Exaggerated Previous Salary

ihsjjdllkjf

Hi Guys,

So i have applied for a new role in a new company, they have made me an offer but i feel i have cornered myself now by exaggerating my previous salary, I regret it and i won't be doing it again, i'm super stressed about it. I'm thinking of refusing the offer just in case i get caught out.

My question is, will it be noticed when i am being signed up to payroll of the new company. Now that we don't have P45s anymore, what information does the new employer receive from Revenue service about my previous income when I am being added to their payroll?

Thanks

blindside88

I wouldn’t worry about it OP

1) Chances are the person that interviewed you won’t be the person that sorts out the payroll so it won’t matter

2) The company feel that you are worth the money they are paying you, they believe you are worth it therefore you should believe you are worth it

Best of luck with the new job

lawred2

Is it normal to be asked what your current salary is?

Either way I'm not sure I'd be answering

Charles Ingles

You will be caught out without a doubt.

dartboardio

No.
It will be fine.

Your previous employer is your own business along with the details on p21 or your p60.

Your p45 will only be stored in your new employment as proof of cessation. Nothing else.

The details regarding your previous employers are never looked at apart from references.

They dont start tapping in numbers from your documents to see if they add up or anything haha as if they'd be bothered or have the time

Arnold Layne

I've always exaggerated my current salary where moving jobs. It's the only way to guarantee a good salary increase.

I've never had any problem with payroll in other companies and this is when the P45s were paper.

VW 1

Caught out how, and why does it matter? If the company lies to you saying the max they can offer for a position is x, but when you start you find someone in the same position is on x+5k, nothing happens.

For me, it's a negotiating tactic and as long as you can do the job, more power to you OP. Maximising income is something you should always look to do, companies would have no problem paying you a little less to add it to their profits. Good luck with the new job.

Water John

A dumb Priest never got a good parish.

GerardKeating

ihsjjdllkjf wrote: »

Now that we don't have P45s anymore, what information does the new employer receive from Revenue service about my previous income when I am being added to their payroll?Thanks

Unless the new job pays less that your exaggerated salary, they could not notice this, and even with the old P45, it shows your total package, including overtime, bonus etc, so they could not figure out your basic salary.

And moving from a €45K job to a €40K job might be valid if there is a big reduction in hours or travel time.

Turkish1

Charles Ingles wrote: »

You will be caught out without a doubt.

Just not true at all for a number of reasons. Your shouldn't think about this for a second and take the job if you feel it is a good fit and career move.

From being a hiring manager and also involved in payroll for a number of years i can tell you in all companies i have been with it.
(i) likely different people that do payroll and interviewed you
(ii) alot of companies outsource payroll so wouldn't even take a glance at your P45 (even when they were a thing)
(iii) only interested in your P45/payroll info for tax credit purposes.
(iv) it makes no difference to the hiring manager - they were happy to offer you what they thought you were worth
(v) everyone knows that the majority of people exaggerate their current package when interviewing for another role.

ihsjjdllkjf

Thanks for the confidence boost, and say if they really wanted to be able to verify my previous income, do they get my gross pay to date via the revenue website? Or just tax credit info?

Odelay

Charles Ingles wrote: »

You will be caught out without a doubt.

How are you that certain? “Without a doubt”? Care to back that up?

Turkish1

ihsjjdllkjf wrote: »

Thanks for the confidence boost, and say if they really wanted to be able to verify my previous income, do they get my gross pay to date via the revenue website? Or just tax credit info?

Honestly wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. You really shouldn't be spending any time worrying abuut this. Even if they did (and they wont) go to those lengths there is no way they can calculate your previous package - who is to say you didnt take unpaid parental leave, big pay increase recently (i.e. only recently on the upgraded salary), unpaid sick leave or any other myriad of reasons as to why your pay year to date wouldnt exacrly match what you said your package was.

helimachoptor

ihsjjdllkjf wrote: »

Thanks for the confidence boost, and say if they really wanted to be able to verify my previous income, do they get my gross pay to date via the revenue website? Or just tax credit info?

Stop worrying. It's not going to be an issue.

dartboardio

ihsjjdllkjf wrote: »

Thanks for the confidence boost, and say if they really wanted to be able to verify my previous income, do they get my gross pay to date via the revenue website? Or just tax credit info?

Im sure they would just look at the YTD figures on your recent payslip or p21.

They wont though. They dont care. They are offering you the job regardless of what you earned in a seperate employment. They dont give 2 flying....

Just stop overthinking it. Nobody who interviewed you is gonna have a conversation with payroll about what you earned last year or what you did or didn't say an interview.

You're not that important

ibarelycare

ihsjjdllkjf wrote: »

Thanks for the confidence boost, and say if they really wanted to be able to verify my previous income, do they get my gross pay to date via the revenue website? Or just tax credit info?

Your tax credit and previous pay & tax details will come through to your new employer from Revenue (through an electronic RPN file), but as others have said it's not an issue. Everyone exaggerates their salary in situations like this. No one's going to go looking to catch you out. It's none of their business at that stage and there could be many reasons why your salary on your RPN doesn't match what you told them in your interview. They obviously value you enough to offer you what they did, so well done.

OMM 0000

I wouldn't be worrying about this at all.

They've made you an offer they're happy with.

I'd forget about it.

partyguinness

dartboardio wrote: »

No.
It will be fine.

Your previous employer is your own business along with the details on p21 or your p60.

Your p45 will only be stored in your new employment as proof of cessation. Nothing else.

The details regarding your previous employers are never looked at apart from references.

They dont start tapping in numbers from your documents to see if they add up or anything haha as if they'd be bothered or have the time

To be honest it does depend on the size of the company. If your boss is hands on and likes to micromanage then it would only take a quick glance of the P60 or P45 to work out a ball park figure.

But as someone else mentioned if they are happy to make that offer then that is their commitment.

Now I am an employer and if discovered that the employee had blagged it I would not say a word as whatever my offer was based on that employees worth to my business.

But personally speaking I would take a rather dim view that someone looked into my eye and blatantly lied to my face. Maybe that is just me as I never lied or exaggerated in an interview simply because my motto is never lie about hard cold facts- it will come back to bite you and you have no defense.

A little puffing up? Yeah sure just a little but a blatant lie which can be easily disproved- not a good place to go as the OP has discovered.

While I would not say anything and leave it go it would certainly be noted mentally.

Tacklebox

You'll be grand in most places, the HR department and wage clerk don't be discussing interviews and people's past wage slips.

Best of luck with the new position.

LollipopJimmy

Highly unlikely that your new company will twig. Anyway, they've hired you, what you wanted was obviously within budget so happy days.

partyguinness

dartboardio wrote: »

Im sure they would just look at the YTD figures on your recent payslip or p21.

They wont though. They dont care. They are offering you the job regardless of what you earned in a seperate employment. They dont give 2 flying....

Just stop overthinking it. Nobody who interviewed you is gonna have a conversation with payroll about what you earned last year or what you did or didn't say an interview.

You're not that important

Perhaps you are just trying to put the OP at ease which is commendable and understandable and maybe I am missing something here but you seem rather sure of the OP's company etc!

But OP what is done is done. Just forget about it and concentrate on your new job. Who knows...they might joke about it at the Christmas party..."You cheeky devil you.."

partyguinness

OP...in the unlikely event it is brought up just say that the [inflated salary] was verbally promised at your last review if you kept up the good work and you fully expected to be bumped up to that figure.

They are paying you less than their max, you can bet on that.
Why are you worrying?

odyssey06

Asking for previous salary had been outlawed in some U S states from concerns it perpetuates gender and ethnic pay gaps.

matrim

partyguinness wrote: »

OP...in the unlikely event it is brought up just say that the [inflated salary] was verbally promised at your last review if you kept up the good work and you fully expected to be bumped up to that figure.

Or even I based my salary figure on receiving an end of year bonus

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

They are paying you less than their max, you can bet on that.
Why are you worrying?

Obvious enough really:-



HR: John can you pop down here for a few minutes
John: [Crap]
HR: Just wanted to clarify something. Our interview notes state that you were on €40k a year at your previous job. Just looking at your P45/P60. It looks like you were on €35k. Do you think they made a mistake at your last place and you need to go back and chat to their payroll?
John:............
HR: John?
John: .........Christ it's awfully warm in here. Leave it with me and I will look into it.


It's called your conscience...;)

bookworms

Under PAYE modernisation you will not get a physical P45. All the relevant information (regarding tax credits and cut off points etc.) will be sent to your new employer directly. All you need to do is notify Revenue of your new employer. Good luck with the new job.

ibarelycare

bookworms wrote: »

Under PAYE modernisation you will not get a physical P45. All the relevant information (regarding tax credits and cut off points etc.) will be sent to your new employer directly. All you need to do is notify Revenue of your new employer. Good luck with the new job.

OT but your new employer will register you if you change jobs. It’s not advisable to have employees do this themselves as they won’t have the Employment ID which is usually generated by a payroll software and will link up with the Revenue Payroll Notification. Employees registering themselves since 1st January is usually resulting in them being on emergency tax or having Nil credits and bands when it comes to their first (and often subsequent if it doesn’t get sorted) paycheques. Also the new employer (or whoever does the payroll) will see an individual’s previous pay and tax for the current year on the RPN, same as if they had a physical P45.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Obvious enough really:-



HR: John can you pop down here for a few minutes
John: [Crap]
HR: Just wanted to clarify something. Our interview notes state that you were on €40k a year at your previous job. Just looking at your P45/P60. It looks like you were on €35k. Do you think they made a mistake at your last place and you need to go back and chat to their payroll?
John:............
HR: John?
John: .........Christ it's awfully warm in here. Leave it with me and I will look into it.


It's called your conscience...;)

Or simply it's the: "Why do you think you can ask my current salary in an interview" tax

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Or simply it's the: "Why do you think you can ask my current salary in an interview" tax

Oooh....so you're going to turn into a smart ass with your new employer...that will work out well...

Employer: 'I am asking the questions here sunshine and I will ask whatever the hell I want*. So you're are a smartass as well as a blatant liar. You missed that of your cv.'

* within the limits of employment law

B_ecke_r

you'll only be "caught out" if you're not up to the job.

Recruiter is not gonna be the one putting your pay through

you've been hired for X and good luck to you

B_ecke_r

partyguinness wrote: »

But personally speaking I would take a rather dim view that someone looked into my eye and blatantly lied to my face. Maybe that is just me as I never lied or exaggerated in an interview simply because my motto is never lie about hard cold facts- it will come back to bite you and you have no defense.

A little puffing up? Yeah sure just a little but a blatant lie which can be easily disproved- not a good place to go as the OP has discovered.

While I would not say anything and leave it go it would certainly be noted mentally.

99% of every interview is based on lies and bull sh1t

partyguinness

B_ecke_r wrote: »

99% of every interview is based on lies and bull sh1t

Bull****...Yes.
Lies....Not so sure. If so then it is news to me as I never personally lied. Yeah sure like everyone you might puff up existing facts or embellish a little. Who hasn't done it.

But a downright lie about salary or even qualifications- risky business but the OP can blag his way out of it in the unlikely event that it becomes an issue.

B_ecke_r

suppose,

I would always answer that question in a way of regardless of what I'm on now X is the minimum I would expect to change roles

partyguinness

B_ecke_r wrote: »

suppose,

I would always answer that question in a way of regardless of what I'm on now X is the minimum I would expect to change roles

Yeah that's fair enough

"I'm on €35k now but my employer has intimated that will increase to €40k at next review...."

Now that may well be a complete and utter lie but you can get away with it.

paw patrol

OP honestly your new employer would think you are a bit of a dope if you didn't overstate your current salary

Teddy Daniels

I earn x with a bonus of x/4 if I hit my targets and also x/6 if I innovate in certain ways so if I do well in a year I get 141.6% of my salary. At this point (end of q1 ) if I left today I would have earned 25% of x so working out my salary based on my earnings so far this year would be out by a large margin.

fishy_fishy

Some jobs linked to public sector require proof of previous salary as it determines your entry point on the payscale. If it's that, then you'll probably just go in at a lower point

piplip87

I always add on a few grand to my salary but say I'd be willing to take a small cut to come work for your company as I feel (fill in flattering statement here) I still get a rise and shows you really want the job.

Charles Ingles

I'd be worried if I was you, lies always catch up with you.

Brian201888

It would never cross my mind to be honest about my current salary. If I'm looking for a new role I'm doing it because I want a significant payrise so I'll exaggerate my current salary to play the game. it's a nonsense question anyway, your current salary has no bearing on your worth to the new company but if employers insist on asking then I'm adding 15%-20% to the figure

matrim

Brian201888 wrote: »

It would never cross my mind to be honest about my current salary. If I'm looking for a new role I'm doing it because I want a significant payrise so I'll exaggerate my current salary to play the game. it's a nonsense question anyway, your current salary has no bearing on your worth to the new company but if employers insist on asking then I'm adding 15%-20% to the figure

TBH I usually answer by saying "I'm looking for around X depending on benefits" instead of saying what I'm earning.

It's can be hard to put an exact figure on what you get paid too. How much do you include for things like insurance / pension / other perks?

Dial Hard

I haven't been asked my current salary in years, it's far more common to be asked your salary expectation these days. And even if someone did ask my current salary, I'd just answer them with "My salary expectation is X."

ChikiChiki

Charles Ingles wrote: »

You will be caught out without a doubt.

How very naive of you. At a guess your an employer who is a fan if the race to the bottom?

It's an employees market! Always know your value and don't undersell yourself.

Good luck OP you will be fine.

ongarboy

I suspect the "you'll be caught out without a doubt" post is just a pointless statement with zero evidence to back it up and designed to scare OP. It has absolutely no basis in reality as all of the other posts with evidence based information prove.

If your past company paid 35K for a role that other companies typically pay 45K for the same role/expertise/skill set and you've done your research through Glassdoor, recruitment agencies etc then you are worth 45K for the expertise/skill set/experience you have and that is what you should base your expectation on as you would have been underpaid all along. Just because a prior employer underpaid you does not mean future employers are entitled to. But it is up to you to negotiate and confidently articulate your expectations with them.

Companies can and do hire different people and give them radically differing salaries even though the candidates may have the exact same abilities and experience. The reason being one candidate negotiated or held out for a better salary. This is easier to negotiate during a job seekers market (ie nowadays as we approach full employment and job seekers are scarce)...less so when it's an employers market and there are more job seekers than available roles.

sbsquarepants

The company will only have agreed to pay you what they think your roll is worth, maybe they would have gone even higher if you'd been a bit bolder in your response - they won't ever bother to check what the last company paid. It's a completely unrelated topic.

I personally wouldn't worry about it one bit - it's up to you to look out for you, it's up to them to look out for them!

partyguinness

Poster are mixing up two different scenarios here.

Going into an interview and trying to haggle a good increase on current salary is one thing. Going in an lying about your current salary is a different thing altogether.

partyguinness

ongarboy wrote: »

I suspect the "you'll be caught out without a doubt" post is just a pointless statement with zero evidence to back it up and designed to scare OP. It has absolutely no basis in reality as all of the other posts with evidence based information prove.

What evidence based information would that be? But I agree "you'll get caught out without a doubt" is just as extreme or pointless as "you have nothing to worry about. Nobody will check"

ongarboy wrote: »

If your past company paid 35K for a role that other companies typically pay 45K for the same role/expertise/skill set and you've done your research through Glassdoor, recruitment agencies etc then you are worth 45K for the expertise/skill set/experience you have and that is what you should base your expectation on as you would have been underpaid all along. Just because a prior employer underpaid you does not mean future employers are entitled to. But it is up to you to negotiate and confidently articulate your expectations with them.

Companies can and do hire different people and give them radically differing salaries even though the candidates may have the exact same abilities and experience. The reason being one candidate negotiated or held out for a better salary. This is easier to negotiate during a job seekers market (ie nowadays as we approach full employment and job seekers are scarce)...less so when it's an employers market and there are more job seekers than available roles.

This is where the waters are being muddied. The OP did not go in to an interview and when asked said "My salary expectations are around the €xx pa" even if that is a big jump on current role. There is nothing wrong with that.

The OP was asked about his current salary. He lied. He (or she) is now worried that the employer will find out. Reasonable to feel little a trepidation- I certainly would too. That is quite different from going in with and putting your expectations on the table.

But I think we have given the OP some ready made excuses if the situation arises.

Budawanny

Nothing to worry about here. They are paying you what they think you are worth. irrespective of what your previous employers paid you.
there is no chance payroll will know or care about this conversation either.

partyguinness

Budawanny wrote: »

there is no chance payroll will know or care about this conversation either.

Really? How do you know? It's not payroll that will care as you say but it is very easy for employer to find out if they are so minded.

sbsquarepants

partyguinness wrote: »

Really? How do you know? It's not payroll that will care as you say but it is very easy for employer to find out if they are so minded.

Why would they bother?

They agreed to pay him what they would have already agreed in advance that the job was worth. It's not like you can just rock up and say "well my last job payed half a million" and they'll agree!

They want him for the job, they're paying what they think he's worth - it's done and dusted. OP stop worrying about it - it's sorted, you've done well!

If it does come up, tell them the extra amount was a bonus or some such spiel.

There's just no problem here!