Sean O'Brien 'sanctioned' by IRFU for pissing on someone in a pub.

SirGerryAdams

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/the-player-has-expressed-his-deep-regret-sean-obrien-sanctioned-by-irfu-over-incident-in-pub-38247672.html

Sean O'Brien pisses on someone in a pub - gets "sanctioned".

Paddy Jackson sent some dirty messages to his mates - sacked, sponsors pull out of his new club.

Looking forward to Diageo's statement and whether pissing on someone matches their values.

threeball

London Irish are having a great off season

Strumms

Disappointing, 99.99% of people can go out for a drink and not cause a single issue, be it argument, physical fight, verbal altercation or whatever. Some people though after a few pints and that self control and self check can go out the window...however what the fûck snaps to the point that someone decided to piss on someone else... psychotic.

Uncharted

He's takin the piss .

Beechwoodspark

I know “Seanie” is Headin over London way soon but still I can’t believe how lightly he’s got off here.

I was a big fan of him on the pitch but over the years heard stories of his carry on when under the influence.

Should have a heavy fine and possibly irfu contract cancelled day after the “piss up”

LillySV

Uncharted wrote: »

He's takin the piss .

Was it a guy or a girl he pissed on? And was it cause he had an issue with the person or was that other person just unlucky to be standing there ?

Beechwoodspark

LillySV wrote: »

Was it a guy or a girl he pissed on? And was it cause he had an issue with the person or was that other person just unlucky to be standing there ?

It was a guy who he didn’t know and had no connection to.

antfin

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Sean O'Brien pisses on someone in a pub - gets "sanctioned".

Paddy Jackson sent some dirty messages to his mates - sacked, sponsors pull out of his new club.

Looking forward to Diageo's statement and whether pissing on someone matches their values.

Seeing as they already cancelled their sponsorship of London Irish I wouldn't expect them to continue to issue statements on other signings.

SirGerryAdams

antfin wrote: »

Seeing as they already cancelled their sponsorship of London Irish I wouldn't expect them to continue to issue statements on other signings.

Diageo sponsor the IRFU.

antfin

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

Diageo sponsor the IRFU.

I think we can safely say we will never see O'Brien wear an Irish national or provincial jersey again. I'm sure he might return to Ireland for the odd "piss up" but he'll not be playing a game in an IRFU shirt again.

One eyed Jack

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/the-player-has-expressed-his-deep-regret-sean-obrien-sanctioned-by-irfu-over-incident-in-pub-38247672.html

Sean O'Brien pisses on someone in a pub - gets "sanctioned".

Paddy Jackson sent some dirty messages to his mates - sacked, sponsors pull out of his new club.

Looking forward to Diageo's statement and whether pissing on someone matches their values.

Disingenuous comparison there tbh. Both players engaged in undoubtedly scumbag behaviour and brought disgrace to the IRFU. Why the massive, massive difference in outcomes?

"The IRFU have investigated an incident of inappropriate behaviour by a player which occurred on 26th May 2019. The player has expressed his deep regret and has been sanctioned in line with the provisions of his contract. The player has apologised to the individual involved. The IRFU, and the player, regret any upset that this incident has caused."


Paddy Jackson had no intention of apologising for his behaviour and showed no remorse whatsoever. That’s the difference between both outcomes.

Shefwedfan

SirGerryAdams wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/the-player-has-expressed-his-deep-regret-sean-obrien-sanctioned-by-irfu-over-incident-in-pub-38247672.html

Sean O'Brien pisses on someone in a pub - gets "sanctioned".

Paddy Jackson sent some dirty messages to his mates - sacked, sponsors pull out of his new club.

Looking forward to Diageo's statement and whether pissing on someone matches their values.

Diageo dropped London Irish and SOB will not play for Ireland again as he is overseas

Shefwedfan

Strumms wrote: »

Disappointing, 99.99% of people can go out for a drink and not cause a single issue, be it argument, physical fight, verbal altercation or whatever. Some people though after a few pints and that self control and self check can go out the window...however what the fûck snaps to the point that someone decided to piss on someone else... psychotic.

SOB is 32 and nothing like this has ever happened before

It was his last game for Leinster, his last game for Ireland, his last game in Ireland and maybe his last game ever because of the injury

He made a mistake, the guys life was turned upside down in last few months. He had a few too many and apologised afterward

Get off your high horse

Beechwoodspark

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SOB is 32 and nothing like this has ever happened before

It was his last game for Leinster, his last game for Ireland, his last game in Ireland and maybe his last game ever because of the injury

He made a mistake, the guys life was turned upside down in last few months. He had a few too many and apologised afterward

Get off your high horse

I’m not gonna repeat anything but let’s say there’s form there for “zany/completely inappropriate” behaviour while under the influence.

“The IRFU have investigated an incident of inappropriate behaviour by a player which occurred on 26th May 2019 (Sunday night),” read an IRFU statement. “The player has expressed his deep regret and has been sanctioned in line with the provisions of his contract.”

Irish rugby’s governing body did not release details of the sanction. O’Brien, who could not be reached for comment, allegedly urinated on another man in Cassidy’s pub on Camden Street.

Just read this story here in The Irish Times and came looking for a thread. What sort of human being would urinate on other? It has a depravity all of its own, one often associated with the dregs of society doing it to some homeless person on the street for the "fun" when drunk some night. To actually think this is acceptable is mindboggling.

It truly is a stain on that person's character for life. He is 32, not 16 and from some hugely depraved background.

helimachoptor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just read this story here in The Irish Times and came looking for a thread. What sort of human being would urinate on other? It has a depravity all of its own, one often associated with the dregs of society doing it to some homeless person on the street for the "fun" when drunk some night. To actually think this is acceptable is mindboggling.

It truly is a stain on that person's character for life. He is 32, not 16 and from some hugely depraved background.

Some people are into water sports.

Shefwedfan

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m not gonna repeat anything but let’s say there’s form there for “zany/completely inappropriate” behaviour while under the influence.

As this was happening it was been tweeted about by certain members of the press who have it in for all things rugby for years

It’s not hard to find the players, it’s the same pubs they go to....if other things like this had happened don’t worry the press would have no issue reporting it

Ursus Horribilis

It's the sort of thing that'll be a little asterisk beside his name from now on. Sean O'Brien, glittering career. Pissed on some one in a pub. The sanction is meaningless really.

Nermal

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Paddy Jackson had no intention of apologising for his behaviour and showed no remorse whatsoever. That’s the difference between both outcomes.

Indeed. The blue-haired mob only accept total prostration.

https://theodoredalrymple.wordpress.com/2019/06/22/the-pleasures-of-denunciation/

Breaston Plants

The dirty auld bollix.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SOB is 32 and nothing like this has ever happened before

It was his last game for Leinster, his last game for Ireland, his last game in Ireland and maybe his last game ever because of the injury

He made a mistake, the guys life was turned upside down in last few months. He had a few too many and apologised afterward

Get off your high horse

How many people have got drunk and never thought it was acceptable to urinate on another human? How about the vast, vast, vast majority of such people?

It was barbarism, and to blame alcohol for a 32-year-old doing this doesn't wash. At 32 you know your character enough, and you will know the effect alcohol has on you. Should you choose to get drunk in the knowledge of this, you are entirely to blame.

One eyed Jack

Nermal wrote: »

Indeed. The blue-haired mob only accept total prostration.

https://theodoredalrymple.wordpress.com/2019/06/22/the-pleasures-of-denunciation/

How are the blue-haired mob even relevant here? I’m pointing out that he apologised to the victim for his behaviour, Paddy Jackson didn’t. It’s a very simple concept.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How many people have got drunk and never thought it was acceptable to urinate on another human? How about the vast, vast, vast majority of such people?

It was barbarism, and to blame alcohol for a 32-year-old doing this doesn't wash. At 32 you know your character enough, and you will know the effect alcohol has on you. Should you choose to get drunk in the knowledge of this, you are entirely to blame.

Ok

OldMrBrennan83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SOB is 32 and nothing like this has ever happened before

It was his last game for Leinster, his last game for Ireland, his last game in Ireland and maybe his last game ever because of the injury

He made a mistake, the guys life was turned upside down in last few months. He had a few too many and apologised afterward

Get off your high horse

Away out of that, you're another one for letting him off the hook because of who he is. He should be absolutely ruined for it.

mfceiling

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m pointing out that he apologised to the victim for his behaviour, Paddy Jackson didn’t. It’s a very simple concept.

Mr Jackson said public criticism of his behaviour was "fully justified" and he expressed determination to return to the values and principles that guided his upbringing, in particular the importance of respect.

He said: "I am also truly sorry for engaging in a Whatsapp group chat which was degrading and offensive and I apologise unreservedly for this.

"The criticism of my behaviour is fully justified and I know I have betrayed the values of my family and those of the wider public.


"Following the trial I have taken time to reflect with my family on the values that were such an integral part of my upbringing, the most important of which is respect.

"My departure from these values has caused understandable public anger and I am resolutely committed to returning to those principles."

KaneToad

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How are the blue-haired mob even relevant here? I’m pointing out that he apologised to the victim for his behaviour, Paddy Jackson didn’t. It’s a very simple concept.

Jackson doesn't believe she was a 'victim.' It would appear the court didn't either. Whether you/I like it or not.

Shefwedfan

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Away out of that, you're another one for letting him off the hook because of who he is. He should be absolutely ruined for it.

Who is letting him off the hook?


He was leaving Ireland before the game and he was never going to play for ireland again anyway

He has come out and apologized and gone to the person who he did it against. He has got a fine from the IRFU, probably a fairly big one as well.



What exactly do you want to do to him?

Shefwedfan

KaneToad wrote: »

Jackson doesn't believe she was a 'victim.' It would appear the court didn't either. Whether you/I like it or not.

What exactly has Jackson got to do with this?

super_furry

There's a major blind eye turned to the antics of rugby players in Ireland.

Imagine this was James McClean or Jon Walters. It'd be front page news for days.

KaneToad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What exactly has Jackson got to do with this?

Nothing to do with thread title. I was responding to a post. Is this not how discussion boards work?

Shefwedfan

super_furry wrote: »

There's a major blind eye turned to the antics of rugby players in Ireland.

Imagine this was James McClean or Jon Walters. It'd be front page news for days.

That’s what the press keep telling us but then again this was been tweeted to everyone by the press as it happened....by the same person in the press that tells everyone that the rugby players get away with everything.....

Atlantic Dawn

I guess his advert for Supermacs won't be shown again.

facehugger99

What a scummy thing to do.

yabadabado

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SOB is 32 and nothing like this has ever happened before

It was his last game for Leinster, his last game for Ireland, his last game in Ireland and maybe his last game ever because of the injury

He made a mistake, the guys life was turned upside down in last few months. He had a few too many and apologised afterward

Get off your high horse

He has previous form in this regard ,not pissing on someone in a pub but not far from it.

No need to be making excuses for him ,it was a disgusting act .Because hes leaving his job/moving away isnt a valid reason to do something like that.

Collie D

Shefwedfan wrote: »

That’s what the press keep telling us but then again this was been tweeted to everyone by the press as it happened....by the same person in the press that tells everyone that the rugby players get away with everything.....

That particular journalist is the sports equivalent of Gemma O’Doherty. I wouldn’t use him as a rule of thumb for Irish sports journalists in general.

One eyed Jack

KaneToad wrote: »

Jackson doesn't believe she was a 'victim.' It would appear the court didn't either. Whether you/I like it or not.

It appears you’re clueless as to how our judicial system works. The courts determined nothing one way or the other about the victim. I was talking about their behaviour, and the reason they were disciplined by the IRFU, and the difference between their actions following their behaviour, and that of Sean O Brien following his behaviour. The outcomes were different because the circumstances were different, and that’s why I said to the OP it was a disingenuous comparison to make in the first place - Sean O Brien apologised to his victim, Paddy Jackson didn’t.

That’s the difference between them and why the IRFU treated them differently. Whether or not you accept that has no bearing on either the facts, nor the outcomes in either case.

Bunny Colvin

Did he intentionally piss on the guy or was he that out of his mind on beer, that he just took a piss and some poor unfortunate got in the firing line? That's the real question here. I can understand the former but the latter would be taking the piss (pun intended).

Shefwedfan

Collie D wrote: »

That particular journalist is the sports equivalent of Gemma O’Doherty. I wouldn’t use him as a rule of thumb for Irish sports journalists in general.

Exactly, but he is the journalist telling everyone the rugby players are up to all sorts and nobody reports it

Shefwedfan

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Did he intentionally piss on the guy or was he that out of his mind on beer, that he just took a piss and some poor unfortunate got in the firing line? That's the real question here. I can understand the former but the latter would be taking the piss (pun intended).

He was out if his mind on drink, potentially half or nearly fully naked

He had no idea what he was doing.....I would question the other lads for not stepping in and getting him out of there

Atlantic Dawn

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Did he intentionally piss on the guy or was he that out of his mind on beer, that he just took a piss and some poor unfortunate got in the firing line? That's the real question here. I can understand the former but the latter would be taking the piss (pun intended).

Don't think he can play the alcohol card here, if he was that bad he would have pissed himself.

nthclare

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Did he intentionally piss on the guy or was he that out of his mind on beer, that he just took a piss and some poor unfortunate got in the firing line? That's the real question here. I can understand the former but the latter would be taking the piss (pun intended).

It's not uncommon here I'm the west to have a bunch of knobs dressed like they should be on a golf course on a night out.

They arrive and they act out the way they wouldn't on their own front door.

Sipping out of bottles on the wall in Doolin, then throwing them behind their head...
Then proceed to piss over the wall in front of tourists.

If I was down there flyfishing I wouldn't be responsible for what I catch when I cast a fly behind me.

So in effect if his langers in the way the poor unfortunate would get caught in the firing line....

This is it

I've heard, before reading this thread, that he has previous for things like this. The article says "sanctioned", what was the sanction!?

TheRiverman

Why do RTE and Newstalk continue to say "a Leinster player or the player in question" when it known by anybody interested that it is Sean O'Brien ?They were still reporting it this way on Radio this evening long after I read and saw photos of who it was posted online by other media sources.

DEFTLEFTHAND

How did this actually happen?

Did he just zip his pants down and start pissing on a stranger at the bar? Drunk or not that's just mind boggling behaviour from a grown man.


Never heard anything like it in my life.

super_furry

TheRiverman wrote: »

Why do RTE and Newstalk continue to say "a Leinster player or the player in question" when it known by anybody interested that it is Sean O'Brien ?They were still reporting it this way on Radio this evening long after I read and saw photos of who it was posted online by other media sources.

Erring very much on the side of caution when it comes to legal advice I'd imagine.

Bunny Colvin

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He was out if his mind on drink, potentially half or nearly fully naked

He had no idea what he was doing.....I would question the other lads for not stepping in and getting him out of there

They might have been well on it too?

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Don't think he can play the alcohol card here, if he was that bad he would have pissed himself.

It happened to a lad in my local a while back. I wasn't there myself to see it but he just started randomly pissing in the middle of the bar one night. There wasn't any malicious in it, nor was he barred - the lad was just on a different planet with drink.

Collie D

Some mad pubs you drink in

O’Brien was naked in the pics I saw. Surprised he wasn’t ****ed out before the call of nature came upon him.

tipptom

super_furry wrote: »

There's a major blind eye turned to the antics of rugby players in Ireland.

Imagine this was James McClean or Jon Walters. It'd be front page news for days.

John Terry had previous in the pub/nightclub watersports games but I think he kept it to relieving himself on the carpet rather than humans.

Theres always being a thing with rugby lads on a night out of who is going to be the best "maddest basta*d" and it still has its place since professionalism but the PR guys are just better at trading stuff with the lads in the press for it.

I know its bad enough if he done it on one of his friends in the pub but to do it on a stranger in a public place is really really low and is something that I would have a serious problem with if done to me or any of my family.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

They might have been well on it too?




It happened to a lad in my local a while back. I wasn't there myself to see it but he just started randomly pissing in the middle of the bar one night. There wasn't any malicious in it, nor was he barred - the lad was just on a different planet with drink.

I'd have heard of lads pissing on furniture and the like when off their heads but never on another human being.

Shouldn't be in that kind of state in a public house.

Bunny Colvin

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'd have heard of lads pissing on furniture and the like when off their heads but never on another human being.

Shouldn't be in that kind of state in a public house.

I don't think anyone can disagree. He's a scumbag if meant to do it and a daft **** if he didn't know where he was. Either way, not a good look for someone with his profile.

Shefwedfan

Collie D wrote: »

O’Brien was naked in the pics I saw. Surprised he wasn’t ****ed out before the call of nature came upon him.

I know they started drinking in the pub they own, not sure if they were still in that pub when it happened.