Ghost Trump Accused of Sexual Assault

Assetbacked

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/21/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegation-e-jean-carroll-new-york-latest-accusation

In an article promoting a new book, the writer E Jean Caroll said Trump raped her in a shopping centre dressing room in the 1990s. There's is nothing other than her own anecdote to back up this claim.

The article even has the following quote;

"In Carroll’s New York magazine article – an extract from her new book, What Do We Need Men For? – she lays out a long personal history of unpleasant and at times violent encounters with those she collectively denounces as “hideous men”. Shortly after the incident with Trump, she alleges she was sexually molested in an elevator by Les Moonves, then chairman and CEO of the CBS Corporation, after she had interviewed him for Esquire magazine in 1997."

This woman is pure destruction to the plight of genuine rape victims yet the two influential publishers do not even try to qualify her claims or focus on the fact that there is a rule of law and due process to be observed so such claims are just that until fully investigated by the relevant authorities. The "balance" to the article is Trump's twitter response rather than a rational thinking person's response to reading the claims of this woman.

I feel like Frank Grimes in Homer Simpson's world. And to utilise another Simpson's reference;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Y0dTNH7Ns

InTheShadows

Show me the money.

suicide_circus

What Do We Need Men For?

Sonny noggs

I see her described online as a ‘radical feminist’. Say no more.

riemann

These money grabbing attention seekers are making life much more difficult for genuine victims of sexual assault.

Sonny noggs

suicide_circus wrote: »

What Do We Need Men For?

Getting rid of spiders?

jam_mac_jam

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Getting rid of spiders?

Opening jars

Sonny noggs

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Opening jars

Especially jam jars

Icaras

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Especially jam jars

That's my jam, it's not for wimen!

everlast75

Icaras wrote: »

That's my jam, it's not for wimen!

When you get a key fact in the first paragraph wrong, it undermines the rest of your post.

alchemist33

Trump himself said he likes to grab women by the p***y so it's hardly surprising someone would back up his claim.

Assetbacked

everlast75 wrote: »

When you get a key fact in the first paragraph wrong, it undermines the rest of your post.

You wish. Presume you also sniff seats?

Sonny noggs

Icaras wrote: »

That's my jam, it's not for wimen!

No one said the woman should eat the jam, but she needs the jar open to make the sandwiches...

everlast75

Assetbacked wrote: »

You wish. Presume you also sniff seats?

What the **** are you talking about?

You were wrong in your opening post. Replying with a juvenile jibe doesn't change that.

Try again.

bodice ripper

suicide_circus wrote: »

What Do We Need Men For?

In my life they largely provide emotional support, helping me pick outfits, and make me fancy dinner. Fact.

Sonny noggs

alchemist33 wrote: »

Trump himself said he likes to grab women by the p***y so it's hardly surprising someone would back up his claim.

Wouldn’t call someone coming out of the woodwork decades later and years after his comment was made public ‘backing up his claim’. If I didn’t know better I’d think she had a book to sell... oh wait, she has.

Sonny noggs

everlast75 wrote: »

When you get a key fact in the first paragraph wrong, it undermines the rest of your post.

You know Icarus is not the OP, right?

suicide_circus

bodice ripper wrote: »

In my life they largely provide emotional support, helping me pick outfits, and make me fancy dinner. Fact.

its a long way from emotional support and fancy dinners you were reared !!

Sonny noggs

everlast75 wrote: »

What the **** are you talking about?

You were wrong in your opening post. Replying with a juvenile jibe doesn't change that.

Try again.

Read the posters name and read the name of the poster on the opening post.

bodice ripper

suicide_circus wrote: »

its a long way from emotional support and fancy dinners you were reared !!

No, but I am a long way from where I was reared, so good of them to step up.

EDit

Maybe I’m not “woke” enough or just too old for this ****, but why is he called Ghost Trump?

Sonny noggs

EDit wrote: »

Maybe I’m not “woke” enough or just too old for this ****, but why is he called Ghost Trump?

Because it didn't happen...

Mad_maxx

Read a bit about her, sounds like a nutter

Sunny Disposition

Believe women.
Whether it happened or not is unimportant..

One eyed Jack

Assetbacked wrote: »

This woman is pure destruction to the plight of genuine rape victims yet the two influential publishers do not even try to qualify her claims or focus on the fact that there is a rule of law and due process to be observed so such claims are just that until fully investigated by the relevant authorities. The "balance" to the article is Trump's twitter response rather than a rational thinking person's response to reading the claims of this woman.

How exactly is this woman pure destruction to the plight of what you call genuine rape victims?

I don’t imagine people who have been raped share a hive mind. They’re still very much individuals, and so I don’t imagine this woman is representative of all people who have been raped.

You read the claims of this woman, so looking back on it now, do you still think your response was that of a rational thinking person? I don’t. You’re jumping the gun there in accusing her of being pure destruction to genuine rape victims, instead of acknowledging that she too has the right of due process -


Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.

Kivaro

Originally Posted by everlast75
When you get a key fact in the first paragraph wrong, it undermines the rest of your post.

Sonny noggs wrote: »

You know Icarus is not the OP, right?

Ah, that doesn't matter.
There is outrage, and the poster needs to express that outrage. And this was a rush to outrage; irrespective of the facts/truth.

Assetbacked

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How exactly is this woman pure destruction to the plight of what you call genuine rape victims?

I don’t imagine people who have been raped share a hive mind. They’re still very much individuals, and so I don’t imagine this woman is representative of all people who have been raped.

You read the claims of this woman, so looking back on it now, do you still think your response was that of a rational thinking person? I don’t. You’re jumping the gun there in accusing her of being pure destruction to genuine rape victims, instead of acknowledging that she too has the right of due process -


Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.

What due process should she be afforded when she hasn't and won't report this to the police? She is not required to be afforded due process when she solely spews this allegation into the media. As such, she gets the cynical and dismissive reaction she deserves from those with common sense.

By contrast, what due process is Trump afforded for a media publication to publish the unsubstantiated accusations that he is a rapist from someone who has not filled a police report and is coincidentally releasing a book with this anecdote?

branie2

No doubt he'll dismiss it as "fake news"

ILoveYourVibes

Of course its true.

The man has been accused of sexual assault an drape numerous times. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women.

BeerWolf

bodice ripper wrote: »

In my life they largely provide emotional support, helping me pick outfits, and make me fancy dinner. Fact.

You're a monster. Nothing more torturous for men, to be dragged out on one of your clothes shopping escapades. :mad:

Outlaw Pete

Cooper didn't know what to say

Carrol: I think most people think of rape as being sexy!
Cooper: Lets take a short break!
Carrol: Think of the fantasies...
Cooper: We're ju gonna... a quick break.. if you can sticka round..
Carrol: You're fascinating to talk to.

whisky_galore

suicide_circus wrote: »

What Do We Need Men For?

Putting out the bins.

Look, I don't know who's telling fibs, it's crazy ass 'Merica after all. Could be either of them.

PistolsAtDawn

everlast75 wrote: »

What the **** are you talking about?

You were wrong in your opening post. Replying with a juvenile jibe doesn't change that.

Try again.

He did say you sniff seats, It is 2019 so I need no more evidence than an accusation.

Ergo you are a seat sniffer

DEFTLEFTHAND

I remember last Christmas being at home watching the life of Donald Trump documentary. OMG, he was so hot was what the women in the room were saying.

Money, good looks and power. Fck John Gotti that man was the real King of New York back in the 1980s

steddyeddy

Trump claimed to enjoy sexually assaulting people. People claim Trump sexually assaulted them. I don't see where this is out of character for Trump.

DEFTLEFTHAND

steddyeddy wrote: »

Trump claimed to enjoy sexually assaulting people. People claim Trump sexually assaulted them. I don't see where this is out of character for Trump.

It's the NY, NJ sense of humour which gets lost in translation.

Listen to Trump interviews on the Howard Stern Show.


The stuffy Irish Catholic conservative doesn't really get it it . They take everything in a literal sense.

Still waters

Shes a crunchy nutter, she should be locked up for making false allegations

steddyeddy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's the NY, NJ sense of humour which gets lost in translation.

Listen to Trump interviews on the Howard Stern Show.


The stuffy Irish Catholic conservative doesn't really get it it . They take everything in a literal sense.

No it's really not. I work in America and with a lot of people from New York. They hate him. Despite boasting he could turn the Empire State red, Hillary Clinton won in a landslide. In New York City, she took 79% of the vote. Isn't it unusual that in a city that apparently loves Trump they voted for someone he hated? It's nothing to do with Irish Catholics. That's a silly argument.

InTheShadows

Still waters wrote: »

Shes a crunchy nutter, she should be locked up for making false allegations

Unfortunately nut jobs like her make things so much more difficult for actual victims of rape and sexual assault. Her interview with CNN was absolutely hilarious. They desperately want a stick to beat President Trump with but putting loons like her on show completely backfire.

SEPT 23 1989

His first project manager was a woman and his first head of security was an ex New York cop who was black

Both hand picked by himself

Odd choices for a sexist racist I would have thought

biko

Trump derangement syndrome is strong with some people.

dodderangler

As trump said perfectly “ she’s lying through her teeth. She’s not my type. She’s too ugly”

What a boss of a man.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Of course its true.

The man has been accused of sexual assault an drape numerous times. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women.

A dangerous mentality and a dangerous post. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Well done. :rolleyes:

Gimme A Pound

riemann wrote: »

These money grabbing attention seekers are making life much more difficult for genuine victims of sexual assault.

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Believe women.
Whether it happened or not is unimportant..

Still waters wrote: »

Shes a crunchy nutter, she should be locked up for making false allegations

Yeah where is the guarantee she's lying, folks? She seems nuts but that doesn't mean she's lying.
The way people keep saying "this is what makes it difficult for genuine rape victims to come forward" is such disingenuous sh1t. What makes it difficult to come forward is automatic dismissal of them (because women are so likely to be devious liars) like here.
And why do you personally feel like Frank Grimes OP?

steddyeddy wrote: »

No it's really not. I work in America and with a lot of people from New York. They hate him. Despite boasting he could turn the Empire State red, Hillary Clinton won in a landslide. In New York City, she took 79% of the vote. Isn't it unusual that in a city that apparently loves Trump they voted for someone he hated? It's nothing to do with Irish Catholics. That's a silly argument.

It's ludicrously silly and irrelevant. That poster is a fairly conservative Irish Catholic himself too. And lots of New Yorkers are Irish Catholics. Bizarre comment.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Of course its true.

The man has been accused of sexual assault an drape numerous times. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women.

Absolutely zero guarantee that it is true. No he hasn't admitted to rape.

Gimme A Pound

dodderangler wrote: »

As trump said perfectly “ she’s lying through her teeth. She’s not my type. She’s too ugly”

What a boss of a man.

Yeah so bad-ass and edgy. Particularly cool to have an arsehole attitude towards women.

I think a lot of nonsense is said about Trump for sure, but his adoring fans who pretend he does no wrong - cuz he's laddish etc - idiocy.

ILoveYourVibes

Jaime Drab Leg wrote: »

A dangerous mentality and a dangerous post. I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Well done. :rolleyes:

Trump admits to grabbing women by the pussy....then several women accuse him of it. Yet he still becomes president. And I am the one who is dangerous.


:rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Absolutely zero guarantee that it is true. No he hasn't admitted to rape.

She hasn't accused him of rape. Carroll has declined to describe the incident as rape. She has accused him of sexual misconduct. She has been VERY careful about that.

And yes he has admitted to that. He has said he can't control himself. Its on tape.

She has stated categorically it was not rape.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/27/18761024/e-jean-carroll-donald-trump-accusation-rape

ILoveYourVibes

He admitted to not being able to control himself around attractive women

' I just start kissing them I don't even ask'.

That is assault.

That is confessing to sexual misconduct.

He further alluded to further more serious sexual misconduct later in the conversation.

ILoveYourVibes

This should really go in CA.

Gimme A Pound

What the f is "ghost Trump"?

ILoveYourVibes

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

What the f is "ghost Trump"?

I dunno either.