Peter Casey to contest the European elections

Funny to have English people complaining about how we vote on this site.

dxhound2005

Yurt! wrote: »

Well, you went off on one about the Japanese economy without knowing what you're talking about. Don't get surprised or hot under the collar when you're corrected (by more than one poster).

Another poster said that Ireland is bankrupted for a generation. Using the same link I amusingly said that Japan must be bankrupted for 10 generations.

Neither of these things are true, so nobody is correct in claiming that Ireland is bankrupted for a generation.

batgoat

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

Funniest part is that Eagle was a huge Trump fan...:p

Ulysses Gaze

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

It's always the "sheeple" that are wrong.

Skylinehead

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, I overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

You called other people deluded for saying she'd top the poll.

That wasn't very intelligent

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Casey ran a campaign that showed exactly how much respect he had for his imagined voters, thought he could just flail about devoid of policy or a grasp of, well anything, but tell everyone he tells it like it is and speaks up for those afraid to speak their poor little right wing minds and swan into an easy gig. He's a moron and a opportunist.

Peadar Toibín is a much slicker operator with a far less alienating persona though and Aontú have only managed 1%, when their pro-life platform was as hot a topic as it's ever going to be. Renua shat the bed too.

Maybe Brexit will change things but once again this fed-up-with-PC-fake-news right wing grassroots has failed to materialise, and they had plenty of options this time. When the Irish electorate swings away from the centre we consistently swing left, we're still, thank God, not fallen sick with the madness cutting a swathe through Europe.

circadian

Peregrine wrote: »

Makes wildly inaccurate and out of touch predictions...blames it on other people's intelligence.

Sounds a lot like Gemma O'Doherty.

"I'm here in (insert Dublin suburb) and you people live in a ****hole. Vote for me!"

"The cabal and Soros are terrified of me and they rigged the election so I wouldn't get elected."

robman60

Elsie Spicy Garter wrote: »

Casey ran a campaign that showed exactly how much respect he had for his imagined voters, thought he could just flail about devoid of policy or a grasp of, well anything, but tell everyone he tells it like it is and speaks up for those afraid to speak their poor little right wing minds and swan into an easy gig. He's a moron and a opportunist.

Peadar Toibín is a much slicker operator with a far less alienating persona though and Aontú have only managed 1%, when their pro-life platform was as hot a topic as it's ever going to be. Renua shat the bed too.

Maybe Brexit will change things but once again this fed-up-with-PC-fake-news right wing grassroots has failed to materialise, and they had plenty of options this time. When the Irish electorate swings away from the centre we consistently swing left, we're still, thank God, not fallen sick with the madness cutting a swathe through Europe.

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

listermint

robman60 wrote: »

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

There's nothing grass roots about a church sponsored party who has priests and busy bodies telling parishioners to vote for them from the alter.

Let's put this grass roots talk to rest for a start.

badtoro

listermint wrote: »

robman60 wrote: »

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

There's nothing grass roots about a church sponsored party who has priests and busy bodies telling parishioners to vote for them from the alter.

Let's put this grass roots talk to rest for a start.

Are you talking Renua or Mairead McGuinness there?

listermint

badtoro wrote: »

Are you talking Renua or Mairead McGuinness there?

Aontu.


Mairead McGuinness has a great European record.

badtoro

listermint wrote: »

badtoro wrote: »

Are you talking Renua or Mairead McGuinness there?

Aontu.


Mairead McGuinness has a great European record.

The church would say so for sure.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/meps-express-deep-concerns-at-mcguinness-proposal-on-church-access-1.3893619

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

robman60 wrote: »

Renua were never coming to anything after Lucinda Creighton left but I think Tóibín might be onto something. Have to bear in mind that there were a lot of council areas such as my own which didn't have anyone running, so obviously a lot of areas with 0% is going to hit. THey were polling 5% in MNW region for local councils and they are getting a solid grassroots going. I wouldn't rule the party out by any means.

I wouldn't either, surprised at how low they got, the only party that could split that socially conservative vote is renua like.

But they have Peadar Toibín, who while I don't agree with him on much I can see is a good politician and a very effective media person. They have the pro-life platform which is usually to be counted on for single issue voters. Sinn Fein's not doing great. Not being to field enough candidates and not being able to leverage all those stars aligned right is pretty poor imo.

I'd not rule them out (they're no Peter Casey :pac:) but to me it looks like a much longer slower road ahead than they were presumably hoping.

tayto lover

listermint wrote: »

Aontu.


Mairead McGuinness has a great European record.

Until she said that the Church should have more of a say in Europe.

listermint

Elsie Spicy Garter wrote: »

I wouldn't either, surprised at how low they got, the only party that could split that socially conservative vote is renua like.

But they have Peadar Toibín, who while I don't agree with him on much I can see is a good politician and a very effective media person. They have the pro-life platform which is usually to be counted on for single issue voters. Sinn Fein's not doing great. Not being to field enough candidates and not being able to leverage all those stars aligned right is pretty poor imo.

I'd not rule them out (they're no Peter Casey :pac:) but to me it looks like a much longer slower road ahead than they were presumably hoping.

Tobin just pulled his sister through based on family name. Amazing she uses that instead of her married name when it suits her.

You got one thing right. He's a politician alright.

hill16bhoy

Elsie Spicy Garter wrote: »

I wouldn't either, surprised at how low they got, the only party that could split that socially conservative vote is renua like.

But they have Peadar Toibín, who while I don't agree with him on much I can see is a good politician and a very effective media person. They have the pro-life platform which is usually to be counted on for single issue voters. Sinn Fein's not doing great. Not being to field enough candidates and not being able to leverage all those stars aligned right is pretty poor imo.

I'd not rule them out (they're no Peter Casey :pac:) but to me it looks like a much longer slower road ahead than they were presumably hoping.

For years right-wing media commentators told us there was a gap in the market for parties like Renua and Aontu.

The fact is, there isn't.

The abortion issue has been settled. It's over. Ireland is a pro-choice country. End of.

Renua are finished.

Toibin himself may not be a racist, but he took serious flak from potential supporters when he attempted to sign up Aontu to an anti-racism protocol.

Aontu will now invitably drift towards the far right.

Anti-abortionism internationally is inextricably linked with the far right. It's tied up with all the same dodgy **** that the US far right, evangelical right, Steve Bannon and Russia promote.

Any party which brands itself as anti-abortion will drift towards all that sort of toxic ****e. That's where the funding comes from.

Renua did and Aontu will inevitably go the same way, and they'll inevitably fail badly.

Much more dangerous would be an anti-immgrant party which cynically brands itself as pro-choice and pro-same sex marriage etc., even though they really aren't.

The nut jobs will probably eventually figure this out.

But emigration and anti-colonialism is so hard wired into Ireland's DNA that even that will only be a niche party.

Mad_maxx

hill16bhoy wrote: »

For years right-wing media commentators told us there was a gap in the market for parties like Renua and Aontu.

The fact is, there isn't.

The abortion issue has been settled. It's over. Ireland is a pro-choice country. End of.

Renua are finished.

Toibin himself may not be a racist, but he took serious flak from potential supporters when he attempted to sign up Aontu to an anti-racism protocol.

Aontu will now invitably drift towards the far right.

Anti-abortionism internationally is inextricably linked with the far right. It's tied up with all the same dodgy **** that the US far right, evangelical right, Steve Bannon and Russia promote.

Any party which brands itself as anti-abortion will drift towards all that sort of toxic ****e. That's where the funding comes from.

Renua did and Aontu will inevitably go the same way, and they'll inevitably fail badly.

Much more dangerous would be an anti-immgrant party which cynically brands itself as pro-choice and pro-same sex marriage etc., even though they really aren't.

The nut jobs will probably eventually figure this out.

But emigration and anti-colonialism is so hard wired into Ireland's DNA that even that a party like that would only ever be a niche party.

There's a lot to be said for never having been a so called "great" country. Ireland has no imagined "golden age" to look back on. Therefore the cancer of nostalgia and looking backwards is not here to anywhere near the same extent as it is elsewhere.

You lost me at " right wing media commentators"

Blueshoe

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You lost me at " right wing media commentators"

Like Brian Dobson?

Mad_maxx

Blueshoe wrote: »

Like Brian Dobson?

What about dobbo?

hill16bhoy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You lost me at " right wing media commentators"

As long as people like you keep sticking your fingers in your ears, whistling away to yourself and denying reality, the rest of us are safe enough

Please keep it up

Ireland has had enough of po-faced, preening, backward, theocratic, racist busibodies whose entire sense of existence depends on trying to ruin the lives of others

Casey and the hipster nihilists propping up the Dublin election count are just the latest useless embarrassments from that lineage

The same lineage that gave us Una Bean Nic Mhathuna and her "g'way ye wife swapping sodomites"

No constructive vision for society, no ideas except destruction, no concept of reality, no support, no point

It's deeply heartening that all of them have been roundly rejected despite their planes, viral videos and shadowy overseas funding

Mad_maxx

Bio Deception wrote: »

Ireland probably will have an anti immigration party, but not for another 20 years or so.

For a long time no one could conceive the nationalist parties in Sweden and Germany having any kind of support.

Irish people either completely row in behind one official narative or another, for most of the states existence, it was a conformist Conservative narative, now its a PC narative

There is nothing we fear more than being seperated from the crowd

Mad_maxx

hill16bhoy wrote: »

As long as people like you keep sticking your fingers in your ears, whistling away to yourself and denying reality, the rest of us are safe enough

Please keep it up

Ireland has had enough of po-faced, preening, backward, theocratic, racist busibodies whose entire sense of existence depends on trying to ruin the lives of others

Casey and the hipster nihilists propping up the Dublin election count are just the latest useless embarrassments from that lineage

No constructive vision for society, no ideas except destruction, no concept of reality, no support, no point

It's deeply heartening that all of them have been roundly rejected despite their planes, viral videos and shadowy overseas funding

Your funny

hill16bhoy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Irish people either completely row in behind one official narative or another, for most of the states existence, it was a conformist Conservative narative, now its a PC narative

There is nothing we fear more than being seperated from the crowd

Right wing nut jobs have certainly been separated from the crowd

And their only strategy is fear

In the echo chamber of this forum where far right nut jobs predominate, it's easy for far right nut jobs to to be lulled into thinking that many more people think like them than is reality

But normal people are not po-faced, preening busibodies whose entire sense of existence depends on trying to ruin other people's lives

hill16bhoy

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Your funny

It's "you're".

TCM

hill16bhoy wrote:

It's "you're".

hill16bhoy wrote:

It's "you're".

You think you're clever.

Blueshoe

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Right wing nut jobs have certainly been separated from the crowd

And their only strategy is fear

In the echo chamber of this forum where far right nut jobs predominate, it's easy for far right nut jobs to to be lulled into thinking that many more people think like them than is reality

But normal people are not po-faced, preening busibodies whose entire sense of existence depends on trying to ruin other people's lives

People with any objection to mass immigration are labelled as far right these days.
People in favour of sensible immigration are labelled as open border crusties.

In Ireland we have neither. Somewhere in the middle.
I like the division though.

Jamie2k9

Bio Deception wrote: »

Ireland probably will have an anti immigration party, but not for another 20 years or so.

For a long time no one could conceive the nationalist parties in Sweden and Germany having any kind of support.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0525/1051610-exit-poll-analysis/

According to the findings of the RTÉ TG4 Exit Poll, 52% of voters have indicated that they are worried that people are "coming into Ireland illegally, staying here and freeloading off the State." But seven out of ten voters agree that on the whole immigration has benefited Irish society.

Larbre34

Outgoing MEP Marian Harkin gave a run down of partial tallies to Radio 1 just there and Casey is showing higher than the exit poll across the board, i.e. 10-12%. This is important as compared to, for example, Walsh and McHugh polling well in their heartlands but dropping off in the bigger eastern counties.

Peter is not dead by a long shot.

is_that_so

Larbre34 wrote: »

Outgoing MEP Marian Harkin gave a run down of partial tallies to Radio 1 just there and Casey is showing higher than the exit poll across the board, i.e. 10-12%. This is important as compared to, for example, Walsh and McHugh polling well in their heartlands but dropping off in the bigger eastern counties.

Peter is not dead by a long shot.

Partial tallies are really not terribly useful and it depends what location boxes they open. They are also not actual votes.

Blueshoe

Larbre34 wrote: »

Outgoing MEP Marian Harkin gave a run down of partial tallies to Radio 1 just there and Casey is showing higher than the exit poll across the board, i.e. 10-12%. This is important as compared to, for example, Walsh and McHugh polling well in their heartlands but dropping off in the bigger eastern counties.

Peter is not dead by a long shot.

Peter as an Irish MEP and Tommy Robinson in for the UK.
We can only hope.