Would you use a consent app?

riffmongous

So there was a story earlier today about someone wanting to develop a 'consent app' at UCD.. mass email.. outrage.. yadda yadda yadda. Anyway would you use one? You make some digital signature or something indicating you are up for it, and then get down to business.



I can see a hell of a lot of problems with it anyway, who owns the data? The privacy implications! What if you're drunk? Consent can be withdrawn at any time. What if you agree and the hot blonde who started chatting to you back at the bar calls in Bubba?

TheValeyard

I'm sure I read about an app like this last year. Somewhere in the US?


The whole thing is balls anyway.

suicide_circus

i seem to remember spontaneity and animalistic passion being important parts of lustful romance

strandroad

No. What's the point? You can give initial consent but then they become violent and rape you. Or force you to sign consent in the first place. Cannot be resolved with an app, it's just a silly idea.

buried

I made me own app. Its called 'The sitting beside the fire forever reading because the world is gone to complete and utter f**king wallop App'

alroley

Very creepy idea. So someone signs it and then you can do whatever you want to them?

riffmongous

alroley wrote: »

Very creepy idea. So someone signs it and then you can do whatever you want to them?

That's most likely the reality, rather than the idea. The idea seems to be to counter false rape claims

LessOutragePlz

Could a person not just take your phone log into the app and pretend that it's the phone owner giving consent when it actually isn't.

strandroad

riffmongous wrote: »

That's most likely the reality, rather than the idea. The idea seems to be to counter false rape claims

It wouldn't counter them though; our hypothetical false accuser would simply add "so he forced me to sign" before "and then he raped me".

SEPT 23 1989

So glad I'm old enough to remember just looking into a girls eyes and then we
made love

It's sad what they have to put up with now

Church on Tuesday

I give up.

TheValeyard

strandroad wrote: »

No. What's the point? You can give initial consent but then they become violent and rape you. Or force you to sign consent in the first place. Cannot be resolved with an app, it's just a silly idea.

About as useful as liking a post on facebook to stop cancer/terrorism/brexit/etc

cannotlogin

It's utterly useless.

Consent can be withdrawn if the goalposts are moved.

Mint Sauce

No, because one, people can change their mind at any point, and anytime you are getting down and dirty, your phone and opening an app is going to be the last thing on your mind.

i seem to remember spontaneity and animalistic passion being important parts of lustful romance

Still is I thought.

cannotlogin

Maybe we should just film everything anymore!

Seriously though, rape is a serious issue but a consent app is not going to resolve anything.

Force Carrier

________________________
l Are you under duress? l
l OK Cancel l
l_______________________l

seamus

The change of mind is the most serious implication here. The notion being that someone who would use such an app might believe that it gave them carte blanche once the consent is signed.

If you feel like this app is a good idea, then it means that you fundamentally do not understand what consent is.

Your Face

I'm going to have sex with that app when it's launched.

upinsmoke

I'd like an app they would consent to been video recorded.

Tacklebox

Sounds like an Idea from some soya induced cuck....

Someone who's self-esteem won't develop until snakes grow leg's and men lay eggs...

What a creepy idea....

Dravokivich

I don't need an app for consent itself. One that leads me to someone who'll consent. Now that's something that'll appeal.

Outlaw Pete

There's already loads of consent apps. I'm out.

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=consent

Richard Hillman

So your getting hot and heated with somebody you just met. You're in the bedroom, tearing off each others clothes off, you're both giving it the aul mouth action on the nether regions, you're ready for to send the submarine into deep sea exploration and all of a sudden....."****, we need to give formal consent."

"Oh no, I deleted the app, I needed the space.
I'll download it now. What's your WiFi code?"
"it's under the router downstairs"
:Puts on pants, runs downstairs:
"OK I'm connected, I'll download it now"
:clicks download:
"ah f**k, I have to delete an app for the space. Er...I need that. Need that one. Gwan I'll go for the Pornhub app"
:uninstall:
:presses download for consent app:
:ah f**k another one. OK, MyTaxi can go."
:uninstall:
:presses download for consent app:
:downloads:
:installs:
"OK I'm up and running"
:enters email address:
:enters password:
"FFS, Password needs a special character"
"OK, how can we connect?"
"I don't know, I forgot my password, I'm just waiting for an email to be sent to reset it"
:awkward silence:
"I have lost my hard-on"
"Wait there, I'll watch some porn and I'll be ready again.... Oh s**t"
"Sure we can do this again sometime. I need to be up early tomorrow. I'll just order a taxi... F**k"

Tacklebox

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't need an app for consent itself. One that leads me to someone who'll consent. Now that's something that'll appeal.

Just put in your application and leave the rest to faith...

At the "wrong" side of 45 I naturally feel a little envious of the young and their youth, etc. Then I read bolloxology like this and feel grateful to have grown up in a better time.

pleas advice

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't need an app for consent itself. One that leads me to someone who'll consent. Now that's something that'll appeal.

theres an app for that. all the young people are at it, or so I'm lead to believe

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There's already loads of consent apps. I'm out.

In saying that, I do think some needlessly got their knickers in a twist about the whole thing, sanctimoniously twisting the motive behind it:


https://twitter.com/jadeswilson/status/1105239750208831491

Force Carrier

Your Face wrote: »

I'm going to have sex with that app when it's launched.

Get with the program.

SEPT 23 1989

I am a middle aged man with wife kids house etc that in previous decades I would be considered a conservative at this stage in my life

But I am far more liberal and tolerant than any of these young people pushing this rubbish

riffmongous

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I am a middle aged man with wife kids house etc that in previous decades I would be considered a conservative at this stage in my life

But I am far more liberal and tolerant than any of these young people pushing this rubbish

Who do you think is pushing it? I don't see the liberal and tolerant connection

pleas advice

just wear a hidden camera '...you can leave your hat on'

Purple Mountain

Is the app for two some only?
What about gang bangs?
'Hang on a sec, Tom. Peter and Mikey have signed mine but you haven't. Oh flip, and I forgot to sign your app, Mikey- pass it over here and I'll do that while Tom reads the small print about my safe word in mine.'

pleas advice

*Tom has left the group chat*

MsGiggles

Not even sure how a consent app would help !!!

BeerWolf

I expect designated government run motels where participating parties have to physically sign consent forms before doing the deed in the coming years...

MsGiggles

BeerWolf wrote: »

I expect designated government run motels where participating parties have to physically sign consent forms before doing the deed in the coming years...

Can we get a LOL please !

tritium

God this story was some pile of sanctimonious ****e and agenda pushing

-idea that consent needs to be formally and explicitly obtained is verbalized
- someone looks to create an (admittedly flawed) application to ensure this happens
-groups who originally verbalized this lose their **** and attack the developer as the spawn of the patriarchy

Erm, they’re running with your original premise my dear. Maybe you could actually be constructive with your idea.

One tool bag actually had the ironic cheek to describe this as “toxic masculinity” just had to shoehorn that in I guess- I guess obtaining consent isn’t relevant for women so.

Makes me wonder if some groups might not have a different agenda than they actually let on.

KikiLaRue

I voted yes because if a man I was seeing and wanted to sleep with asked me to I probably would, but I wouldn't ever propose it from my side.

*Rolls eyes*

tritium

MsGiggles wrote: »

Not even sure how a consent app would help !!!

Put simply it wouldn’t. Even if you had contracts signed in blood you’d still have cases where alcohol or drugs or differences in understood intention or some other random variable meant what the two parties believe happened differs significantly.

That’s the nature of the messy stuff that is human interactions. Just going with #Ibelieveher (or indeed #Ibeleievhim) won’t change that, all it does is pretend there are no grey areas.

That said I do think the real reason certain groups lost their **** here is that reasonable doubt becomes a much lower bar if someone can be shown to have freely signed something like this.thats not by the way stating it as right or wrong, good or bad, it’s just a fact. Unfortunately even with something like this you’ll still have some rapists walking free, some false accusers and a big pile of people in the middle where the truth is much less certain.

KikiLaRue

I don't know why establishing consent has to be so legalistic and decidedly unsexy.

"Wanna f*ck?"
"Does that feel good?"
"I really want you - are you ready for this?"

There's loads of perfectly good ways within the confines of a normal conversation leading up to sex to be totally sure you've got consent.

Obviously if you're tearing the clothes off each other, it's not necessary - but if you sense hesitance or reluctance it's absolutely no harm to make sure instead of ploughing ahead.

I'm 30 now, and my recent experience with men is that they are perfectly well able to cope with a 'No' if that's what happens when it comes down to it. But when I was 19 or 20, that wasn't the case. Lads would keep trying to convince or persuade you in a manner I'd imagine they would classify as 'persistent' but could actually be quite intimidating.

They really did make you feel like they were hard done by if you changed your mind or didn't want to go all the way.

Maybe I've got better taste in men now, but I think it's just a youth thing to a large degree.

batgoat

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

In saying that, I do think some needlessly got their knickers in a twist about the whole thing, sanctimoniously twisting the motive behind it:

As pointed out, consent can be withdrawn. It's also inapplicable if a woman is so drunk that she is incapable of consent. Also, how do you even guarantee that it's her who gave consent? It's a medical student proposing the application which is frankly worrying as they should have some grasp of the concept of consent.

MsGiggles

tritium wrote: »

Put simply it wouldn’t. Even if you had contracts signed in blood you’d still have cases where alcohol or drugs or differences in understood intention or some other random variable meant what the two parties believe happened differs significantly.

That’s the nature of the messy stuff that is human interactions. Just going with #Ibelieveher (or indeed #Ibeleievhim) won’t change that, all it does is pretend there are no grey areas.

That said I do think the real reason certain groups lost their **** here is that reasonable doubt becomes a much lower bar if someone can be shown to have freely signed something like this.thats not by the way stating it as right or wrong, good or bad, it’s just a fact. Unfortunately even with something like this you’ll still have some rapists walking free, some false accusers and a big pile of people in the middle where the truth is much less certain.

Good points, well made

Spleerbun

batgoat wrote: »

As pointed out, consent can be withdrawn. It's also inapplicable if a woman is so drunk that she is incapable of consent.

What if the guy is even more drunk, what happens then? Can he consent?

Giveaway

Consent app! Bad idea for married men. Wives could get access to the logs.
Or even subpoened by divorce lawyers.
New twitter outrage, consent apps lead to (divorce) rape

Lollipops23

Men are 200 times more likely to be raped themselves than be accused of rape.

Plopsu

KikiLaRue wrote: »

"Wanna f*ck?"
"Does that feel good?"
"I really want you - are you ready for this?"

I answered yes to all of these but it was because I felt under duress. Which also applies to the app.

seamus

tritium wrote: »

God this story was some pile of sanctimonious ****e and agenda pushing

-idea that consent needs to be formally and explicitly obtained is verbalized
- someone looks to create an (admittedly flawed) application to ensure this happens
-groups who originally verbalized this lose their **** and attack the developer as the spawn of the patriarchy

Erm, they’re running with your original premise my dear. Maybe you could actually be constructive with your idea.

One tool bag actually had the ironic cheek to describe this as “toxic masculinity” just had to shoehorn that in I guess- I guess obtaining consent isn’t relevant for women so.

Makes me wonder if some groups might not have a different agenda than they actually let on.

To be fair, it would never have become known except that the guy who sent the email included that he wanted to create the app to protect men from being sued post-coitus.

That was his entire reason for the app.

It was never about ensuring that consent is properly obtained or recorded, but about the boogeywoman waiting in the bushes to have sex with men and then cry rape the next day.

tritium

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, it would never have become known except that the guy who sent the email included that he wanted to create the app to protect men from being sued post-coitus.

That was his entire reason for the app.

It was never about ensuring that consent is properly obtained or recorded, but about the boogeywoman waiting in the bushes to have sex with men and then cry rape the next day.

Except you’re treating the two as distinct when they’re not. If the reasoning is to prevent men being sued when they have consent then they have consent- actively sought consent, the exact thing that we’ve been hearing is needed. Now when someone actually goes off and creates something to make that happen they’re the devil incarnate and a tool of the patriarchy while the goalposts shift.

Tbh I’m not really sure how, at it’s heart an app like this could ever be for anything but the stated reason. You can dress it up all you like but someone refuses to click yes then they’re not consenting. No ambiguity there. A rapist won’t care about that so the app doesn’t protect them. The clicker already knows if they consent so the apps not for them either. The only person who gets tangible benefit is the one ensuring they have consent. If it makes you feel better you can say they want to know and record it for the good of others rather than self interest but ultimately for a non-rapist self interest in a pretty big part of it

No one disputes that consent can be withdrawn or consent may be limited in scope or capability. However it generally good practice to answer part a of the exam question (I.e. get consent initially) before trying to solve the trickier related parts b and c. That’s to say, maybe it’s detactors should try seeing it as part of the solution and work on the bugs rather than take the opportunity for outrage

lainey_d_123

Richard Hillman wrote: »

So your getting hot and heated with somebody you just met. You're in the bedroom, tearing off each others clothes off, you're both giving it the aul mouth action on the nether regions, you're ready for to send the submarine into deep sea exploration and all of a sudden....."****, we need to give formal consent."

"Oh no, I deleted the app, I needed the space.
I'll download it now. What's your WiFi code?"
"it's under the router downstairs"
:Puts on pants, runs downstairs:
"OK I'm connected, I'll download it now"
:clicks download:
"ah f**k, I have to delete an app for the space. Er...I need that. Need that one. Gwan I'll go for the Pornhub app"
:uninstall:
:presses download for consent app:
:ah f**k another one. OK, MyTaxi can go."
:uninstall:
:presses download for consent app:
:downloads:
:installs:
"OK I'm up and running"
:enters email address:
:enters password:
"FFS, Password needs a special character"
"OK, how can we connect?"
"I don't know, I forgot my password, I'm just waiting for an email to be sent to reset it"
:awkward silence:
"I have lost my hard-on"
"Wait there, I'll watch some porn and I'll be ready again.... Oh s**t"
"Sure we can do this again sometime. I need to be up early tomorrow. I'll just order a taxi... F**k"

Brilliant! Sums up the ridiculousness of the idea alright.

buried

tritium wrote: »

Tbh I’m not really sure how, at it’s heart an app like this could ever be for anything but the stated reason. You can dress it up all you like but someone refuses to click yes then they’re not consenting. No ambiguity there. A rapist won’t care about that so the app doesn’t protect them. The clicker already knows if they consent so the apps not for them either. The only person who gets tangible benefit is the one ensuring they have consent.

What about people who don't have this app then? What if they don't want to use or can't afford the technology? Do they need to get a hand written form in order to consent so it can be swiped on the app on the other persons phone? Does a solicitor need be present instead of the absent app? Or are they out the game until they co-operate and get this app? How is this sort of wollix going to work in fairness