Cillian Murphy's looking rough

kowloon

kowloon wrote: »

I'll practice my southern accent if you get some chew.

Deal. Bring you bring your own damned spitoon and rocking chair for the porch. And I ain’t sharing my beans, or my mash.

If we get this up and running, I get to kick her square in the box the first time she falls down on all fours. You can recite bible passages while her junkie tears turn the dust to mud.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah you sound a bit worked up in fairness

My words only sound the way you voice them in your own mind. My only hostility here is towards that useless bag of guts throwing boiling water on someone who gets up and goes to work each day.

Yer Da sells Avon

JayZeus wrote: »

I’m not bothered by you.

You do seem bothered. Anyway, last thing I wanted to do this evening was bother someone, so I'd just like to say I'm sorry. Genuinely.

JayZeus

JayZeus wrote: »

My words only sound the way you voice them in your own mind. My only hostility here is towards that useless bag of guts throwing boiling water on someone who gets up and goes to work each day.

She's not totally useless. Maybe not you I don't know you, but she's given a lot of angry people a way to vent.

super_furry

In fairness though, how can she protect you in this craaaaaazy world?

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

She's not totally useless. Maybe not you I don't know you, but she's given a lot of angry people a way to vent.

She’d be useful if ahe could pull a plough or swing a hammer to break rocks.

Otherwise all I see is an argument in favour of sterilisation of repeat offenders, mandatory sentencing and more power for the state to remove children at birth from people who never should have been able to breed.

She’s a walking speed bump.

JayZeus

JayZeus wrote: »

She’d be useful if ahe could pull a plough or swing a hammer to break rocks.

Hard labour. Why has nobody thought of that before??!

fonecrusher1

Noveight wrote: »

158 previous convictions? She couldn’t live by the laws of society if she was paid to!

Length of rope and a 4 foot drop. Case closed.

In a way though society has failed her.

Fr_Dougal

If we say that she got her first conviction at the age of 10, that’s a conviction every 10 weeks so far in her life. Madness.

Keyzer

Judge Melanie Greally sentenced Ruth to three years imprisonment, but suspended the final 18 months on condition that she keep the peace and be of good behaviour and follow all direction of the Probation Service for 18 months post release.

Great decision from the Judge - because she's really demonstrated she can adhere to this through the behaviour which led to her previous 158 convictions.

What a joke of a country...

partyguinness

I love the 'She gave Ruth credit for her plea, her personal circumstances, her remorse and her favourable engagement with drugs services.

Playing the game to perfection.

TerrorFirmer

The most terrifying part about is that 158 convictions - things she's been caught doing and charged over - is likely only a drop in the ocean of the criminal acts actually carried out.

sbsquarepants

Sonny noggs wrote: »

The banks, the banks, the banks...some do gooder will be along to say the banks cost much more than these individuals cost us.

Whereas I've little doubt this particular yummy mummy has been a net drain on the state coffers, I'd be quite surprised to learn her account had run to minus 60billion.

But I'm just guessing of course, do you know the actual cost?;)

Mantis Toboggan

Keyzer wrote: »

Judge Melanie Greally sentenced Ruth to three years imprisonment, but suspended the final 18 months on condition that she keep the peace and be of good behaviour and follow all direction of the Probation Service for 18 months post release.

Great decision from the Judge - because she's really demonstrated she can adhere to this through the behaviour which led to her previous 158 convictions.

What a joke of a country...

Judges in this country are a law onto themselves, absolute disgrace.

topper75

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Do you want the maths or not?

The people who say that have things like "numbers" and "facts" and other such lefty notions behind them

Ah she threw boiling water at a worker's face!!!!

The notion of the "left" being about workers' rights is far too quaint for some champagne socialist mouths and limousine liberals out there today.

Noveight

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In a way though society has failed her.

You're right there I suppose. To suggest the gallows was a knee-jerk reaction.

However, is it society's responsibility to save this woman from herself?

partyguinness

This woman is a career criminal. Jail holds no fear for her. In fact she will just catch up with the friends and family. Warm bed and board, drugs, no bills to worry about. Just a little getaway for her.

Open house at Mountjoy where she can come and go as she pleases and released in a few months. She won't even serve 6 months before she is left back out.

Deebles McBeebles

I thought this was a genuine thread about Cillian Murphy after falling off the wagon or something so skipped it til now. This is much better.

partyguinness

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I thought this was a genuine thread about Cillian Murphy after falling off the wagon or something so skipped it til now. This is much better.

It is.


He is at rock bottom- hard to believe it.

freshpopcorn

How many of the 18 months will she serve if she behaves inside?

partyguinness

freshpopcorn wrote: »

How many of the 18 months will she serve if she behaves inside?

I would say 2-3mts at best.

Dyr

Perhaps a 158-strikes-and-you're-out law would be handy?

Cue pissing and moaning from the do gooder contingent

mcmoustache

158 convictions is a bit much though. I mean it's one thing for someone to do something silly in their lives that get them a conviction but it's another thing entirely to rack up as many as she has. There is clearly something wrong with her and I'm not sure that our justice system is properly handling such cases.

For most of us, 6 months in jail would be a huge deal and something that we would want to avoid. It would damage our reputations and our ability to make an income. In short, it's a deterrent for most of us.

Now, with people like this who don't give a shíte, what should be done? It's clear that the justice system isn't a deterrent because, well, 158 convictions. What's being done isn't working for people like this.

Personally, I think that some sort of escalating sentencing might work and by "work" I mean keeping such people away from the public for longer and longer. The thing is, judges do has some discretion here. They should be able to recognise that some people are not being deterred by short and suspended sentences and they should increase them when it's obvious that the criminal doesn't give a shíte. Nobody should be able to get those sorts of numbers and anyone on those numbers shouldn't be around the general public.

partyguinness

mcmoustache wrote: »

158 convictions is a bit much though. I mean it's one thing for someone to do something silly in their lives that get them a conviction but it's another thing entirely to rack up as many as she has. There is clearly something wrong with her and I'm not sure that our justice system is properly handling such cases.

For most of us, 6 months in jail would be a huge deal and something that we would want to avoid. It would damage our reputations and our ability to make an income. In short, it's a deterrent for most of us.

Now, with people like this who don't give a shíte, what should be done? It's clear that the justice system isn't a deterrent because, well, 158 convictions. What's being done isn't working for people like this.

Personally, I think that some sort of escalating sentencing might work and by "work" I mean keeping such people away from the public for longer and longer. The thing is, judges do has some discretion here. They should be able to recognise that some people are not being deterred by short and suspended sentences and they should increase them when it's obvious that the criminal doesn't give a shíte. Nobody should be able to get those sorts of numbers and anyone on those numbers shouldn't be around the general public.

She is a career criminal.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that she thinks like the rest of us or try to rationalise her behaviour or get inside her head- she doesn't think like the rest of us.

You don't criticize a dog for ****ting in the street- that's what dogs do. Like child abusers- some of them genuinely do not see that they are doing anything wrong.

She does not know any better.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

I love the 'She gave Ruth credit for her plea, her personal circumstances, her remorse and her favourable engagement with drugs services.

Playing the game to perfection.

If the judge doesn't point out those considerations at sentencing, she'd be leaving an open goal for the Defence to appeal the sentence.

It isn't clear how much time the judge deducted from the headline penalty for simply having pleaded guilty, for example. It may only have been a few weeks' deduction.

But it is worth remarking that it saved the State (and a dozen jurors) a considerable waste of time and money, and it saved Gardaí a lot of resources too, since there needed to be no trial, and the investigation seems to have been cooperative. It's worth *something*,

partyguinness

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

If the judge doesn't point out those considerations at sentencing, she'd be leaving an open goal for the Defence to appeal the sentence.

It isn't clear how much time the judge deducted from the headline penalty for simply having pleaded guilty, for example. It may only have been a few weeks' deduction.

But it is worth remarking that it saved the State (and a dozen jurors) a considerable waste of time and money, and it saved Gardaí a lot of resources too, since there needed to be no trial, and the investigation seems to have been cooperative. It's worth *something*,

I agree but my overall point is that 'Ruth' knows well what to do and say.

Likewise the Judge knows damn well that she will see her again in a few months. The prison will just release her after a weeks anyway so the amount knocked off the sentence is in reality neither here nor there.

mcmoustache

partyguinness wrote: »

She is a career criminal.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that she thinks like the rest of us or try to rationalise her behaviour or get inside her head- she doesn't think like the rest of us.

You don't criticize a dog for ****ting in the street- that's what dogs do. Like child abusers- some of them genuinely do not see that they are doing anything wrong.

She does not know any better.

Oh I know. There's a massive difference between someone like that and the 90-odd percent of us who would be deterred by just having our names in the papers due to a court appearance.

People like this woman, and there are plenty of them out there simply don't give a shíte and I doubt that they ever will. This is why I think long sentences would be the way to go. It won't fix people like this but it will stop them being a nuisance.

Unfortunately, this will be very difficult as a long sentence could be appealed on the basis of being disproportionate. If it were up to me and there were no legal restrictions on what I could impose, I'd happily ship such people off to Saudi Arabia to serve their sentences and I wouldn't feel bad about it at all.

The problem is that this won't happen. The only way that this gets sorted is through legislation and sentencing guidelines which are currently inadequate in dealing with such people.

JupiterKid

Classy lady.


But seriously, 150+ convictions? Many of them possibly violent? At this stage that woman (who DOES bear a passing resemblance to Cillian Murphy) needs a good stretch inside.

Our legal system is completely dysfunctional and the "justice" it dispenses is ineffectual for serial offenders who know nothing other than a life of addiction and crime.

Sinus pain

She’ll also get a free travel pass to get her to her drugs treatment

partyguinness

I have experience of working within the court system and I was exposed to these cretins.

Honestly, Court appearances to them are like popping down to the shop for the rest of us. It's the most natural thing in the world.

Family day out sometimes with multi generations all stuck in the same cycle. They have nothing to lose, live off the state and petty crime.

The likes of her have absolutely no interest in 'changing her ways'. She honestly does not know any different and her way of life is absolutely normal.