Over-23s Pubs

misstearheus

Have just discovered there is such a thing as an Over-23s Pub! When did this become a thing?! How does that actually work if 18 is the universal legal age? I guess it's just an Owner's final say scenario is it?

TheValeyard

It's a great idea and I welcome it.

North of 32

What a disgrace. Young people are more responsible and interesting than ever. I would much prefer to spend my time with Gen-Z than Brexit-Backing-Boomers.

The voting age should be lowered to 16 as well. Bring on the youth.

myshirt

Hopefully a precursor to moving the legal drinking age to 23.

18 is way too young to put a drink into the hands of a person. They're a child effectively, especially now with how long it takes them to fly the coop.

Gatling

Now if anyone happens to find a over 30s bar let me know

L1011

Once an age limit is strictly and uniformly enforced its entirely legit. Over 21s pubs are very common; over 23s less so but there are even some over 30s nightclubs in Dublin at least.

Not actually sure why its allowed, considering it doesn't work for every other protected discrimination category; but it is.

Your Face

I drink at home in the garden at night.

misstearheus

Thank you that is very helpful L.

Soooo 18 isn't actually "the" legal age anymore then really if some places are Over-23s and Over-30s... Hhmmm interesting... So, in a way, ya could say there actually isn't A legal age at all anymore!! 'Cos how can ya say it's one or the other or the other other lol! Would it not kinda need to be just one age and uniform like..... Very interesting...

misstearheus

Is there a List anywhere of which Pubs in Ireland are Over-18 and which are Over-23s?

Or do ya have to just go up to door and have ID checked to find out then?!? What if you had intentionally gone to a certain Pub in a certain area like for a night or something, and ya get turned away without even knowing they were Over-23s. That would be so so maddening. Not to mention kind-of un-fair when ya don't know in the first place!

odyssey06

myshirt wrote: »

Hopefully a precursor to moving the legal drinking age to 23.

18 is way too young to put a drink into the hands of a person. They're a child effectively, especially now with how long it takes them to fly the coop.

They aint children and if you think a legal age increase would stop such resourceful young adults from accessing drink you are kidding yourself.

Better to be having a drink in a pub, restaurant or at a gig than giving it even more of an air of illicitness in fields and house parties.

myshirt

misstearheus wrote: »

Thank you that is very helpful L.

Soooo 18 isn't actually "the" legal age anymore then really if some places are Over-23s and Over-30s... Hhmmm interesting... So, in a way, ya could say there actually isn't A legal age at all anymore!! 'Cos how can ya say it's one or the other or the other other lol! Would it not kinda need to be just one age and uniform like..... Very interesting...

Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country for the night, or get magically drunk from a few 7-ups.

I steer clear of such self-conscious posturing. An unspoken rule of thumb is good enough.

Galwayguy35

L1011 wrote: »

Once an age limit is strictly and uniformly enforced its entirely legit. Over 21s pubs are very common; over 23s less so but there are even some over 30s nightclubs in Dublin at least.

Not actually sure why its allowed, considering it doesn't work for every other protected discrimination category; but it is.

You'd often see a sign "the managemant reserve the right to refuse admission", maybe that's how they get around it.

It's a good idea anyway, I like the sound of an over 30s nightclub.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The owner can reserve the right to refuse entry.

It's nothing to do with drinking age.

Gatling

myshirt wrote: »

Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country for the night, or get magically drunk from a few 7-ups.

And add the oul management have a right to refuse admission policies being 18 doesn't guarantee that you will be drinking in a pub or club

misstearheus

myshirt wrote: »

Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country for the night, or get magically drunk from a few 7-ups.

Don't understand ya. Would the implementation of said certain legal required age not be the right required?!

odyssey06

Some nightclubs seem to have an under 30 door policy...

banie01

18 is the legal age OP.
The "over 23" pub however has made a decision not to cater to that segment of the market and reserves the right of admission and has set 23 as its age for entry.

Allinall

They’re called public houses, but they are private businesses, and can let in ( or not) whoever the fcuk they like.

myshirt

misstearheus wrote: »

Don't understand ya. Would the implementation of said certain legal required age not be the right required?!

Nope.

And by way of background, I'm a former solicitor.

If you have a Google app on your phone, delete it. Let the lesson be learned that googling something or talking to the local expert on everything" in a taxi or a pub is never a replacement for a law degree. Ever. You haven't a rashers what you're on about, and you couldn't be further from the mark.

The answer to your question and assumptions is no, nope, no, and never. This is why I worry about Google. Everyone with Google is an expert now.

misstearheus

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The owner can reserve the right to refuse entry.

It's nothing to do with drinking age.

In fairness though, in a general understanding, turning 18 means 2 things youre legally allowed to drink and legally allowed to drive. That's all the un-spoken rules made available.

That Notice would largely/mainly translate/equate to Entry refused based upon level of drunken-ness. If that starts including age, it would want to be clarified or noted separately.


Okay Thread can be locked now. Mercy buckets! Oh actually I can delete it shure can't I. Thanks folks! Gosh it's interesting what you wouldn't know! When, it's not really made public information as such.

kunst nugget

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's a good idea anyway, I like the sound of an over 30s nightclub.

It would go bust in no time. When it didn't have its twice a year trip from parents getting pissed on five pints because they can't hold their alcohol anymore but they try to keep it lit because 'it might be the last night we make it out ever!!!!', there'd be the overwhelming stench of desperation from singletons hoping they'll find anyone with a pulse to marry them before they eggs dry up or the hair falls out completely.

Allinall

You can legally drive when you’re 17, or 16 for a motorbike or tractor.

Get Real

Gatling wrote: »

Now if anyone happens to find a over 30s bar let me know

Black door on Harcourt Street generally have a 28+ policy. Not quite 30, but almost!

odyssey06

Allinall wrote: »

They’re called public houses, but they are private businesses, and can let in ( or not) whoever the fcuk they like.

On an individual basis yes. On a collective basis no. They can say No team colours they cant say no coloured people.

Allinall

odyssey06 wrote: »

On an individual basis yes. On a collective basis no. They can say No team colours they cant say no coloured people.

They don’t have to say anything.

misstearheus

myshirt wrote: »

Nope.

And by way of background, I'm a former solicitor.

If you have a Google app on your phone, delete it. Let the lesson be learned that googling something or talking to the local expert on everything" in a taxi or a pub is never a replacement for a law degree. Ever. You haven't a rashers what you're on about, and you couldn't be further from the mark.

The answer to your question and assumptions is no, nope, no, and never. This is why I worry about Google. Everyone with Google is an expert now.

Google not part of anything at all. The idea of the Thread is because I don't know!


What do you mean the answer to my question? What question? What question are you answering? You aren't actually answering anything! It's widely known that turning 18 makes it legal to drink and legal to drive! What have you answered??! What I am asking about is how is one supposed to know this?

If you're saying 18 isn't the legal age to drink then why was there an age of 18 to become legal brought in? Answer the questions and don't answer things ya feel like or things that weren't even asked!


Why get so het-up when you could discuss the Topic rather than be so dismissive. Part of the reason for opening the Thread was as discussion in terms of the different age limits and requirements and how it would all work out. But instead of that, your Post is just all negative one-way. It's supposed to be a Discussion Forum. I havn't at any point inferred I'm a legal eagle or did any googling on it! My discussion was about the workings of it. What I was trying to point it is that far and wide the un-written rule is commonly known standing is that 18 is / was the legal age.

You could have, if you wanted to, brought in your legal stance in discussing the ages and all that. But no this is just trying to shout me down and it could have been a nice discussion topic, so forget about it altogether.

misstearheus

Mods kindly lock or delete this now. Thank you.

myshirt

misstearheus wrote: »

Google not part of anything at all. The idea of the Thread is because I don't know!


What do you mean the answer to my question? What question? What question are you answering? You aren't actually answering anything! It's widely known that turning 18 makes it legal to drink and legal to drive! What have you answered??! What I am asking about is how is one supposed to know this?

If you're saying 18 isn't the legal age to drink then why was there an age of 18 to become legal brought in? Answer the questions and don't answer things ya feel like or things that weren't even asked!

You said would the implementation of said legal age not be the right required.

A one hand face palm is not enough. A two handed face palm is required here.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Get Real wrote: »

Black door on Harcourt Street generally have a 28+ policy. Not quite 30, but almost!

When I was growing up our old golf club bar had something similar.

They generally didn't want under 30s in the place. It was a bit of a social club for the older members.

It was men only at one time too.

Arghus

myshirt wrote: »

You said would the implementation of said legal age not be the right required.

A one hand face palm is not enough. A two handed face palm is required here.

Seems like you are making a big deal about it.

We get it: YOU ARE THE LAW.

Why would an 18-year-old want to go into a pub thats clearly trying to attract an older clientele? personally, prefer pubs with a broad range of ages where all ages talk to each other. I was in a pub of what has now become a suburb of Limerick a few weeks ago. It was kind of funny because the pub has gone a bit trendy but still a few aul lad at the bar with a flat caps on.

The person I was with pointed out its still their local despite the gin and whiskey tasting and the craft beer.

misstearheus

myshirt wrote: »

Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country for the night, or get magically drunk from a few 7-ups.

misstearheus wrote: »

Don't understand ya. Would the implementation of said certain legal required age not be the right required?!

myshirt wrote: »

You said would the implementation of said legal age not be the right required.



A one hand face palm is not enough. A two handed face palm is required here.

I don't see why any Facepalms are required here at all! It was a genuine point! myshirt said Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country. My understanding was that becoming 18 has traditionally always been seen and viewed as the right to do this!! Hence what COULD HAVE been a discussion on ages and entry etc. If turning 18 didn't give an 18 year old a right to do this I don't see your answer anywhere telling me what the idea of what else setting a legal age of 18 was actually for! All you have managed to do is un-necessarily question my intellect for absolutely no reason whatsoever. :mad:

DEFTLEFTHAND

mariaalice wrote: »

Why would an 18-year-old want to go into a pub thats clearly trying to attract an older clientele? personally, prefer pubs with a broad range of ages where all ages talk to each other. I was in a pub of what has now become a suburb of Limerick a few weeks ago. It was kind of funny because the pub has gone a bit trendy but still a few aul lad at the bar with a flat caps on.

The person I was with pointed out its still there local despite the gin and whiskey tasting and the craft beer.

Poor auld fellas.

I'd say they're devastated that their natural habitat has been hijacked by hipsters.

freshpopcorn

mariaalice wrote: »

Why would an 18-year-old want to go into a pub thats clearly trying to attract an older clientele? personally, prefer pubs with a broad range of ages where all ages talk to each other. I was in a pub of what has now become a suburb of Limerick a few weeks ago. It was kind of funny because the pub has gone a bit trendy but still a few aul lad at the bar with a flat caps on.

The person I was with pointed out its still there local despite the gin and whiskey tasting and the craft beer.

When I was 18 the over the 21's/23's clubs were more attractive because you had a better chance of meeting a more mature woman!

dxhound2005

This is the law.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2003/act/31/section/25/enacted/en/html

If—

(a) the holder of a licence or other authorisation which permits the sale of intoxicating liquor adopts a policy of refusing to supply intoxicating liquor to any person below a specified age which exceeds 18 years,

(b) a notice setting out the policy is displayed in a conspicuous place in or on the exterior of the premises, and

(c) the policy is implemented in good faith,

a refusal to serve intoxicating liquor to such a person shall not constitute discrimination on the age ground.

Thelonious Monk

Gatling wrote: »

Now if anyone happens to find a over 30s bar let me know

I'm 38 and was in that fancy House place on Leeson St a few weeks ago on a Saturday night and felt like a youngfella compared to all the dolled up aul wans. It was great!
OP when you get a bit older anyone under the age of about 26 looks like a 12 year old, enjoy being young while you can.

Galwayguy35

kunst nugget wrote: »

It would go bust in no time. When it didn't have its twice a year trip from parents getting pissed on five pints because they can't hold their alcohol anymore but they try to keep it lit because 'it might be the last night we make it out ever!!!!', there'd be the overwhelming stench of desperation from singletons hoping they'll find anyone with a pulse to marry them before they eggs dry up or the hair falls out completely.

You have a very distorted view of people over 30

Galwayguy35

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm 38 and was in that fancy House place on Leeson St a few weeks ago on a Saturday night and felt like a youngfella compared to all the dolled up aul wans. It was great!
OP when you get a bit older anyone under the age of about 26 looks like a 12 year old, enjoy being young while you can.

Sounds ideal, there's a lot of fine looking women in their 40s and 50s out there.

Thelonious Monk

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sounds ideal, there's a lot of fine looking women in their 40s and 50s out there.

Wrights in Malahide is the Mecca of dolled up well to do aulones

Isn't there a pub in Dublin when you have to book to get in and pint is something like 10euro.

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When I was 18 the over the 21's/23's clubs were more attractive because you had a better chance of meeting a more mature woman!

When you were 18 were you not into the student pubs with cheap drink.

Snotty

misstearheus wrote: »

I don't see why any Facepalms are required here at all! It was a genuine point! myshirt said Just because you are 18 doesn't give you a right to sip the one pint in any pub across the country. My understanding was that becoming 18 has traditionally always been seen and viewed as the right to do this!! Hence what COULD HAVE been a discussion on ages and entry etc. If turning 18 didn't give an 18 year old a right to do this I don't see your answer anywhere telling me what the idea of what else setting a legal age of 18 was actually for! All you have managed to do is un-necessarily question my intellect for absolutely no reason whatsoever. :mad:

The poster is giving you the reason why your statement is wrong, it's not a topic that is up for discussion as the owner of the pub can choose who they want as customers, they law only gives you the right to purchase alcohol from somewhere willing to sell it.
Every pub, off license and shop selling drink in Ireland could close tomorrow, the law won't change, you can still buy a drink, it's just there is nowhere to serve the drink to you.

Regarding your question on where are these age limits advertised, they usually won't, it's probably smart of them to not advertise it, if they did they could open themselves to discrimination cases as age is a ground of discrimination, but licenses premisies are private establishments and its the same as your own home, you dont have to let anyone into your home unless you want to.

Balmed Out

Not a new thing was certainly happening 20 years ago.