Magic Mushrooms for everybody in the audience

magic_murph

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/denver-becomes-first-us-city-to-decriminalise-magic-mushrooms-38094797.html

Whats your thoughts on this - would you welcome the same change here?
Any interest in visiting the 3rd dimension on the back of a fungi inspired train?

Personally I think it's a good move. Microdosing has proven very effective in treating a number of ailments

Deebles McBeebles

Return to Oz? Yeah, go on then.

KikiLaRue

magic_murph wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/denver-becomes-first-us-city-to-decriminalise-magic-mushrooms-38094797.html

Whats your thoughts on this - would you welcome the same change here?
Any interest in visiting the 3rd dimension on the back of a fungi inspired train?

Personally I think it's a good move. Microdosing has proven very effective in treating a number of ailments

I would.

I had some wonderful, life-affirming experiences on magic mushrooms/ LSD. Right now, I'm committed to not taking any form of mind-altering drug as I'm sober, but I go back and forth as to whether I should be including shrooms in my recovery.

Trying to make something that grows up the hill there illegal is pointless anyway.

JohnnyFlash

Took them for the 1st time last year. Outstanding experience. One of the most fulfilling and insightful things I’ve ever done.

magic_murph

tell us more Johnny - was it just a good buzz or did you change your outlook / attitude towards life after the experience?

JMNolan

I've heard (not sure if there is science to back it up) that micro dosing has benefits without the impairment of normal dosages.

suicide_circus

i'm not your typical crusty but i guarantee if everyone had even one proper psilocybin or DMT experience in their lives, the world would be a happier place. Puts absolutely everything in perspective.

Chris_Heilong

The fewer people taking drugs in Ireland the better.

magic_murph

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The fewer people taking drugs in Ireland the better.

Chris - your mom just called. Your dinner is ready.

Grayson

I tried them in amsterdam years ago. I was there with friends who had tried them before. So we went to a headshop and asked about them. The guy had loads and they were all rated 1 - 5 for strength. One of my mates went for the 5's. They would give an intense tripping experience. Another who'd had a bad experience went for the 1's. they would give you a giggly happy feeling. I went for the 3's because they were called philosophers stones and have you an introspective type of high.

My friends got their mixed up. The mate who bought the 1's ended up under a blanket hiding from the TV for most of the night. Personally I experienced a bit of time speeding up and slowing down for 5 minutes and that was it.

I spent another night with friends who were on mushrooms. I was sitting on a couch and got up, got a glass of water and sat down again. My fried I was sitting next to said "grayson, where did you come from?" I said I had been there the whole night. He said "No. I've been talking to Adam Sandler for the whole night"

His trip was that I was Adam sandler. Honestly, that seems like a waste of a good trip.

sbsquarepants

One thing I've noticed throughout my long love affair with the auld mushies, is that they just didn't seem to care that they were made illegal - they just went on about their mushroom business.

That's just how they roll.

Badass little motherfúckers:D

magic_murph

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'm not your typical crusty but i guarantee if everyone had even one proper psilocybin or DMT experience in their lives, the world would be a happier place. Puts absolutely everything in perspective.

Totally agree - I am sure there is a small % where it would be a negative experience but that could be the same as anything.
I like peanuts but somebody else would die if they dived into a bath of the little salty nuggets.

Hoboo

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

The fewer people taking drugs in Ireland the better.

Cause drugs are baaaad, m'kay.

circadian

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'm not your typical crusty but i guarantee if everyone had even one proper psilocybin or DMT experience in their lives, the world would be a happier place. Puts absolutely everything in perspective.

I'd agree. Hitting the DMT wall of "I'm going to die if I take another hit" then bashing through it is absolutely indescribable.

sbsquarepants

circadian wrote: »

I'd agree. Hitting the DMT wall of "I'm going to die if I take another hit" then bashing through it is absolutely indescribable.

DMT is the one thing on my wish list that I never got to try. I did try some synthetic copy version of it which was complete whacky races territory but never the real stuff.

Haven't done any drugs in years but that DMT itch is still there to be scratched. Maybe one day!

ILoveYourVibes

suicide_circus

magic_murph wrote: »

Totally agree - I am sure there is a small % where it would be a negative experience but that could be the same as anything.
I like peanuts but somebody else would die if they dived into a bath of the little salty nuggets.

i'd almost treat them like a vaccine - might make some people sick but the benefits in terms of the health of the heard far outweigh the negatives.

when you've blasted through the space/time continuum, spoken to yourself as a child, met strange entities from another dimension and realised that all living creatures are one then youre less likely to sweat the small stuff.

Wibbs

Ayahuasca now that's a heavy hitter.

KikiLaRue

Wibbs wrote: »

Ayahuasca now that's a heavy hitter.

That's the one I really want to do. I have a friend who lived in Peru and went deep with it - he's a proper flower child. He's done it dozens of times whereas most people do it once or maybe twice.

I'd like to try it.

If you want a quick trip try salvia divinorum.
Absolutely hilarious stuff for about 10mins .
Talk about going to another planet!

Anteayer

This is what happened last time they had legal magic mushrooms over there - seems to have contained just a smigeon of actual magic mushroom extract, which explains 80s fashion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBG0-nUZMd0

circadian

sbsquarepants wrote: »

DMT is the one thing on my wish list that I never got to try. I did try some synthetic copy version of it which was complete whacky races territory but never the real stuff.

Haven't done any drugs in years but that DMT itch is still there to be scratched. Maybe one day!

Definitely life changing if you push yourself all the way. The trip itself is intense but a breakthrough is something else. It's impossible to describe to people what it's like. I liken it to remembering how you felt in a dream without remembering the dream, a really intense dream.

sbsquarepants

BrownFinger wrote: »

If you want a quick trip try salvia divinorum.
Absolutely hilarious stuff for about 10mins .
Talk about going to another planet!

One particularly weird salvia trip I spent some time as the dangly bit you pull on a zip, it was an experience to say the least!

sbsquarepants

circadian wrote: »

Definitely life changing if you push yourself all the way. The trip itself is intense but a breakthrough is something else. It's impossible to describe to people what it's like. I liken it to remembering how you felt in a dream without remembering the dream, a really intense dream.

Sounds amazing.

Kinda similar to the K hole. When I came back out it wasn't that I couldn't remember what had happened, but I couldn't describe it or explain it in any coherent fashion. You just lack the words or even the mental imagery to recreate it sober.

s7ryf3925pivug

It's better in general to deal with substance abuse in the context of healthcare rather than the judiciary, so for that reason I think they should be decriminalized.

In terms of actual use, I think the people microdosing for tangible benefits would be the minority and the people taking recreational doses at tangible risk would be the majority. Perhaps it should be only allowed under the supervision of a GP, perhaps a prescription basis where they link in every few months to make sure they're not displaying signs of psychosis....I don't think such a scheme should be covered by a medical card anyway.

sbsquarepants

Faye Many Ostrich wrote: »

In terms of actual use, I think the people microdosing for tangible benefits would be the minority and the people taking recreational doses at tangible risk would be the majority. .

The risks are hugely exaggerated in my opinion. A couple of sensible precautions and they are so minuscule as to just not be worth worrying about.

Probably the biggest risk worldwide is picking the wrong mushrooms (I'm not sure how much of a risk that is in Ireland, but in some places it's a very real one)

If they were farmed and distributed that would disappear overnight.

Grayson

Faye Many Ostrich wrote: »

It's better in general to deal with substance abuse in the context of healthcare rather than the judiciary, so for that reason I think they should be decriminalized.

In terms of actual use, I think the people microdosing for tangible benefits would be the minority and the people taking recreational doses at tangible risk would be the majority. Perhaps it should be only allowed under the supervision of a GP, perhaps a prescription basis where they link in every few months to make sure they're not displaying signs of psychosis....I don't think such a scheme should be covered by a medical card anyway.

I think that's 100% true right now. However if the stuff is legal and you can get a proper supply that it's easy to dose with, then a lot more people would probably try it.

In Ireland if you want to try microdosing you'd need to either grow your own and figure out how to extract the psilocybin and dose the right amount. Or you'd need to buy a supply from the dark web.

magic_murph

Like with any decriminalization or legalization the real success will come with wide spread education - people will need to know what to take, how much and when to take it. With that people will be best informed to reduce the risk etc

PokeHerKing

I remember when they were legal over here for a year or so about a decade ago. Some wild nights in nightclubs around Dublin.

I wouldn't recommend that environment though. An empty beach on a sunny day or a nice open field.

ILoveYourVibes

Thread needs to be a lot more ambient and trippy.

kowloon

Grayson wrote: »

"No. I've been talking to Adam Sandler for the whole night"

It's hearing about truly horrifying experiences like talking to Adam Sandler that keep me on the straight and narrow.

Feisar

Is DMT like mushrooms?

Had a bag of them in The 'Dam a few years ago. Metal stuff. Can't say it was that enjoyable:

Cig I was smoking got longer as I smoked it
People about 50 yards away sounded like they were in my ear
The some of the buildings in Amsterdam are slopped outwards, this got exaggerated. I thought there were hookers in windows directly above my head.
Back in the hotel room staring at the ceiling an Indian Goddess type appeared in green on the ceiling and started circling about to be replaced by a tribal type tattoo face doing the rounds.
Fire started coming down the walls. I knew it wasn't but it took a lot of effort for it to disappear, back to looking at the faces. Flames returned but I ignored them.

It was an experience but I can't say it was fun!

Deebles McBeebles

I remember taking mushies on a lovely sunny summer day years ago. My mate hid (literally thought he was hiding from someone who was not there) in the hot press for an hour listening to Tool while I sat outside looking at the clouds which now looked like the clouds from Super Mario. The clouds started moving toward me but not in a scary way. Got bored with that eventually and went inside to look at my hands and have multiple eureka moments. A day well spent.

Feisar

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I remember taking mushies on a lovely sunny summer day years ago. My mate hid (literally thought he was hiding from someone who was not there) in the hot press for an hour listening to Tool while I sat outside looking at the clouds which now looked like the clouds from Super Mario. The clouds started moving toward me but not in a scary way. Got bored with that eventually and went inside to look at my hands and have multiple eureka moments. A day well spent.

Ah Tool, back in the day!

freshpopcorn

When basic mushrooms were big back in the mid 2000's. I convinced my grandmother my mother was giving them to her.
She then refused to eat mushrooms and told everybody that my mother was giving her magic mushrooms.

Deebles McBeebles

Feisar wrote: »

Ah Tool, back in the day!

Great stuff. They have a new album out apparently, haven't checked it out yet.

The day was finished off with a bit of Yes and King Crimson to help with the comedown!

kg703

magic_murph wrote: »

Like with any decriminalization or legalization the real success will come with wide spread education - people will need to know what to take, how much and when to take it. With that people will be best informed to reduce the risk etc

This is it 100% people fear drugs because they have no education about them. People see scary news stories ‘someone jumped out a window’ ‘15 year old dies from first time ecstasy use’ etc and it’s terrifying. Drugs are for junkies.

As someone who has definitely not dipped into the world of psychedelics and definitely not microdosed I definitely do not think they are wonderful and have great potential. The problem is the mentality here with drugs could cross over from alcohol - get as much as you can into you and get off your head.

Proper education, drug testing and to an extent with some drugs, decriminalisation, would really benefit not just this country but many others. It would at least possibly stop young naive kids from overdosing on unknown substances they got off their mates.

It’s mad that I am an thirty something adult with a good job and I could technically be arresting for possessing certain natural plants.

But I can go and smoke a stick of tar, nicotine and rocket fuel standing in a group of children. A lot of people wouldn’t even bat and eyelid.

sbsquarepants

sbsquarepants wrote: »

One particularly weird salvia trip I spent some time as the dangly bit you pull on a zip, it was an experience to say the least!

Thats hilarious,
I thought I was a train before (like thomas the tank engine) and I was speeding down the rack through tunnels etc.
Laughed my hole off for about 20mins after :D

-one of my mates thought he was a rug !

magic_murph

I'm sure micro-dosing would also benefit people coming off other drugs or even with hardened alcoholics - until we get some decent long term studies complete there will be a lot of speculation.

I've heard good things of the psychedelic truffles - same trip experience as mushrooms but potentially not as strong.

Get Real

I am not , nor ever was a user of magic mushrooms, nor will I ever be. However I support them being decriminalized or legalised fully.

Ironically, I don't think this will be the case in Ireland for this particular substance. Given that they were legal until quite recently (2006), govt wouldn't want to be seen to be "rowing back"

The law was a reaction to the tragic death of Colm Hodkinson, a Dubliner who jumped off a balcony in 2005.

I am opposed to banning substances based on headlines such as this (for example, alcohol contributes to many deaths and/or life changing injuries)

However, his parents were behind a campaign for legislation, and my heart breaks for them, and I can also see their viewpoint (whether I agree with it or not)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/man-jumped-from-balcony-after-taking-magic-mushrooms-1.788205

JohnnyFlash

How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us about Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence Is a great book by a Harvard professor about how psychedelics were the subject of fascinating research in the 50’s and 60’s by elite American universities, how they fell out of favour as a result of their association with the counter culture movement, and how they are now the subject of huge amounts of new research- especially in their treatment of depression, anxiety, and alcoholism (where it appears to have astonishing and immediate benefits)

The writer took mushrooms himself and describes his experiences, including one that was profoundly spiritual and involved the complete death and rebirth of the ego. Highly recommended.

magic_murph

Its prob going to be the same as weed - used widely as a recreational drug but also has many health benefit (some yet to be proven)
Mushrooms / truffles may be the same - used as a recreational drug before the try medical benefits are know.

the landscape both recreational and medicinal will be a whole lot different in 10-15 years

JohnnyFlash

magic_murph wrote: »

Its prob going to be the same as weed - used widely as a recreational drug but also has many health benefit (some yet to be proven)
Mushrooms / truffles may be the same - used as a recreational drug before the try medical benefits are know.

the landscape both recreational and medicinal will be a whole lot different in 10-15 years

The book also mentions weed. Smoking weed has absolutely no health benefits that can’t be obtained in a measured and accurate dose from pharmaceutical grade cannabis. Shrooms are different in that the trip or high from it is the very essence of the experience. There’s a growing body of thinking that suggests the legalisation or cannabis in America was a very idea, and has lead to a surge in young men reporting life changing cases of psychosis.

s7ryf3925pivug

https://www.nature.com/news/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis-1.16968

Interesting study showing no relationship between lifetime psychedelic drug use and lifetime development of psychiatric illness. An important distinction is that it presents no information about the effect on people with mental illness or those who will go on to develop it. I'd be surprised if it is not hazardous for someone at risk of psychosis. Don't think you can know you're not in the 2% of people who will develop it.

Gotta say that 2% of people experiencing psychosis at some point is alarmingly high. Not surprising though if you think about the sort of mental **** a lot of people believe without any apparent diagnoses.

...Weed is definitely not safe for people with mental illness and is the single biggest cause of readmissions to psychiatric wards.

JupiterKid

I’ve no problem with mushies being legal in Colorado or anywhere else for that matter. All recreational drugs should be legalized and regulated. The so called “war on drugs” has failed utterly and will never be won.

That said, psychedelics are not for everyone. You have to be calm and in the right frame of mind when taking them, preferably with friends who have experience of them and are also taking them with you. I took LSD a few times in my college days and had mild and more intense trips, a completely amazing “high” experience but also a bad one which had me on edge for hours and hours. One thing about tripping is that it does seem to open your mind up to new insights and dimensions that are not apparent otherwise. It’s very hard to really describe.

Took mushrooms twice and enjoyed the experience but it’s not for everyone.

fortwilliam

I live in Colorado at the moment where cannabis is also legal, regardless of legal/illegal, the amount of stoners over here is unreal...
Huge mental illness is seen on the street every day often linked with homelessness.

Not saying one is the cause of the other, but it is worrying to see.