Batwoman is WOKE!

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIiPcv4_iY

Ok see this trailer of a new series about Batwoman.

Ok Batwoman, that's cool. I can get in to that.

But I have a feeling if you reversed the roles here it would not go unremarked on :pac:


Let's say Batwoman ran away to leave Gotham fend for itself.

And then Batman found Batwoman's cave and decided "I need you to fix her suit" to which a female butler replies "but it's perfection" and Batman says "It will be when it fits a MAN!"


And at the end Batman says "I'm not about to let a woman take credit for a man's work"

To blaring background music - "I'm a MANNNNN!!!"




Not all men are bad. We do have our uses. Also the ironing of that line about not taking credit for a woman's work is delicious

AllForIt

battywoman

Chozer youz3r name

is Barbara Gordon all grown up?

kowloon

Moved to TV forum in 3... 2...

One eyed Jack

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But I have a feeling if you reversed the roles here it would not go unremarked on :pac:

The roles as they are in that movie would have gone unremarked upon too had you not remarked upon them and drawn attention to that awful shìte. It’s almost like you’re more woke than the most woke :pac:

Meh, I remember the consternation caused by the codpieces in the Batman and Robin movie, Chris O’ Donnell’s was bigger... apparently (I wasn’t looking that closely :pac:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6gACml4h0

DelaneyIn

Possibly the most unnatural dialogue ever.

“The suit is literal perfection”

“It will be... When it fits a woman”

Who the hell talks like that?

Outlaw Pete

The pink pound has dried up and now it's about getting some of that pandering pound.

Bunny Colvin

Can't wait to see the trailer for Wonderman

BeerWolf

All them action sound effects makes me think of a Bollywood film, and that mask looks so stupid on her.

RWCNT

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Possibly the most unnatural dialogue ever.

“The suit is literal perfection”

“It will be... When it fits a woman”

Who the hell talks like that?

Can't stand unrealistic dialogue in films about people who dress up as animals and fight crime.

silverharp

its Batma'am thank you veeeery much!

Hobosan

RWCNT wrote: »

Can't stand unrealistic dialogue in films about people who dress up as animals and fight crime.

I sense sarcasm here, but Raging Bull, considered a great film by many, is about a horse that becomes a professional boxer and that had very believable dialogue.

DelaneyIn

RWCNT wrote: »

Can't stand unrealistic dialogue in films about people who dress up as animals and fight crime.

I'm all for great female protagonists, but this dialouge was literally "I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN I'M A WOMAN BTW I'M A WOMAN." It's just an empty puppet used for a political statement. The creators need to look at WonderWoman to see a good example. The original Batwoman is an amazing character. This is just cringeworthy.

Sprog 4

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Can't wait to see the trailer for Wonderman

Or He-Woman

Zorya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7upTaV73A

Your time is up, lads.

MrFresh

What a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

Wibbs

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Possibly the most unnatural dialogue ever.

“The suit is literal perfection”

“It will be... When it fits a woman”

Who the hell talks like that?

Bad writers seeking to write sermons of whatever their faith is rather than dialogue, supported by investors jumping onto whatever bandwagon they think will return the most cash. Plus it appears to be aimed at the kids market, particularly young girls so that's part of it. I caught an episode of Supergirl(I think they're from the same crowd?) once and thought it pretty daft, but then quickly realised, oh wait, I'm not a 10 year old girl, it's not aimed at me so big deal. Complaining about it would be like me dissecting Peppa Pig for its lack of realism.

It's not helped by an actress so awful it's puzzling why she gets so promoted. More of the "woke" stuff I suppose? We got a gender fluid, tatted up lesbian with more publicly declared neurosis's than a Woody Allen flic who's in the papers all the time. She can't act? Who cares, she'll bring in some demographic or other. They jammed her into a John Wick film and to minimise her woodenness made her a deaf mute. Even then the scenery had more personality.

I suppose this stuff and that captain marvel thing is kinda like a currently popular "feminist" rehash of the roided up daftly wooden muscle heads that were popular in the 80's? Yer Jean Claude Van Damme's weren't going to be doing Hamlet anytime soon. Though at least Arnie tried to play it for laughs a lot of the time.

I'm not sure of what their Message™ is though. Going by that it seems it's a woman can't make anything of her own, instead she steals a man's idea, reputation and property and claims it all for herself. OK...

Silentcorner

Wibbs wrote: »

Bad writers seeking to write sermons of whatever their faith is rather than dialogue, supported by investors jumping onto whatever bandwagon they think will return the most cash. Plus it appears to be aimed at the kids market, particularly young girls so that's part of it. I caught an episode of Supergirl(I think they're from the same crowd?) once and thought it pretty daft, but then quickly realised, oh wait, I'm not a 10 year old girl, it's not aimed at me so big deal. Complaining about it would be like me dissecting Peppa Pig for its lack of realism.

It's not helped by an actress so awful it's puzzling why she gets so promoted. More of the "woke" stuff I suppose? We got a gender fluid, tatted up lesbian with more publicly declared neurosis's than a Woody Allen flic who's in the papers all the time. She can't act? Who cares, she'll bring in some demographic or other. They jammed her into a John Wick film and to minimise her woodenness made her a deaf mute. Even then the scenery had more personality.

I suppose this stuff and that captain marvel thing is kinda like a currently popular "feminist" rehash of the roided up daftly wooden muscle heads that were popular in the 80's? Yer Jean Claude Van Damme's weren't going to be doing Hamlet anytime soon. Though at least Arnie tried to play it for laughs a lot of the time.

I'm not sure of what their Message™ is though. Going by that it seems it's a woman can't make anything of her own, instead she steals a man's idea, reputation and property and claims it all for herself. OK...

This seems to be a running theme in Hollywood these days...if the amount of "woke" reboots are anything to go by, they are all flopping, it seems it wasn't misogyny holding these feminists back...it was a complete lack of creativity and decent scripts.

Sonny noggs

MrFresh wrote: »

What a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

Right on cue, well done you. Now you just need to learn the difference between someone being upset and someone calmly pointing out hypocrisy.

Zorya

MrFresh wrote: »

What a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

Don't think people are upset at all. More like they just think it's silly. It's patronising and oh so very dull. And that actress is really bad.

Alf Veedersane

Hobosan wrote: »

I sense sarcasm here, but Raging Bull, considered a great film by many, is about a horse that becomes a professional boxer and that had very believable dialogue.

It was actually a cow that became a professional boxer but they used horses for filming because cows don't look like cows on film.

One eyed Jack

Zorya wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7upTaV73A

Your time is up, lads.

I thought they might have ripped that scene straight out of Terminator because they figured the audience wouldn’t be old enough to remember, it would give the movie some semblance of originality. But then I realised it was more likely to be “woke humour”...

It’s not even upsetting, it just doesn’t make any sense

Fr_Dougal

Hopefully it will be a success.

Are they planning on making a Ghostbusters 2?

Zorya

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I thought they might have ripped that scene straight out of Terminator because they figured the audience wouldn’t be old enough to remember, it would give the movie some semblance of originality. But then I realised it was more likely to be “woke humour”...

It’s not even upsetting, it just doesn’t make any sense

To be honest I have some inkling it is a deleted scene (not sure on that)...but nonetheless it is indicative of the ''mood board'', shall we say. It also has ''The Don'' :rolleyes: oh you clever people. And then it fncks the message up with some really bad driving at the end :pac:

The amount of Netflx stuff I have switched off after 15 minutes in the past few months because I am so fricking weary of being lectured. It's a bore.

Wibbs

Silentcorner wrote: »

This seems to be a running theme in Hollywood these days...if the amount of "woke" reboots are anything to go by, they are all flopping, it seems it wasn't misogyny holding these feminists back...it was a complete lack of creativity and decent scripts.

I agree on the lack of creativity and decent scripts, but I'd say that's across the board, not just the "woke" stuff, though it creeps in everywhere. QV the last two Star Wars outings. Yeah there was the "woke" stuff, but more than that they were appallingly badly written(one a cynical near scene for scene remake, the other a clatter of bad pacing and plot). But they got bums on seats because of the brand. The Star Wars/Marvel juggernauts near guarantee big returns no matter what bilge they put on the screen. The fan buy in is so strong and the comic con announcements are like Triumph of the Will for nerds. The ghostbusters flic died a death alright, but IIRC the all woman cast Oceans whatever number they're up to now turned a good profit(and fair enough as it didn't have the comic book stuff to support it). Captain Marvel ditto.

conorhal

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

"I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work"

Coming from the chick that has literally broken into the bat-cave and stolen all of Batman's $h1t, including his costume? That's Alanis Morisette levels of understanding of the word ironic.

Why are SJW's always all about demanding unearned recognition?


This crap is clearly outrage marketing. It's the two articles for the price of one premise. One article about the trailer and the second wailing about the hostile reaction from man-babies that they deliberately provoked with antagonistic clickbait.

Fourier

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm not sure of what their Message™ is though. Going by that it seems it's a woman can't make anything of her own, instead she steals a man's idea, reputation and property and claims it all for herself. OK...

So you're saying a woke tv show is "problematic" with regard to how it portrays women?

Wibbs confirmed as "ultra woke". :eek:

ThunbergsAreGo

Why do US shows write such unlikeable lead characters

Sonny noggs

That ‘when it fits a woman line’ - I thought women were all shapes and sizes and we are no longer encouraging body shaming and should accept women for what they were? Or is she referring to a stereotypical woman shape that all women should be aspiring to? (presumably meaning her own body shape since she plans to wear it?)

batgoat

Not majorly sold on the trailer but more because I'm a bit jaded with the genre. But worth pointing out that the OP would likely say the same about Doom Patrol. But it's easily one of the best shows of the year.

mad muffin

You can’t have batwoman without man in it.

Sonny noggs

Is she playing a lesbian batwoman?

batgoat

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Is she playing a lesbian batwoman?

She's been a lesbian for years in the comics. So what's the problem?

Sonny noggs

batgoat wrote: »

She's been a lesbian for years in the comics. So what's the problem?

Just asked the question, why so defensive?

batgoat

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Just asked the question, why so defensive?

Because it's pretty clear that you wanted to go in an outraged direction.

Sonny noggs

batgoat wrote: »

Because it's pretty clear that you wanted to go in an outraged direction.

Calm down, you will give yourself a stroke.

Gimme A Pound

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It was actually a cow that became a professional boxer but they used horses for filming because cows don't look like cows on film.

And for horses they tape a bunch of cats together.

MrFresh

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Right on cue, well done you. Now you just need to learn the difference between someone being upset and someone calmly pointing out hypocrisy.

I recognise a snowflake when I see one. The same people who feel attacked whenever there's a positive focus on women, homosexuals, foreigners or anything that they don't feel represents them.

One eyed Jack

batgoat wrote: »

She's been a lesbian for years in the comics. So what's the problem?

She’s the wrong kind of lesbian, and she’s not Jewish -

Ruby Rose Exits Twitter After ‘Batwoman’ Casting Backlash, Says Fans Calling Her the Wrong Lesbian for the Role Is ‘Ridiculous’

The CW announced August 7 that Ruby Rose, the Australian actress best known for her breakout role on “Orange is the New Black,” would be leading its upcoming “Batwoman” television series in the title role, but not every fan of the comic book superhero was thrilled with the casting announcement. Angry “Batwoman” fans took to social media in the days following Rose’s hiring to slam the decision by using the hashtag #RecastBatwoman. Fans complained that Rose was the wrong LGBTQ actor to play the superhero and noted that, unlike the character in the comics, Rose is not Jewish.


I’m not sure whether I’m reading satire or not any more, it’s as though “social justice” has become a parody of itself. They’re definitely getting the “heroes” they deserve.

Zorya

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m not sure whether I’m reading satire or not any more, it’s as though “social justice” has become a parody of itself. They’re definitely getting the “heroes” they deserve.

Today I saw that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez finds cauliflower to be ''colonial''.

We are well beyond parody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvjROjFHbQ4

(Here it is ...after the bit where she is stunned by compOHHsting)

recedite

What is Catwoman going to think of this? There was always a bit of sexual tension between her and Batman.
Now she's going to have to discover her inner lesbian.

Either that, or the two of them can resolve this by getting down and dirty in a mudwrestling fight.

Wibbs

Fourier wrote: »

So you're saying a woke tv show is "problematic" with regard to how it portrays women?

Wibbs confirmed as "ultra woke". :eek:

:eek: :D Guilty as charged. Joke is one of the biggest reasons I can't abide current "feminism" and a few other isms with it is that it paints women as perpetual victims and wants society and men to treat them as hair trigger neurotics who will get an attack of the vapours at the merest perceived slight. How society was expected to treat women in victorian times is not so far removed from what current feminists would want women be treated, with extra get out of gaol free cards. Nothing like the women I know and have known.

batgoat wrote: »

But worth pointing out that the OP would likely say the same about Doom Patrol. But it's easily one of the best shows of the year.

I like Doom Patrol myself. Wonderfully daft interesting and inventive and head and shoulders above similar I've seen in the oul comic book genre on telly.

The whole superhero in capes stuff leaves me cold TBH and I haven't read a comic since I was about 15. Even as a kid I wasn't so into the whole marvel/DC thing. Was more a Judge Dredd guy myself.

Sonny noggs

recedite wrote: »

What is Catwoman going to think of this? There was always a bit of sexual tension between her and Batman.
Now she's going to have to discover her inner lesbian.

Either that, or the two of them can resolve this by getting down and dirty in a mudwrestling fight.

With lots of slow motion shots and camera angles. Jelly might be better than mud though.

Wibbs

Zorya wrote: »

Today I saw that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez finds cauliflower to be ''colonial''.

We are well beyond parody.


(Here it is ...after the bit where she is stunned by compOHHsting)

Silly cow. :rolleyes: If she's so against the "colonial lens" then she should cast off her clothes and all her tech and social media while she's at it, as the vast majority of that stuff is White Man Juju. Don't speak English or Spanish either. Hell, her Spanish name might be self "triggering" if she thinks on it. If she thinks that is, beyond her next twitter friendly stream of ballsology.

MonkeyTennis

Doom Patrol is fantastic

Zorya

Wibbs wrote: »

Silly cow. :rolleyes: If she's so against the "colonial lens" then she should cast off her clothes and all her tech and social media while she's at it, as the vast majority of that stuff is White Man Juju. Don't speak English or Spanish either. Hell, her Spanish name might be self "triggering" if she thinks on it. If she thinks that is, beyond her next twitter friendly stream of ballsology.

I cannot bear her. Silly cow is right.

banie01

The trend to push strong women front and centre is all too often handled poorly and I'm not going to judge BatWoman on a trailer but look at the "rage" it's generated already?
My own 1st reaction was FFS here we go again with hitting stereotype and buttons solely for political correctness sake...
But I hope I'm wrong and it's just a viral promo strategy.

Purely coincidentally I rewatched the 1st Episode of the 2003 BSG mini-series last night and IMO it segues well into this latest bit of faux outrage.
I think BSG is a great model for anyone trying to frame strong female writing into a traditional male paradigm.
From the recasting of Starbuck and the anger over it at the time to the character really becoming integral and inseperable from the story.
The relationships between Adams and Roslin and how she exercised executive power and even thru to the "greatest" warrior being a woman Admiral Cain.

The whole female cast across the series, written as people rather than gender even when pursuing reproduction should be an object lesson in diversity and character development.

The current trend to write characters that are seen as triggers or provocation solely for provocations sake is to my mind lazy and lacks any real insight.

lertsnim

That looks hilariously ****.

batgoat

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Doom Patrol is fantastic

My favourite portrayal of a "genderqueer street" to date.

TheValeyard

This the same group behind Supergirl, Flash, Arrow, Legends?

McDermotX

Load of ****