk of herbs. Unfortunately, they do farm animals enmass to supply certain medicines, as the animal ingredients are classified as 'herbs'. Most commonly, they will use insects like cicadas and scorpions etc, but you do get bears being farmed for their bile and I believe they have massive Tiger farms also (I'm not sure what they use from the Tigers but I have seen photos of the farms)


    That's odd. Because from my friend who is chinese and people who have lived there its strictly frowned upon by the medical profession in china.

    You do have TCM hospitals though. But they are separate. Those separate hospiatls are not run and paid for by the state though. And they even have emergency departments (confusing i know). But they are not part of the state mainstream system.

    In chinese hospitals you have everyone in one place...dentists gps etc.

    But who knows it could differ from region to region though. It's so huge. She is from the north it could be particular to her region.

    I know chinese medicine farms bears etc. I have zero idea of what the pseudoscience behind the bile things is though.

    Obviously we use animals in western medicine as well. Only that is science. It's value can be proven.

    Obviously i don't support animal testing or farming for medicine that isn't even going to work.


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    Yes- trying to capture as much as possible in this documentary as it happens but recommend watching again.

    Then read what the report actually says and why it was carried out. Then educate yourself on coursing and what would happen to the hare if it was banned. No more innoculating, wormed etc.
    What you saw in the program was historical stuff. Illegal stuff that is being clamped down on.
    It was great to see those illegal courses named and shamed. I hope that they are banned for life from every track and coursing field in the country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Then read what the report actually says and why it was carried out. Then educate yourself on coursing and what would happen to the hare if it was banned. No more innoculating, wormed etc.
    What you saw in the program was historical stuff. Illegal stuff that is being clamped down on.
    It was great to see those illegal courses named and shamed. I hope that they are banned for life from every track and coursing field in the country.


    Is there a link?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Yes .I agree..all i am saying is ....it would have been very easy for RTE to be discouraged. That is the way they work. There are a lot of things they are 'discouraged' from reporting. Just letting you know.

    You really dont need to "just let me know" anything. It comes across as patronising.

    This, to me is a serious thread and there are key messages and actions that have come out of last nights program.

    It is a real shame to have this thread derailed and taken off track like so many other threads recently.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    anewme wrote: »
    You really dont need to "just let me know" anything. It comes across as patronising.

    This, to me is a serious thread and there are key messages and actions that have come out of last nights program.

    It us a real shame to have this thread derailed and taken off track like so many other threads recently.

    Most of the content was of a historical nature or from another country. Steps have been and will continue to be taken to ensure it doesn’t happen again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    anewme wrote: »
    You really dont need to "just let me know" anything. It comes across as patronising.

    This, to me is a serious thread and there are key messages and actions that have come out of last nights program.

    It us a real shame to have this thread derailed and taken off track like so many other threads recently.


    It's just a phrase. I meant nothing by it. It's hardly patronizing.

    I am just telling you for years RTE DID NOT report this.

    There are reasons ..for one pat kenny loved greyhound racing and was in the dogs a lot. And he was treated very well there. And there was a lot of motivation behind that treatment.

    So i thought you might want to know why this took so long to come out.

    The industry courted people in RTE for a long time. I thought it was important.

    They used to have big events and invite people have corporate things.

    That is why i was saying it. And yes it does have an affect. Lots of industries do it. Not just to celebs etc but people working behind the scenes in RTE. Directors etc.


    I hope you understand better now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Abel Ruiz


    GTFO with that. It isn't "the" money, it's OUR money. And it shouldn't be anywhere near these so- called sports.

    But what about the dancing horses in the Olympics???
    Is that sport okay.
    Didn't an irish fello win a medal a few years ago, even though his horse was pissed????


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Abel Ruiz wrote: »
    But what about the dancing horses in the Olympics???
    Is that sport okay.


    Dressage done properly is fine. Dressage done with short cuts or over work etc is a disaster. You end up with torn ligaments etc.

    But it's all about how it's done etc.

    Didn't an irish fello win a medal a few years ago, even though his horse was pissed????

    That was showjumping.


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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I somehow doubt the industry is going to be disbanded so would there be any merit in a major campaign to get people to consider rescue greyhounds as really good family pets ? They are very gentle and surprising lazy, I believe. so easy to manage and it might just save the poor creatures from being boiled alive in China.

    Also, is a knackery the same as an abattoir for say cattle who have TB etc ?

    Have you any idea of how much it’d cost to send a dog to China? Did the people in the video look like they would have the €0,000’s just to boil them alive?
    Years ago it was acceptable to dispose of unwanted greyhounds any old way. Thankfully that’s no longer the case. More owners are keeping them as pets. Yes, they are gentle and surprisingly lazy. They only get off the couch to eat and empty!
    Hopefully those knackeries and those caught coursing illegally will be treated to the full rigors of the law.
    The main reason the greyhound game is in decline is the increase in paperwork and young people like to see a return for their investment. The cost of rearing pups to racing age runs into the thousands.


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