Great projects that are never delivered

handlemaster

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope

How many such good ideas never take off ? We are a country of ideas but delivery is so poor.

Deebles McBeebles

We are a country of politicians who will say anything for a vote, never deliver and get voted back in anyway.

Your Face

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope

How many such good ideas never take off ? We are a country of ideas but delivery is so poor.

They must have a strong lobby group.

PhilOssophy

NIMBYISM, political interference and lobby groups who don't see the greater good.
Its not just cycling that has this problem, it is getting ANYTHING done.
Cyclists don't help themselves, as a daily cyclist/commuting cyclist I get fed up with the appalling attitude to the rules of the road of my fellow cyclists. Until this attitude changes, I can't see en masse investment in cycling. I'd love to think my children could cycle to school in years to come but I can't see it, and that gives me no satisfaction.

Bio Mech

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope

I presume the irony of protesting the blocking of cycle lanes by sitting down to block the cycle lane is lost on that guy.

chrissb8

My primary school project on sharks. I drew 10 glorious pages of anatomically incorrect sharks with crayons "More effort needed to be made and a lack of factual information". I was asked to do it again and well, I never did deliever it on time.

This phenomenon is known as "kicking the can". Note the Climate Action Plan, by 2030 we aim to reduce emissions etc. And the current shower of chancers will be long gone, pensions secure & blissfully ignorant in warmer climes.

PinotNero

handlemaster wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/25/dublin-disappoints-what-happened-to-city-cyclings-great-hope

How many such good ideas never take off ? We are a country of ideas but delivery is so poor.

Banana - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything

Ulysses Gaze

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

We are a country of politicians who will say anything for a vote, never deliver and get voted back in anyway.

That's pretty much every country.

biko

Ireland just feels extra bad and corrupt because we live here but there are way worse politicians out there.
https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

Deebles McBeebles

biko wrote: »

Ireland just feels extra bad and corrupt because we live here but there are way worse politicians out there.
https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

We'll get there eventually as long as we keep trying. C'mon Ireland!

ChikiChiki

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

We are a country of politicians who will say anything for a vote, never deliver and get voted back in anyway.

That's pretty much every country.

For some reason we are better at generating apologists.

Metro to the airport won't be delivered in the next 20 years and the new children's hospital will be a disaster.

Scandalous.

Badly Drunk Boy

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Metro to the airport won't be delivered in the next 20 years and the new children's hospital will be a disaster.

Scandalous.

But my passport will be out of date by then!! :mad: (And I'll probably be dead...)

is_that_so

Hmm, Owen Keegan. Article makes it sound like everyone can go on a bike everywhere and I see the half-baked pedestrianisation of College Green remains an aspiration.

is_that_so

ChikiChiki wrote: »

For some reason we are better at generating apologists.

Metro to the airport won't be delivered in the next 20 years and the new children's hospital will be a disaster.

Scandalous.

I don't think the hospital will be a disaster but shockingly expensive for sure. Metro is just a byword for "some day"!

Jupiter Mulligan

The sarcasm in the title of this thread is simply fantastic. Well done, OP. "Great projects" my hole!

Roger Hassenforder

Check out the Cork Event centre thread

Roger Hassenforder

Bio Mech wrote: »

I presume the irony of protesting the blocking of cycle lanes by sitting down to block the cycle lane is lost on that guy.

He (they) didnt block it for cyclists


This will be listed among the great protests against mechanically propelled vehicles and tyranny, along with Tiananmen square

jimwallace197

biko wrote: »

Ireland just feels extra bad and corrupt because we live here but there are way worse politicians out there.
https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

Wouldn't read much into that, its only for known and reported corruption. Something we are not very good at either. Whistle blowing has only become a big thing recently in this country & look how that was handled.

On a political level, we are considered highly corrupt even by international standards.

Jupiter Mulligan

Deleted User wrote: »

Welcome to AH. Our tour guide will be with you shortly.

Cheers. I have my own white stick so won't require the services of a guide.

lalababa

Remember the excellent proposal by a young minister to give drink licences to anybody who also served food for 5k. ( He must have holidayed on the continent). So that we could grow up Abit only to be drowned out by the vintners association. So now I can drink as much or as little in a pub whilst starving or eat as much or as little in a cafe whilst thirsty.

Jupiter Mulligan

jimwallace197 wrote: »

On a political level, we are considered highly corrupt even by international standards.

Source?

(note that a MRI scan of your large intestine isn't an acceptable source.)

James Brown

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Source?

(note that a MRI scan of your large intestine isn't an acceptable source.)

Hard to measure really. Was Bertie corrupt? Never charged criminally.
Ireland was ranked 19th out of 183 countries in the Corruption Perception index.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/corruption-index-ireland-lags-behind-1.3402112

I'd say besides the croynism, inapporpriate behaviour and sweet deals, we've very few convictions so, not corrupt at all

Jupiter Mulligan

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Hard to measure really. Was Bertie corrupt? Never charged criminally.
Ireland was ranked 19th out of 183 countries in the Corruption Perception index.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/corruption-index-ireland-lags-behind-1.3402112

I'd say besides the croynism, inapporpriate behaviour and sweet deals, we've very few convictions so, not corrupt at all

That's almost as simplistic as your ongoing attempts to divide the whole world into FG or non-FG, Matt.

When you grow up intellectually, you'll appreciate that you don't live in a binary world where things are either black or white, good or bad.

Church on Tuesday

e voting machines?

Jupiter Mulligan

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

e voting machines?

Their time will come again. Although sadly I probably won't be around to see it.

James Brown

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

That's almost as simplistic as your ongoing attempts to divide the whole world into FG or non-FG, Matt.

When you grow up intellectually, you'll appreciate that you don't live in a binary world where things are either black or white, good or bad.

TBF Jup you're in every where there's a criticism of anything blue shirted, case in point this current line. Sure g'wan over to the Bailey thread and tell us all how nobody is interested in the story

Hurrache

Bio Mech wrote: »

I presume the irony of protesting the blocking of cycle lanes by sitting down to block the cycle lane is lost on that guy.

He didn't block the cycle lane, he kept it open for cyclists. No irony there.

odyssey06

Michael McDowell's plan to sell off Mountjoy and build a new super prison at Thornton Hall.
https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/a-vision-for-dublin.html

I don't see things changing much with the current system, unless maybe if we get a directly elected Dublin mayor with real powers.

razorblunt

Cork Events Center.

I plan on doing a lot more travelling when I retire in 15 years time.

I wonder if I’ll be able to get the train to the airport by then.

handlemaster

Aegir wrote: »

I plan on doing a lot more travelling when I retire in 15 years time.

I wonder if I’ll be able to get the train to the airport by then.

Would you want to live in.ireland when your retired ?

Bob Harris

Aegir wrote: »

I plan on doing a lot more travelling when I retire in 15 years time.

I wonder if I’ll be able to get the train to the airport by then.

handlemaster wrote: »

Would you want to live in.ireland when your retired ?

I think that's why they'd be going to the airport.

freshpopcorn

Disneyland Ireland!

Cee-Jay-Cee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This phenomenon is known as "kicking the can". Note the Climate Action Plan, by 2030 we aim to reduce emissions etc. And the current shower of chancers will be long gone, pensions secure & blissfully ignorant in warmer climes.

The Climate Action Plan is the greatest crock of Shiite ever concocted. It was thrown together in the space of a week or two following the local elections. It will never be implemented and if it is it’ll be a far cry from the original plan. Cretinous Leo and his band of merry **** will do and say whatever they think needs to be said but they have yet to put anything into action.

We will continue to buy carbon credits from other countries and pay the fines where necessary and the money will be recouped by increasing taxes. It’s what we do best.

is_that_so

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The Climate Action Plan is the greatest crock of Shiite ever concocted. It was thrown together in the space of a week or two following the local elections. It will never be implemented and if it is it’ll be a far cry from the original plan. Cretinous Leo and his band of merry **** will do and say whatever they think needs to be said but they have yet to put anything into action.

We will continue to buy carbon credits from other countries and pay the fines where necessary and the money will be recouped by increasing taxes. It’s what we do best.

It actually emerged from a Joint Oireachtas Committee but don't let that get in the way of good rant.

Jupiter Mulligan

Matt Barrett wrote: »

TBF Jup you're in every where there's a criticism of anything blue shirted, case in point this current line. Sure g'wan over to the Bailey thread and tell us all how nobody is interested in the story

I apologise deeply, although insincerely, if my scathing criticisms of Maria Bailey over the past month have upset you.

But I make no apology whatsoever for slapping down the witless, ranting clowns on that thread who appear to regard her grasping stupidity as the worst thing to have occurred in Irish politics since Charlie Haughey diverted £100,000 to the IRA.

vriesmays

Irish movie channel.

PhilOssophy

Climate change plan is pie in the sky, 70% renewables by 2030 is simply unrealistic.
If you look at the ESB website, on a day like today when it is calm, about 3% of our electricity is being generated by renewables.

dxhound2005

jimwallace197 wrote: »

Wouldn't read much into that, its only for known and reported corruption. Something we are not very good at either. Whistle blowing has only become a big thing recently in this country & look how that was handled.

On a political level, we are considered highly corrupt even by international standards.

It's exactly the opposite of known and reported corruption. It is a measure of perceived corruption. Corruption is a criminal offence here, and any known cases can be prosecuted, with the known evidence.

In this index of perception we are not high up the international list. 18th out of 180.

handlemaster

handlemaster wrote: »

Would you want to live in.ireland when your retired ?

The part of south Dublin I live in is practically a ****ing retirement village anyway.

Qrt

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, Owen Keegan. Article makes it sound like everyone can go on a bike everywhere and I see the half-baked pedestrianisation of College Green remains an aspiration.

You’re right, there are many places where bikes aren’t useful for all.

But a hell of a lot of people can go to a hell of a lot of places on bikes.

College Green’s pedestrianisation would be a tremendous addition to the city provided the stretches of the quays between Winetavern Street and Liberty Hall have cars restricted. We’ll see what happens with the Liffey Cycle route.

is_that_so

Qrt wrote: »

You’re right, there are many places where bikes aren’t useful for all.

But a hell of a lot of people can go to a hell of a lot of places on bikes.

College Green’s pedestrianisation would be a tremendous addition to the city provided the stretches of the quays between Winetavern Street and Liberty Hall have cars restricted. We’ll see what happens with the Liffey Cycle route.

I don't have an issue with such a concept, even though I question what actual use it will be as a public amenity but the the real problem is that the version being pushed doesn't care where the traffic currently using it goes, just that it goes away. As always it's a myopic lack of joined up thinking on overall traffic planning.

whisky_galore

Qrt wrote: »

But a hell of a lot of people can go to a hell of a lot of places on bikes.

A hell of a lot of people wouldn't be seen dead on a push bike for a variety of reasons and no amount of cajoling will get them up on one.

Qrt

is_that_so wrote: »

I don't have an issue with such a concept, even though I question what actual use it will be as a public amenity but the the real problem is that the version being pushed doesn't care where the traffic currently using it goes, just that it goes away. As always it's a myopic lack of joined up thinking on overall traffic planning.

It won’t be much use in reality. In my eyes, it’s aimed at calming the most hectic part of the city centre and calming a large portion of the remainder. It’ll definitely make it a lot prettier and create a rendezvous point.

whisky_galore

is_that_so wrote: »

It actually emerged from a Joint Oireachtas Committee but don't let that get in the way of good rant.

It's like a child's homework project fired together the night before it's supposed to be handed up. A mess of well-meaning but ill thought out rubbish.

is_that_so

Qrt wrote: »

It won’t be much use in reality. In my eyes, it’s aimed at calming the most hectic part of the city centre and calming a large portion of the remainder. It’ll definitely make it a lot prettier and create a rendezvous point.

In other words, another large attraction point for skangers, like we don't already have enough of those. Cities by their very nature are hectic. If it's quiet you want you can sit in a park!

is_that_so

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's like a child's homework project fired together the night before it's supposed to be handed up. A mess of well-meaning but ill thought out rubbish.

Eh, the best part of two years actually. It's a start. Do you have any child's homework to offer in its stead?

whisky_galore

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, the best part of two years actually. It's a start. Do you have any child's homework to offer in its stead?

Two wasted years.

What does it matter to you? Why so sensitive?

is_that_so

whisky_galore wrote: »

Two wasted years.

What does it matter to you?

Just fond of facts. They clearly don't matter an awful lot to you.

whisky_galore

is_that_so wrote: »

Just fond of facts.

Good for you. Hope they keep you warm at night.