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Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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    #392
    Small Wonder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Small Wonder


    Gatling wrote: »
    It would have easily shown he is a sexual deviant - child porn and animal porn shows ones feefed up individual

    He wasn't being tried as a sexual deviant, he was being tried for murder.


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    #393
    chicorytip
    Registered Users Posts: 4,107 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Beechwoodspark wrote:
    Scum of the worst order and I include the parents

    Beechwoodspark wrote:
    in that. They seemed to think the jury would fall for their scum sons complete bullsh1t LIES


    If you had a child who was on trial accused of a similar kind of crime what would be your own attitude and behaviour toward him or her? Would you be supportive or just abandon them to the rigour of the law? I think it's unfair to be too critical of these boys parents for at least appearing to be supportive of their children even if their guilt was apparent from an early stage.


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    #394
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-mother-concern-4648659-Jun2019/

    Good article, if not heartbreaking. I can't for the life of me understand why a beautiful young girl like her would be isolated and bullied, maybe I'm just completely out of touch with how teenagers are nowadays.
    She's not coming back, we can't undo the wrongs that were put upon her, what a world we live in.
    Because she was different and considered weird. Very standard teenage behaviour always.

    I can easily admit I wouldn't have come to her defence when I was a teen, purely due to cowardice (teenagers are obsessed with what people think). But I know for a fact I wouldn't have bullied her. There was always that unusual, vulnerable kid though. Always.

    Of course social media wasn't always around though, adding another layer to the torment. But people being abused on social media should just "grow a thicker skin" or the already excluded should just delete their accounts. :rolleyes:

    Ana reminds me of another young woman from my locality, who has similar special needs and unusual physical attributes. Experienced the same type of ridicule but my friend's absolute saint of a sister (let's call her Louise) stood up for her, didn't care what people thought, and became a fantastic friend to her. And saved her. Became responsible for her life being so much happier.

    If only Ana had a Louise...


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    #395
    MrFresh
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-mother-concern-4648659-Jun2019/

    Good article, if not heartbreaking. I can't for the life of me understand why a beautiful young girl like her would be isolated and bullied, maybe I'm just completely out of touch with how teenagers are nowadays.
    She's not coming back, we can't undo the wrongs that were put upon her, what a world we live in.


    Seems she was just too unique and that's the kind of thing kids target. Immigrant background, adopted, mental health issues, early puberty, individual style and, from the sounds of it, willing to stand up for herself and be independent. Hopefully the kids who teased her reflect on their behaviour and how they isolated her.


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    #396
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Small Wonder wrote: »
    He wasn't being tried as a sexual deviant, he was being tried for murder.
    Boy A was found guilty of murder and aggravated sexual assault.


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    #397
    Dante7
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    Small Wonder wrote: »
    He wasn't being tried as a sexual deviant, he was being tried for murder.

    He was also tried for sexual assault, and was also found guilty of that.


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    #398
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,124 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    What good is releasing their names going to do for anybody now?

    Maybe in the future it will alert people to them . It just might stop some women marrying a murderer . Yes name them and let us be aware of them


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    #399
    freshpopcorn
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    You can be amazed at the parents who stand by their children teenagers/adults.
    I've seen people going from all they should get the death penalty to them jumping through hoops to get them off when it was their kid.


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    #400
    Faugheen
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    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    Boy A was found guilty of murder and aggravated sexual assault.

    But how do porn images relate to this crime?

    I'm not asking what it says about Boy A, but the question is how it's relevant in this case.

    Having a few images does nothing but potentially cause a jury to be prejudiced against Boy A.

    As I said, unless any of those images are of Ana then they're irrelevant.


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    #401
    Thelonious Monk
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    You can be amazed at the parents who stand by their children teenagers/adults.
    I've seen people going from all they should get the death penalty to them jumping through hoops to get them off when it was their kid.

    It's human nature, I would have thought all parents would do same whether kids are guilty or not


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    #402
    El_Bee
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    blackwhite wrote: »
    I'm sure it's not your intention - but it's coming across as a bit of an unhealthy obsession with this case.


    Maybe he/she's a journalist/writer.


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    #403
    previous user
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    Where they from a council estate?


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    #404
    Small Wonder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Small Wonder


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was it 12,000? Seems a bit much.

    It's a a lot but you'd be surprised by how quickly stuff adds up on phones. I delete my gallery each night due to the sheer volume of inane crap my friends send to our group. But you're right, that's an enormous amount of images.


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    #405
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    You can be amazed at the parents who stand by their children teenagers/adults.
    I've seen people going from all they should get the death penalty to them jumping through hoops to get them off when it was their kid.

    It's called unconditional love.


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    #406
    Somedaythefire
    Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Somedaythefire


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But how do porn images relate to this crime?

    I'm not asking what it says about Boy A, but the question is how it's relevant in this case.

    Having a few images does nothing but potentially cause a jury to be prejudiced against Boy A.

    As I said, unless any of those images are of Ana then they're irrelevant.
    I don't really know. It wasn't a point I made, I was just providing context.


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    #407
    tayto lover
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Not so much Boy B, I can see why he would have taken his chance in court.

    Boy A was 100% guilty given the evidence and unless I missed something didn't actually put up a defense.

    Bizarre he didn't plead guilt and repent, given life is not mandatory for children.

    I would be astonished if that wasn't the legal advice he was given.

    Boy B is just as guilty and probably more evil. Conniving little sh1t.
    Lies, lies and even more lies. He enjoyed lying to the Gardai who saw through him and I’m delighted he was convicted. Pure scum.
    Boy A was also evil but not as big a liar as Boy B but he did the murdering and it was planned to the last minuet inch.

    Two of the most evil little b******* this country has ever produced.


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    #408
    Small Wonder
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    previous user wrote: »
    Where they from a council estate?

    Does it matter?


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    #409
    iamwhoiam
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    chicorytip wrote: »
    If you had a child who was on trial accused of a similar kind of crime what would be your own attitude and behaviour toward him or her? Would you be supportive or just abandon them to the rigour of the law? I think it's unfair to be too critical of these boys parents for at least appearing to be supportive of their children even if their guilt was apparent from an early stage.

    Boy B, s father shouted abuse at the Gardai and called them names and said his son was innocent . And this in front of Ana’s grieving patents . All sympathy gone now for Boy B father anyway


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    #410
    Bobblehats
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    Priscilla Mushy Banner wrote: »
    I think it was considered, in retrospect, to have been a mistake to have named them.

    Meh... we will find out in time who these two pricks are. And then they can serve their life sentence


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    #411
    Tomw86
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    It's called unconditional love.

    Loving them unconditionally but making them see right from wrong, and take the results of a wrong choice are what good parenting is all about.

    Loving them unconditionally and not making a point of letting them know they were wrong and trying to escape punishment is just lazy and bad parenting.


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    #412
    iamwhoiam
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    It's called unconditional love.

    Is it ? If my son did what these boys did I would be glad to see him punished
    In fact if either were mine I would live in fear of them doing it again .


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    #413
    bigpink
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    The names are spreading like wild fire


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    #414
    mariaalice
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    But how do porn images relate to this crime?

    I'm not asking what it says about Boy A, but the question is how it's relevant in this case.

    Having a few images does nothing but potentially cause a jury to be prejudiced against Boy A.

    As I said, unless any of those images are of Ana then they're irrelevant.

    Its not thousgh, lots of people watch pron and its has little effect on them( not no effect ) but they were very young teens their brains are not fully developed watching porn could have normalised violent sexual behavior for the boys.


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    #415
    Dante7
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    But how do porn images relate to this crime?

    I'm not asking what it says about Boy A, but the question is how it's relevant in this case.

    Having a few images does nothing but potentially cause a jury to be prejudiced against Boy A.

    As I said, unless any of those images are of Ana then they're irrelevant.

    Some of the porn images were of torture and of women tied to a post and one of them was a video with Anastasia in the title.


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    #416
    Feisar
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    Tomw86 wrote: »
    Loving them unconditionally but making them see right from wrong, and take the results of a wrong choice are what good parenting is all about.

    Loving them unconditionally and not making a point of letting them know they were wrong and trying to escape punishment is just lazy and bad parenting.
    However in this situation yer at DEFCON 5 and it's a case of damage limitation. It's not a like they kicked the family dog.

    What baffles me is how did they think they would get away with it.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    Gerianam
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Gerianam


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-mother-concern-4648659-Jun2019/

    Good article, if not heartbreaking. I can't for the life of me understand why a beautiful young girl like her would be isolated and bullied, maybe I'm just completely out of touch with how teenagers are nowadays.
    She's not coming back, we can't undo the wrongs that were put upon her, what a world we live in.

    Ana was bullied because she was different...that is all.


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    Scotty #
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thousands of images in the day of always on internet and streaming? There is a chance I'm very out of touch though.
    Small Wonder wrote: »
    They were possibly sent on WhatsApp, or something similar, which automatically saves the images to the photo album in the phone.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was it 12,000? Seems a bit much.

    These were most likely found in the internet 'cache' or 'temporary Internet files' rather than images that were specifically downloaded. Every time you view a web page (unless you have caching turned off) ALL the images on the page are downloaded to your cache so the next time you visit the page, the page loads faster. Visiting just two or thee porn pages could result in hundreds if not thousands of pornographic images being found on the device. I would say it is not unusual to find similar quantities on most 13 your old boys phones.

    I found his internet search history to be for more telling, and disturbing.


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    #419
    Small Wonder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Small Wonder


    Somedaythefire wrote: »
    Boy A was found guilty of murder and aggravated sexual assault.
    Dante7 wrote: »
    He was also tried for sexual assault, and was also found guilty of that.

    So what's the issue then?


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    #420
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Is it ? If my son did what these boys did I would be glad to see him punished
    In fact if either were mine I would live in fear of them doing it again .

    So would I, however I'd never abandon the child, no matter what the crime.

    The thing is parents often can't think rationally about their own committing such heinous crime. They just refuse to believe it.


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    #421
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Just read the thing about one of the contemptible pieces of sh1t saying she developed ahead of other girls and wore slutty clothes that emphasised her breasts. I was "wtf" and then I remembered all the abuse the girls aged 12 and 13 with big boobs got in my class (from boys AND girls) and how this made them "sluts".

    Mad how toxic kids can be. And they don't lick it off the stones.


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