Puppy Farmer jailed over shocking animal cruelty loses appeal

anewme

Very strong message sent to those who abuse animals.

Great to see this sentence upheld.

Hope it is the start of our Courts seeing animal abuse being taken seriously and more convictions against puppy farmers.

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/man-loses-appeal-against-sentence-for-shocking-animal-cruelty-1.3855783%3fmode=amp

Good enough for the coward.

bertsmom

Delighted its been upheld. Anything else would be unjust.
I didn't see one shred of a reason why he should have been successful in an appeal.

Fr_Dougal

Scumbag should never be let out.

RMAOK

The ****er :mad::mad::mad:

Sheep breeder

Sentence upheld and right, but the family has got a life sentence with the loss of their son at a young age.

Irish Guitarist

I thought he'd get a suspended sentence because of what happened to the son. I'm glad he didn't. Three years is already too lenient.

alroley

Good!

elperello

In the tragic circumstances I would prefer if he was released.

A community service order could be substituted for the custodial sentence and any re-offending would result in a return to serve his sentence.

This is not in any way to condone his crime .

anewme

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Sentence upheld and right, but the family has got a life sentence with the loss of their son at a young age.

Many families have lost loved ones killed by joyriders or drunk drivers. Harsh as it sounds, it’s lucky no innocent people were killed.

Ten of Swords

The ISPCA have released some pictures of his 'farm', they're absolutely disgusting and I'm guessing the ones they have made public are far from the worst ones the inspectors took.

alroley

elperello wrote: »

In the tragic circumstances I would prefer if he was released.

A community service order could be substituted for the custodial sentence and any re-offending would result in a return to serve his sentence.

This is not in any way to condone his crime .

He tortured so many animals. He deserves to be in prision.

Rubberchikken

i truthfully cannot deal with these types of stories nor these types of people.
im glad his appeal failed.
maybe some rather large men in prison will teach him the error of his ways...every day.

strandroad

Another interesting aspect is how his farm passed its inspection by the Carlow county council just a few months before he was found out. The number of carcasses and the woeful state of the animals found alive all point to a long term development on his farm. Carlow CC refuses to publish inspection reports. They are also hiding reports on other ongoing puppy farm investigations. I don't know Carlow, how is it run?

https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

anewme

elperello wrote: »

In the tragic circumstances I would prefer if he was released.

A community service order could be substituted for the custodial sentence and any re-offending would result in a return to serve his sentence.

This is not in any way to condone his crime .

No way.

It would allow every criminal in the country appeal. Take the gangland fueds fir example, how many family members have been shot on both sides?

Should they be let out?

It is described as the worst case of animal cruelty to come before the courts.

Guy has a list of previous convictions including fraud and drink driving.

elperello

anewme wrote: »

No way.

It would allow every criminal in the country appeal. Take the gangland fueds fir example, how many family members have been shot on both sides?

Should they be let out?

It is described as the worst case of animal cruelty to come before the courts.

Guy has a list of previous convictions including fraud and drink driving.

I understand that people are upset at his crimes as I am myself.
Cruelty to animals cannot be condoned.

He has already appealed and the option to appeal is open to other convicted criminals.

I am aware of the facts of the case and previous history.

strandroad

strandroad wrote: »

Another interesting aspect is how his farm passed its inspection by the Carlow county council just a few months before he was found out. The number of carcasses and the woeful state of the animals found alive all point to a long term development on his farm. Carlow CC refuses to publish inspection reports. They are also hiding reports on other ongoing puppy farm investigations. I don't know Carlow, how is it run?

https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

It’s like a lot of rules and regulations in Ireland. They only apply to others.

Sheep breeder

anewme wrote: »

Many families have lost loved ones killed by joyriders or drunk drivers. Harsh as it sounds, it’s lucky no innocent people were killed.

What do you mean by innocent people were not killed,

Sheep breeder

strandroad wrote: »

Another interesting aspect is how his farm passed its inspection by the Carlow county council just a few months before he was found out. The number of carcasses and the woeful state of the animals found alive all point to a long term development on his farm. Carlow CC refuses to publish inspection reports. They are also hiding reports on other ongoing puppy farm investigations. I don't know Carlow, how is it run?

https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

This was going on for a long period and nothing was being done and animals were going to England weekly basis and no questions were being asked on the foot of complaints about the animals.

Irish Guitarist

I saw some of the pictures of the 'farm' and it looked like something from a third world country. If he was let away with that it would have been a travesty. He needs to be punished regardless of personal tragedy.

anewme

Sheep breeder wrote: »

What do you mean by innocent people were not killed,

It’s lucky the car being driven illegally at 5am did not hit someone walking or driving legally.

Signore Fancy Pants

elperello wrote: »

In the tragic circumstances I would prefer if he was released.

A community service order could be substituted for the custodial sentence and any re-offending would result in a return to serve his sentence.

This is not in any way to condone his crime .

Fcuk him.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I can’t even read that. I cannot deal with animal cruelty stories these days. A head in the sand approach, I know, but I always lose the will to live reading those stories.

John_Rambo

Sheep breeder wrote: »

What do you mean by innocent people were not killed,

I'd imagine the poster is trying to infer that the farmers child that died in the car crash wasn't innocent because he was driving dangerously and illegally with no license or insurance. Warped thinking in my opinion, he was a school aged child of sixteen that had a full life ahead of him. One wonders about his background with all that was going on at the farm and why he was out at that hour driving a car. There's an air of innocence around all sixteen year olds, they still need minding, guidance and strong mentoring.

The sentence was upheld for good reason.

Ursus Horribilis

anewme wrote: »

It’s lucky the car being driven illegally at 5am did not hit someone walking or driving legally.

As someone whose parent's house is on one of these "racetracks", I have absolutely no sympathy for any boy racers who meet their demise. They are another demographic who deserve to have the law come down on them like a ton of bricks. It's unfortunate that this man lost his son but perhaps he should've spent more time parenting properly and less time neglecting animals.

Irish Guitarist

Do the people that think he should be released feel the same about other criminals? Should every scumbag who loses a family member get away scot free? Or is it just crimes that involve 'only animals'?

anewme

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'd imagine the poster is trying to infer that the farmers child that died in the car crash wasn't innocent because he was driving dangerously and illegally with no license or insurance. Warped thinking in my opinion, he was a school aged child of sixteen that had a full life ahead of him. One wonders about his background with all that was going on at the farm and why he was out at that hour driving a car. There's an air of innocence around all sixteen year olds, they still need minding, guidance and strong mentoring.

The sentence was upheld for good reason.

Tell that to people who have lost family members as as a result of joyriders. My Mum (72) was out walking her dog narrowly escaped being hit by a car with 4 teenagers inside going out of Control, sliding across the road, narrowly missing a family in a car with their baby. The car hit a tree and the sixteen year old driver died at the scene. I felt lucky my Mum was a few yards up the road. Wouldn’t call it warped thinking at all.

No one wants a young man to lose his life, but no one wants to lose a family member as a result of someone else’s illegal feral behavior.

El_Bee

In my experience the majority of dog breeders need to be dragged into the street and shot.

John_Rambo

anewme wrote: »

Tell that to people who have lost family members as as a result of joyriders. My Mum out walking her dog narrowly escaped being hit by a car with 4 teenagers inside going out of Control, sliding across the road, narrowly missing a family in a car with their baby. The car hit a tree and the sixteen year old driver died at the scene. I felt lucky my Mum was a few yards up the road. Wouldn’t call it warped thinking at all.

Yeah, I completely understand where you and Ursus Horribilis are coming from. I've come across that crap on rural roads, it's frightening and selfish, and I don't live with it like you do, so maybe I don't (understand) and have a full appreciation of the implications to the community or your frustrations.

I just think, reading between the lines and what went on on that farm that the family dynamics weren't right. Who lets their sixteen year old child out at five in the morning in a car? Judging from what went on in plain sight on the site the boy was brought up on I'd imagine his moral compass wasn't exactly aligned correctly. I believe any child under a certain age has a degree of innocence.

Church on Tuesday

How any 'man' can abuse an defenseless animal is beyond me.

You can usually tell the character of a man the way he treats animals.

Your Face

Sickening and all done for profit.

The whole case seems dodgy, its not that hard to spot a ****ehole farm, yet this was going on for ages.

whisky_galore

El_Bee wrote: »

In my experience the majority of dog breeders need to be dragged into the street and shot.

People should wise the fcuk up and stop buying dogs from these breeders. Cut off their revenue.

Irish Guitarist

Nothing dodgy about Carlow council at all. No way. https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

batgoat

Don't think such cruelty to animals can be explained away as trauma from a family tragedy. It's a pretty disturbing attitude towards animals to the point where it's not beyond possibility that he's a danger to people as well as animals. But definitely not a sudden thing to develop.

batgoat

batgoat wrote: »

Don't think such cruelty to animals can be explained away as trauma from a family tragedy. It's a pretty disturbing attitude towards animals to the point where it's not beyond possibility that he's a danger to people as well as animals. But definitely not a sudden thing to develop.

The family tragedy happened AFTER he was jailed. Obviously disregard for the laws of the land runs in the family.

Deebles McBeebles

whisky_galore wrote: »

People should wise the fcuk up and stop buying dogs from these breeders. Cut off their revenue.

A million times yes. Adopt a dog if you want one. Plenty of older, well trained dogs are available. You don't all need an 8 week old pup that you can trace lineage back to the 1800's ffs.

Dog’s Aid patron and animal rights activist, Linda Martin, said she welcomed the fact the sentence was upheld.
“This is a precedent now. This is going to make people realise that if you abuse animals, Ireland is not going to tolerate that anymore, and I think that is very, very important.”
She said Ireland was known as the “Puppy Farming Capital of Europe”, which was “a terrible moniker to have”.
“There are at least 1,000 premises out there like this (Kavanagh’s). Trust me, north, south, east and west, all operating with appalling cruelty, for the owners to make vast amounts of money”.
“I’m not saying don’t breed dogs, because there are very decent breeders out there, and those dogs are very well cared for. I’m talking about the people who have hundreds of breeding bitches in the most appalling conditions. And the message has to go to them, we’re not going to tolerate it any longer.”

Fr_Dougal

whisky_galore wrote: »

People should wise the fcuk up and stop buying dogs from these breeders. Cut off their revenue.

That’s not even what happened here. This scumbag realised that he could earn more money by breeding dogs, mistreating them, and then bring them to animal rescue centres in the U.K. to pocket >£50 per dog.

He was literally breeding dogs to mistreat them and cash in. His wife helped with the operation, yet only received a suspended sentence. They should both have been locked up for a very long time.

Does the county council actually visit the premises before issuing the license? There are also rules about the export of dogs. Are these enforced?

anewme

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Nothing dodgy about Carlow council at all. No way. https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

There was also a long running thread in Carlow Section on Boards before the Court case. It had been running since the discovery of the "farm".

After the Court case, I was going to post about this case as I feel it is a landmark in relation to change in tolerance of animal abuse and I found that thread. Rather than start another thread here, I added to that thread already open.

I posted that this result should be recognised as a great result for animal welfare.

A mod told me I was lucky I was not getting a ban from Boards and that I was either "sick or not aware of what happened". Then the thread has disappeared from Boards.

It is not me that is sick and treated the animals like that and the thread should not have disappeared. Irrespective of what happened afterwards, it is a landmark ruling and yesterdays result strengthens that point.

anewme

anewme wrote: »

There was also a long running thread in Carlow Section on Boards before the Court case. It had been running since the discovery of the "farm".

After the Court case, I was going to post about this case as I feel it is a landmark in relation to change in tolerance of animal abuse and I found that thread. Rather than start another thread here, I added to that thread already open.

I posted that this result should be recognised as a great result for animal welfare.

A mod told me I was lucky I was not getting a ban from Boards and that I was either "sick or not aware of what happened". Then the thread has disappeared from Boards.

It is not me that is sick and treated the animals like that and the thread should not have disappeared. Irrespective of what happened afterwards, it is a landmark ruling and yesterdays result strengthens that point.

I would imagine that the mod was referring to his sons death rather than your post about animal cruelty.

RHJ

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would imagine that the mod was referring to his sons death rather than your post about animal cruelty.

That's still not good excuse to remove a thread just because you are worried that someone might get upset with what is said.

Grayson

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

A million times yes. Adopt a dog if you want one. Plenty of older, well trained dogs are available. You don't all need an 8 week old pup that you can trace lineage back to the 1800's ffs.

Apparently the puppy breeding industry in this country is horrible. It's just loads of animal rights abuses. And there's a ridiculous amount of inbreeding to keep the different lines pure.

I also don't get the desire to own a breed which has genetic defects. At this point in time it should be illegal to own a dog that has been bred to have defects. When you see the difficulties that animals like bulldogs have it's just horrible.

RHJ

RHJ wrote: »

That's still not good excuse to remove a thread just because you are worried that someone might get upset with what is said.

If it was at the time the lad died, I would agree with their decision. We don’t need add to the families heartache.

anewme

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine that the mod was referring to his sons death rather than your post about animal cruelty.

I was aware that his son died, but I still believe it is a positive victory for animal rights in this Country.

Calling me "a sick individual" and threatening to ban me and completely removing the thread was bang out of order.

The only person "sick" was the person convicted of abusing the animals in such a manner and those who facilitated him by turning a blind eye

anewme

Deleted User wrote: »

If it was at the time the lad died, I would agree with their decision. We don’t need add to the families heartache.

It was at the time to be fair, but you need to bear in mind this case has taken 3 years to come to Court and was frustrated at every hands turn by this man, who used every excuse in the book from depression to alcoholism to avoid taking responsibility for his crimes and avoid prosecution.

I am very happy that the decision was upheld yesterday and he was not able to use these circumstances to avoid justice. He has avoided it long enough.

Deebles McBeebles

Grayson wrote: »

Apparently the puppy breeding industry in this country is horrible. It's just loads of animal rights abuses. And there's a ridiculous amount of inbreeding to keep the different lines pure.

I also don't get the desire to own a breed which has genetic defects. At this point in time it should be illegal to own a dog that has been bred to have defects. When you see the difficulties that animals like bulldogs have it's just horrible.

Absolutely, there is a reason we are known as the puppy farming capital of Europe. We have so many dog breeders in this country that we export them to England and further afield. Meanwhile thousands are put down every year.

The bulldog is particularly disgusting alright, particularly when you see what they used to look like. There is an attempt to breed healthier bulldogs...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olde_English_Bulldogge
How well that's going I don't know.

anewme

anewme wrote: »

It was at the time to be fair, but you need to bear in mind this case has taken 3 years to come to Court and was frustrated at every hands turn by this man, who used every excuse in the book from depression to alcoholism to avoid taking responsibility for his crimes and avoid prosecution.

I am very happy that the decision was upheld yesterday and he was not able to use these circumstances to avoid justice. He has avoided it long enough.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m happy that the decision was upheld.
I’m also happy that Boards didn’t want to add to the families distress by allowing it be debated while they were coming to terms with their bereavement.
As Darina Allen famously said, you can still love the sinner but abhor the sin.

anewme

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t get me wrong. I’m happy that the decision was upheld.
I’m also happy that Boards didn’t want to add to the families distress by allowing it be debated while they were coming to terms with their bereavement.
As Darina Allen famously said, you can still love the sinner but abhor the sin.

I’ve feel differently.

The comment that it was a great result for animal rights stands and for a Mod to call a poster sick is not acceptable no matter what day it is.

Mr.Fantastic

strandroad wrote: »

Another interesting aspect is how his farm passed its inspection by the Carlow county council just a few months before he was found out. The number of carcasses and the woeful state of the animals found alive all point to a long term development on his farm. Carlow CC refuses to publish inspection reports. They are also hiding reports on other ongoing puppy farm investigations. I don't know Carlow, how is it run?

https://evoke.ie/2019/04/10/news/irish-news/carlow-inspection-reports-james-kavanaghs-puppy-farm

I was just discussing this with my family, we are from Carlow and we were saying the exact same.

You would wonder would Carlow CC get investigated for this and their lack of proper inspection

El_Bee

Grayson wrote: »

Apparently the puppy breeding industry in this country is horrible. It's just loads of animal rights abuses. And there's a ridiculous amount of inbreeding to keep the different lines pure.

I also don't get the desire to own a breed which has genetic defects. At this point in time it should be illegal to own a dog that has been bred to have defects. When you see the difficulties that animals like bulldogs have it's just horrible.

Even the "decent" breeders deliberately breed defects into certain dogs German Shepards for example are breed to have shorter back legs because it's the fashion at shows, absolutely disgusting.

Irish Guitarist

I feel sorry for the son somewhat. He didn't choose his parents and now his life has been tragically cut short. Kavanagh and the wife I have no sympathy for. They didn't stop being scumbags at the moment the son died nor did the story stop being newsworthy. If they don't want to be discussed they shouldn't have abused animals on a massive scale for a few euro. Fuck them.