Peter Casey to contest the European elections

Edgware

Diceicle wrote: »

I'll give him a vote simply as a black eye to the establishment. All things being equal I wouldn't give him the time of day - he seems barely competent and a chancer - but if a tougher line was taken with traveller integration and the negative aspects of their culture it would be a benefit to society and ultimatelty to the travellers themselves.

What were his comments on immigrants?

"barely competent and a chancer"
Should do well so as the Irish are not really in favour of electing intelligent people that have more than the cupla focal

mgn

Edgware wrote: »

"barely competent and a chancer"
Should do well so as the Irish are not really in favour of electing intelligent people that have more than the cupla focal

The elected the likes of Varadkar,Murphy and Harris who would like to think the are intelligent.See what a disaster that is turning out to be.

Danzy

Edgware wrote: »

"barely competent and a chancer"
Should do well so as the Irish are not really in favour of electing intelligent people that have more than the cupla focal

He'll get a lot of votes because many of those most against him are arrogant tossers.


People will think he must be doing something right if they hate him.

He is outside the political consensus and people like having someone occasionally off the reservation.

Edgware

mgn wrote: »

The elected the likes of Varadkar,Murphy and Harris who would like to think the are intelligent.See what a disaster that is turning out to be.

Bring on Posh Boy and Murphy with their private education for socialists policy.

Berserker

Danzy wrote: »

He is outside the political consensus and people like having someone occasionally off the reservation.

An extra added plus for him.

Cryptopagan wrote: »

You'd need to be some sad bastard to vote for a guy who has no political experience, no discernible talents, and who has supported an idea as moronic as Irexit, just because he mouthed off about travelers.

I see you've decided to omit the whole successful business person thing or is that one negative too far in your book? He's just a qualified as most of the TDs and MEPs out there.

Edgware

Cryptopagan wrote: »

You'd need to be some sad bastard to vote for a guy who has no political experience, no discernible talents, and who has supported an idea as moronic as Irexit, just because he mouthed off about travelers.

The suckers who voted for the smoked salmon socialists of Labour and pseudo Trots hate the idea that people actually like Casey for telling the truth about the leeches of society

dxhound2005

Danzy wrote: »

He'll get a lot of votes because many of those most against him are arrogant tossers.


People will think he must be doing something right if they hate him.

He is outside the political consensus and people like having someone occasionally off the reservation.

If Fianna Fail had let him join he would be a political insider.

Edgware

Danzy wrote: »

He'll get a lot of votes because many of those most against him are arrogant tossers.


People will think he must be doing something right if they hate him.

He is outside the political consensus and people like having someone occasionally off the reservation.

Exactly. Thats why Ming, Healy Raes, Gildea"vote for me in republican Donegal and we will get B.B.C. on the telly" were elected

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

I see you've decided to omit the whole successful business person thing or is that one negative too far in your book? He's just a qualified as most of the TDs and MEPs out there.

That's why I think this Casey boyo is a shyster. A successful business man who wants to pull us out of the Euro, and if the punt goes pear shaped at least we won't be buying Mercs and Beamers off the Germans?

Methinks Peter is having another punt and is trying to pull the same stunt as last time. - wind up the dis-affected.

BBFAN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The cheek of people voting for whoever they want, several running that also have no experience. In the same constituency is a former winner of the lovely girl contest, what experience has she got do you think?

Jesus Christ can you say lovely girl contest any more times and still think it's funny??

Sad and pathetic. :rolleyes:

BBFAN

I'd have more respect for Casey if he went full on far right and condemned immigrants, spongers and travellers.

But he doesn't have the courage for that.+

He's like your bumbling Grandad, just spouting ****e out of him and backing down when challenged. Sad really.

Plumbthedepths

BBFAN wrote:

Jesus Christ can you say lovely girl contest any more times and still think it's funny??

Do you think it's funny? I don't ,I think it's outdated and demeaning to women . That's just my view of course.
As for what you think is pathetic or not don't delude yourself in thinking I care. I give your opinion the same consideration as your colleagues, none.

Danzy

BBFAN wrote: »

I'd have more respect for Casey if he went full on far right and condemned immigrants, spongers and travellers.

But he doesn't have the courage for that.+

He's like your bumbling Grandad, just spouting ****e out of him and backing down when challenged. Sad really.

The economic far right position on migration is occupied by the Left and Corporate capital.
Crowded field.

Annasopra

Edgware wrote: »

The anti Caseys are beginning to sound desperate all ready. Afraid that he might upset their cosy little lefty consensus with some home truths

What?

Everything I just said is true.

is_that_so

Edgware wrote: »

The suckers who voted for the smoked salmon socialists of Labour and pseudo Trots hate the idea that people actually like Casey for telling the truth about the leeches of society

Most of his "truths" are about Ireland and nowt to to do with the EU. Once people start poking holes in his so-called policies he'll find other ones. Not sure his "nuclear option" will work this time out. In this constituency Labour are nowhere to be seen and are likely to remain that way. It'll be down to FG/FF/SF and Independent, most probably Ming.

FrancieBrady

is_that_so wrote: »

Most of his "truths" are about Ireland and nowt to to do with the EU. Once people start poking holes in his so-called policies he'll find other ones. Not sure his "nuclear option" will work this time out. In this constituency Labour are nowhere to be seen and are likely to remain that way. It'll be down to FG/FF/SF and Independent, most probably Ming.

If Casey was anything but ego driven he would have had service done at Municipal level.
His 'truths' are about Peter wanting success, not any regard for a contribution to society

hurler32

is_that_so wrote: »

Most of his "truths" are about Ireland and nowt to to do with the EU. Once people start poking holes in his so-called policies he'll find other ones. Not sure his "nuclear option" will work this time out. In this constituency Labour are nowhere to be seen and are likely to remain that way. It'll be down to FG/FF/SF and Independent, most probably Ming.

Most voters don’t think any of the candidates will do much if anything in Europe but by voting Casey they are highlighting the massive impact traveller crime is having on rural Ireland and they are only hoping something will be done about travellers destroying so many people’s lives

is_that_so

hurler32 wrote: »

Most voters don’t think any of the candidates will do much if anything in Europe but by voting Casey they are highlighting the massive impact traveller crime is having on rural Ireland and they are only hoping something will be done about travellers destroying so many people’s lives

But absolutely nothing to do with Europe and do you honestly think the rest of them will let him get away with just pushing for votes with that line?

is_that_so

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If Casey was anything but ego driven he would have had service done at Municipal level.
His 'truths' are about Peter wanting success, not any regard for a contribution to society

Ganley Mark II

For Forks Sake

hurler32 wrote: »

Most voters don’t think any of the candidates will do much if anything in Europe but by voting Casey they are highlighting the massive impact traveller crime is having on rural Ireland and they are only hoping something will be done about travellers destroying so many people’s lives

Once again, in what way does that relate to the role of an MEP? Local councillor or TD,.maybe.

is_that_so

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Once again, in what way does that relate to the role of an MEP? Local councillor or TD,.maybe.

Which lends some support to the notion that he's really using this as a practice run for the Dail - with such rinse and re-use policies.

Diceicle

is_that_so wrote: »

But absolutely nothing to do with Europe and do you honestly think the rest of them will let him get away with just pushing for votes with that line?

Let him away? What do you mean by that? They're going to go on the radio and call him a racist? Tried that and it didn't seem to work in the Presidential.
Ultimately though, Casey will do nothing for Ireland in Europe - though the average voter (IMO) couldn't name what Hayes, McGuinness, Harkin etc has done for them anyway. (though I do know they voted in favour of the restrictive Article 13)

is_that_so

Diceicle wrote: »

Let him away? What do you mean by that? They're going to go on the radio and call him a racist? Tried that and it didn't seem to work in the Presidential.
Ultimately though, Casey will do nothing for Ireland in Europe - though the average voter (IMO) couldn't name what Hayes, McGuinness, Harkin etc has done for them anyway. (though I do know they voted in favour of the restrictive Article 13)

Yeah it didn't work but no parties campaigned and ultimately nobody was too bothered beyond the offensive tone of it as he was never going to win. This is a multi-seat election requiring transfers. Parties are well-drilled in getting their message out. If he is seen to be a threat they will go after his clueless policies and if all he's got is that single dubious (local) tactic he will not get the transfers.

Diceicle

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah it didn't work but no parties campaigned and ultimately nobody was too bothered beyond the offensive tone of it as he was never going to win. This is a multi-seat election requiring transfers. Parties are well-drilled in getting their message out. If he is seen to be a threat they will go after his clueless policies and if all he's got is that single dubious (local) tactic he will not get the transfers.

Maybe you're right but...while no parties campaigned per se, they certainly had all the talking heads on Newstalk and RTE condemning the man for an opinion that, i'd guess, 80% of Irish people would agree with (not a distinct ethnic group, shouldn't be allowed to occupy lands, are taking the mick in terms of houses and always have the hands out or hands in the taxpayers pocket).
I'll give Casey a transfer, I've no reason not to. McGuinness and the other Europhiles can say nothing about him that I can think of to disuade me.

I know Casey is a waffler. I would probably not want to be stuck with him at a party. I'd say his interests are narrow and he probably isn't very well read (though has a certain intelligence, I'm sure). He's totemic. He represents what the establishment dislikes and will speak a truth that we otherwise don't hear put forth by those we elect or on the airwaves - basically that everyone should be treated the same, that travellers need to get their collective shid together, and have had oodles of taxes thrown at them, and are simply milking it.

Phoebas

Didn't Casey at one point have a plan to run for the Dáil in a number of different constituencies at the same time, and then have a replacement take his place?
I don't know what the legality of doing that for the Dáil is, but in the EP, you submit a Replacement List of people who will take your place if you decide to do something else (like get elected to the Dáil)

We know that Matt Carthy is planning on running in Cavan Monaghan in the next DE election, so a vote for him is a vote for someone called Darren O'Rourke (whoever he is - some guy from Meath).

If Casey decides to do something else, his wife gets the gig.


https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/copy-of-nominations

is_that_so

Diceicle wrote: »

Maybe you're right but...while no parties campaigned per se, they certainly had all the talking heads on Newstalk and RTE condemning the man for an opinion that, i'd guess, 80% of Irish people would agree with (not a distinct ethnic group, shouldn't be allowed to occupy lands, are taking the mick in terms of houses and always have the hands out or hands in the taxpayers pocket).
I'll give Casey a transfer, I've no reason not to. McGuinness and the other Europhiles can say nothing about him that I can think of to disuade me.

I know Casey is a waffler. I would probably not want to be stuck with him at a party. I'd say his interests are narrow and he probably isn't very well read (though has a certain intelligence, I'm sure). He's totemic. He represents what the establishment dislikes and will speak a truth that we otherwise don't hear put forth by those we elect or on the airwaves - basically that everyone should be treated the same, that travellers need to get their collective shid together, and have had oodles of taxes thrown at them, and are simply milking it.

None of what he was on about then is part of the Euros and he will be forcibly reminded of that every time he tries to do it. As for anti-establishment you already have Ming and Carthy.

A more important question is where his votes are going to come from. Apart from the usual suspects the rest will do well to accumulate more than 10%. Labour & Greens voters will be very unlikely to opt for him in transfers.

The three current incumbents were at 14%+, with Ming closer to 20%. IMO it is doubtful that the Harkin vote will transfer to him and it could go anywhere. Meanwhile FF were on about 18% collectively, Decent vote management there puts them in the running. He might think he can go after Carthy and Ming but they'd need to lose a lot of votes for him to be competitive. Uphill battle, one I don't think he can win.

is_that_so

Phoebas wrote: »

Didn't Casey at one point have a plan to run for the Dáil in a number of different constituencies at the same time, and then have a replacement take his place?
I don't know what the legality of doing that for the Dáil is, but in the EP, you submit a Replacement List of people who will take your place if you decide to do something else (like get elected to the Dáil)

We know that Matt Carthy is planning on running in Cavan Monaghan in the next DE election, so a vote for him is a vote for someone called Darren O'Rourke (whoever he is - some guy from Meath).

If Casey decides to do something else, his wife gets the gig.


https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/copy-of-nominations

Well it's really a vote more for SF, than Carthy. They should be able to hold enough of it. What will be interesting to see here is if SF have become more transfer friendly. Off over 17% he was elected after McGuinness, despite her 14% or so FPs.

Jamie2k9

If only Casey made a comment about the CAB searches in Cork, plenty of votes could be in it boss!!!

BBFAN

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Do you think it's funny? I don't ,I think it's outdated and demeaning to women . That's just my view of course.
As for what you think is pathetic or not don't delude yourself in thinking I care. I give your opinion the same consideration as your colleagues, none.

My colleagues?? What are you on about?

Phoebas

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it's really a vote more for SF, than Carthy.

That's probably true, but a bit of a shame.

I'm sure a lot of people vote along party lines where at least they can predict how their MEP will vote on a range of issues. But I don't want to elect just a voting machine, which is what you eventually get when you vote for Carthy - some nobody replacement who nobody knows anything about.