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The Republic is 70 years old today

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    #32
    janfebmar
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    refusetolose wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/PSNIDCSDistrict/status/1119023697594068992

    No mention of it yet on RTE news, although other (overseas) media has it.
    Very sad.


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    #33
    Atlantic Dawn
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    I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.


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    #34
    janfebmar
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Even if that figure was true, and given your posting history I doubt it.. .

    Do not take my word for it. Look up Irish diaspora on Wikipedia.

    Quote: "It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain."
    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.

    I agree. RTE have a lot to answer for, they used to have quite high standards but have really slipped this past number of years.


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    #35
    Duckworth_Luas
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Do not take my word for it. Look up Irish diaspora on Wikipedia.

    Quote: "It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain."
    Well gigno/japer/maryishere/janfebmar, by 2013 80% of the 300K British born people living in Ireland were of working age. Yet only half of the Irish born population in Britain were, the other half were 65+.

    How bad will this get post-Brexit?

    We're already being swamped by these immigrants fleeing their, I assume, third world homeland. The proportion of British people living and working here is ridiculous. Coming here, taking our jobs.

    By maryishere logic Ireland must be a paradise!


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    #36
    janfebmar
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Well gigno/japer/maryishere/janfebmar,

    Well Francis / FT / Johnny / Duckworth, if you want to open up another thread on Brexit, then do so. There are still far more Irish people in the densely populated hellhole of Britain than there are British people here, to say nothing of the huge Irish diaspora in other countries like Oz.


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    #37
    Duckworth_Luas
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Well Francis / FT / Johnny / Duckworth, if you want to open up another thread on Brexit, then do so. There are still far more Irish people in the densely populated hellhole of Britain than there are British people here, to say nothing of the huge Irish diaspora in other countries like Oz.
    Nope maryishere!

    In 2013 there was 300K British people living in Ireland, about 7.5% of the population. Of whom 240K were of working age, 6% of the population.

    Meanwhile in "the densely populated hellhole of Britain", your words not mine, only 200K, or about 0.3% of the population, were Irish born of working age. One third of a single percent!

    The proportion of Brits working in Ireland, or scrounging of our welfare system, is 18 times the reverse.


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    #38
    ted1
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

    And two decades of mass immigration into Ireland. Legalised gay marriage by popular vote. Lead Europe in introducing a smoking ban and plastic bag ban. Home to the worlds leadung technology and air craft leasing firms. And so on.


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    #39
    The Crowman
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    https://twitter.com/corkfolklore/status/1118881916130820101


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    #40
    janfebmar
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    ted1 wrote: »
    And two decades of mass immigration into Ireland. Legalised gay marriage by popular vote. Lead Europe in introducing a smoking ban and plastic bag ban. Home to the worlds leadung technology and air craft leasing firms. And so on.

    We were not talking about the last 2 decades, when there was mass immigration in to every western country in the world. In the 20th century we had mass emmigration, probably the highest in the world. For much of the 20th century they was even no access to contraception here in Ireland. Even now stories are just coming out about the Magdalene laundries, the missing babies in tuam and cork etc.


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    #41
    10000maniacs
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    Church on Tuesday wrote: »
    Remarkable in a way how relatively young the Republic is, fascinating footage from the event:

    What were they going to do with all those armoured cars? :)


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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

    Maybe Ireland should pretend it never happened and just take the English 'Widgery' approach to facing up to the past? For the record, and we've long established that you're not a fan of historical facts, the Mother and Baby Homes actually began in England. Here's a hugely interesting website focusing on the things there which are not being officially investigated as they are in Ireland:
    Mother and Baby Homes first appeared in England in 1891 under the guidance of the Salvation Army in London. By 1968 there were a total of 172 known homes for unmarried mothers, the majority run by religious bodies. Premarital pregnancy was heavily stigmatized and provoked issues around sex, morality, religion and authority both parental and community. While there were women who birthed and raised their illegitimate children, there were many who were feared to have brought shame upon the family and quickly ushered into the confines of a Mother and Baby Home to hide their pregnancies. Often orchestrated by social workers, or parents of the young woman, many were pressured into giving their children up for adoption with an all-time peak in 1968 of adoption orders granted in England, 16,164 in all. Young women feared the ‘private punishment and public humiliation’ which accompanied illegitimate pregnancy, and with little information on alternative options they conceded to their perinatal penalty...
    The majority of homes were run by religious organizations. According to a 1968 study on Mother and Baby Homes, the greater part of the homes were run by the Church of England (58%), followed by Roman Catholic (11.6%), the Salvation Army (5.3%), the Methodist Church (3.5%), as well as other church and religious organizations (7.6%). The remaining homes were run by local authorities including health and welfare departments (14%)

    Mother and Baby Homes in England


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    #43
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    In the 20th century we had mass emmigration, probably the highest in the world.... Even now stories are just coming out about the Magdalene laundries, the missing babies in tuam and cork etc.


    Whereas your crowd just packaged the trouble and excess population up in British military uniforms and sent them to civilise the savages across the world. Heroes. In former times you also got rid of your troublesome ones, especially of the religious variety, by giving them parts of your colonies in Ireland and elsewhere where they could piss all over the natives just as the English had done on them.

    Now, with none of the empire left but the very shake rump of the Irish colony and its rising native horde, and a few rocks elsewhere, where's the British outlet for releasing all that internal British English tension and stress going to be focused?

    Oh, wait - is that the glorious pleb distraction of the evil EU I see over yonder? What felicitious timing! Marshal the Tory rag media and focus on our glorious target, old chap. Remember the 100 Years War! French. Nazis. Nanny state. Nazis. Evil. Nazis. Anti-democratic. Nazis. Straight bananas...


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    #44
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.

    All revolutions have some atrocities, there were atrocities in the American revolution.

    In the Irish case the burning of Cork, Croke Park, the siege of Tralee and so on were the greater atrocities, although the British Army also engaged in atrocities in the American revolution.

    Well done Ireland. There are some who are born to the place, hate it but never leave it in case their prejudices are not confirmed, but its done pretty well.


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    #45
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Maybe Ireland should pretend it never happened and just take the English 'Widgery' approach to facing up to the past? For the record, and we've long established that you're not a fan of historical facts, the Mother and Baby Homes actually began in England. Here's a hugely interesting website focusing on the things there which are not being officially investigated as they are in Ireland:



    Mother and Baby Homes in England

    Its absolutely the case that Ireland investigates the Catholic Church far more rigorously than the UK investigates its crimes.

    Colonial crimes are just hushed up.


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    #46
    Church on Tuesday
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    What were they going to do with all those armoured cars? :)

    Ah, keep 'em for parades like this :D


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    #47
    janfebmar
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Its absolutely the case that Ireland investigates the Catholic Church far more rigorously than the UK investigates .

    You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.


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    #48
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.

    The uk hasn’t even started investigating their own abuse system, or don’t find evidence when they do. Like Ed Heath. But there’s no equivalent to Irish type reports where people just state their stories and those stories are reported.

    Besides that the U.K. and Empire has killed millions during the time of Irish independence, and the options for Ireland were independence or being part of an Empire.


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    #49
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Church on Tuesday wrote: »
    If that is true, then that is unbelievably sad.

    The repercussions of a very complicated history.

    It also happened in the U.K.


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    Church on Tuesday
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    It also happened in the U.K.

    What did?


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    #51
    Church on Tuesday
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.

    The fact that we as a progressive modern society are now aggressively trying to address those issues is to be applauded I think.

    Wrongs were done in the past, everyone knows and accepts that, but whatever you think of the Republic as a whole, I'd rather live in a free democratic state that will at least admit it's wrong doings than other dubious states the world over that won't.


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    #52
    janfebmar
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    Church on Tuesday wrote: »
    The fact that we as a progressive modern society are now aggressively trying to address those issues is to be applauded I think.

    .

    "Aggressively trying" Lol. NOT. If it was not so serious it would be funny. They have not even dug up the septic tank or grounds yet in Tuam yet to find how many poor dead kids were dumped there. Will there be an inquiry or anyone prosecuted? Or in the case in Cork discovered last week?


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    #53
    Church on Tuesday
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    "Aggressively trying" Lol. NOT. If it was not so serious it would be funny. They have not even dug up the septic tank or grounds yet in Tuam yet to find how many poor dead kids were dumped there. Will there be an inquiry or anyone prosecuted? Or in the case in Cork discovered last week?

    Most probably yes.

    It's not like the state is trying to cover things up here.


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    #54
    branie2
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    Long may it live!


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    #55
    janfebmar
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    Why has nothing at all happened in the Tuam baby deaths so?


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    #56
    Church on Tuesday
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Why has nothing at all happened in the Tuam baby deaths so?

    The public inquiry has actively encouraged those who have more information on the issue to come forward (and there are those who know more believe me) and their findings so far have been pretty damning.

    Whether or not the inquiry is taking too long to deliver it's final report is another matter.


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    #57
    Danzy
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    janfebmar wrote: »
    Maybe people are too tired having to commute long distances to dork in vehicles burdened with high vets?

    Are you stoned? :D


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    branie2
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    I think he meant Cork


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    #59
    janfebmar
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    That point was ages ago "Maybe people are too tired having to commute long distances to work in vehicles burdened with high v.r.t. s?"


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    janfebmar
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    In the Tuam babies case, it is a long time since a “significant quantity” of human remains were discovered in underground chambers thought to have been used for the treatment of sewage waste water at the Catholic institution in Tuam, Co Galway. The project to exhume and identify the remains is expected to cost between €6m and €13m, but has still not even started. The Bon Secours Sisters have offered “a voluntary contribution” of €2.5m towards this....does anyone think it will ever be handed over or a proper investigation launched? In what other western country would there be such delay in exhuming the remains of hundreds of unknown children who were dumped in a mass grave, and where no attempt has been made to find out exactly who done it, even though they could still be alive?

    An international Expert Technical Group (ETG) report said the situation in Tuam was unprecedented and that no comparable case could be identified either nationally or internationally.


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    #61
    Capt'n Midnight
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    10000maniacs wrote: »
    What were they going to do with all those armoured cars? :)
    Loads of American Militias are worried about the King of England and his army showing up in the morning.

    Here some would have considered that kind of thinking to be properly paranoid. And we had enough food to feed all the Prisoners Of War. And the neighbours didn't get atomic bombs until 1952.


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