Green card for driving in NI and UK

Odyssey 2005

Rang my ins company today re thus green card shyte.Aviva A full half hour on the phone. I have to call them EVERY time I want to cross the border. A card from now until the end of the policy is not possible. I said I wanted to stay up north overnight and they wanted to know where I would be staying !!. That didn't go down well. What a fookin polava.
Called Mrs.O's ins co then post ins expecting the same shyte. Not a bit or it,card on its way from now until the policy expiration date .

Aviva need to get their house in order.

RacoonQueen

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Rang my ins company today re thus green card shyte.Aviva A full half hour on the phone. I have to call them EVERY time I want to cross the border. A card from now until the end of the policy is not possible. I said I wanted to stay up north overnight and they wanted to know where I would be staying !!. That didn't go down well. What a fookin polava.
Called Mrs.O's ins co then post ins expecting the same shyte. Not a bit or it,card on its way from now until the policy expiration date .

Aviva need to get their house in order.

What if you need to drive up at short notice? Or if you drive up regularly for work or other reasons?

Odyssey 2005

RacoonQueen wrote: »

What if you need to drive up at short notice? Or if you drive up regularly for work or other reasons?

My points exactly,but no I have to inform them EVERY time and they send out a card with a start and end date . The card can only be valid for a few days,I got fed up waiting on the operative to return with this nugget of knowledge, so I hung up.

Dravokivich

It's not their fault.

Odyssey 2005

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's not their fault.

Then why not furnish a card from now until the end of the policy. Both companies said that customers living in the border counties were being issued cards without looking for them. The clown in Aviva didn't know where Kilkenny was,when I told her she couldn't understand why I'd want to drive all that way.....true story !

Odyssey 2005

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

My points exactly,but no I have to inform them EVERY time and they send out a card with a start and end date . The card can only be valid for a few days,I got fed up waiting on the operative to return with this nugget of knowledge, so I hung up.

That "policy" won't hold. There's too many people going back and forth on the border every day. A decision will come one way or another - it might be late in the day but it will come.

I guess in the meantime, start "booking" your cards to cover you for the first month- if you tie them up in paperwork, they'll soon change their tune.

Dravokivich

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Then why not furnish a card from now until the end of the policy. Both companies said that customers living in the border counties were being issued cards without looking for them. The clown in Aviva didn't know where Kilkenny was,when I told her she couldn't understand why I'd want to drive all that way.....true story !

I doubt most of the folks I work with know where Kilkenny is either. And to be honest it doesn't matter. The conditions for those green cards have little to do with the insurance companies. It's a political matter.

Silent Running

Aviva are hedging their bets. They are hoping that Brexit will be abandoned and they won't have to do anything. I spoke to them yesterday, I'm going to the UK on a ferry on the 20th of this month. My return trip is booked on a variable ticked, provisionally on the 28th. I could be coming back after the 29th.

They said that I should make contact again closer to my departure date. that there might be changes in the next week.

I'm old enough to remember getting a green card as standard. It was just printed on the bottom of the cert and it was for the full period of the policy. It's not rocket surgery, just print out new certs for those that need them.

Odyssey 2005

Silent Running wrote: »

Aviva are hedging their bets. They are hoping that Brexit will be abandoned and they won't have to do anything. I spoke to them yesterday, I'm going to the UK on a ferry on the 20th of this month. My return trip is booked on a variable ticked, provisionally on the 28th. I could be coming back after the 29th.

They said that I should make contact again closer to my departure date. that there might be changes in the next week.

I'm old enough to remember getting a green card as standard. It was just printed on the bottom of the cert and it was for the full period of the policy. It's not rocket surgery, just print out new certs for those that need them.

Unfortunately I'm that old too. And an international driving licence .

dudara

I got a message from 123.ie saying that they will issue green cards valid until the end of your policy, assuming that there is a no deal Brexit.

They are issuing them automatically to people in the Border counties, and others can request them as needed. They recommend 10 (IIRC) working days, though I’m sure that could be expedited if needed

Isambard

Axa have said the same, issuing automatically

Silent Running

So is it just Aviva acting the sack then? :mad:

Odyssey 2005

Silent Running wrote: »

So is it just Aviva acting the sack then? :mad:

Apparently

OldMrBrennan83

Didn't even realise the green card thing was happening.

Silent Running

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Apparently

Time for a more robust phone conversation then.

So, will there be a border checkpoint then, checking green cards?

OldMrBrennan83

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, will there be a border checkpoint then, checking green cards?

208 of them maybe?

Silent Running

Deleted User wrote: »

So, will there be a border checkpoint then, checking green cards?

If there is no deal, without a hard copy green card, your insurance will not be valid in the UK and your car can be impounded.

Riskymove

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Didn't even realise the green card thing was happening.

It isn't for sure yet

Only if no-deal Brexit happend

Silent Running

Ireland have said that there will be a grace period for motorists. This hasn't yet been reciprocated by the UK. Maybe that's what Aviva are holding out for.

OldMrBrennan83

Riskymove wrote: »

It isn't for sure yet

Only if no-deal Brexit happend

We can probably bank on that happening at this stage.

Isambard

Riskymove wrote: »

It isn't for sure yet

Only if no-deal Brexit happend

not necessarily, it depends what sort of deal is reached.

OldMrBrennan83

Isambard wrote: »

not necessarily, it depends what sort of deal is reached.

No deal means there's no sort of deal reached.

Atlantic Dawn

Best solution to this bollixology is is everyone rings up each day to inform them they are travelling up the next day, a few weeks of it and they would put their house in order and just give full coverage on the card up to policy expiry date.

Atlantic Dawn

Silent Running wrote: »

Ireland have said that there will be a grace period for motorists. This hasn't yet been reciprocated by the UK. Maybe that's what Aviva are holding out for.

I don't know why we agreed to that if the UK didn't return the favour, I suppose MIBI as infinite money, they can just stick another 5% on to motor insurance down here to cover uninsured UK claims.

Odyssey 2005

Silent Running wrote: »

Time for a more robust phone conversation then.

My Hindi isn't great.;)

mgbgt1978

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's not their fault.

It is exactly their fault.
Other insurers are able to supply a green Card for the duration of the policy. Aviva are unwilling to to this.
So, whose fault do you think it is that Aviva won't do what many other Insurers are quite willing and able to do ????

OldMrBrennan83

https://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/green-card-chaos-number-of-motorists-refused-documents-from-insurers-37890283.html

theoneeyedman

What's the problem issuing the cards? How much does it cost to print off a card with every policy, bear in mind the average policy is probably 5/600 quid.

Load of b0llix if you ask me, making a crisis for no fvcking good reason.

Isambard

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No deal means there's no sort of deal reached.

The guy was saying there would only be green cards in the case of No Deal, and I said "Not Necessarily".In other words there could be green cards if there is a deal come to.

CiniO

I'm not surprised at all by that.
Aviva has shown themselves to me as extremely unreliable and not trustworthy insurer when my wife had a policy with them.
We switched few years ago, even the price was higher.
Not worth arguing with uncompetent people.

Atlantic Dawn

Has anyone received one of these green cards, is it even green, what does it look like? I'm applying for one tomorrow, purely for the craic, might become a collectors item should they UK stay.

CiniO

I actually wonder if those greencards issued nowadays, cover only UK (is it indicated on the green card UK only) or do they cover all green card system countries which include pretty much all Continent of Europe and Asian part of Russia and probably few more countries.

NIMAN

I cross the border daily, I haven't called my insurer yet.

Nor have they contacted me.

CarAudio

International insurance certificates should be issued at insurance renewals. Regardless of Brexit happening or not, you should have one already, if not, ask for one. If they refuse tell them you need to drive to France or whatever next month.
It should be free.
If you are refused one, just keep your full policy document with you in the glovebox, where it states you are allowed to drive anywhere in Europe for X number of days. Better than your insurance disk alone on the windscreen.

Odyssey 2005

You don't need it to drive in France.

TrailerBob

It’s a rather large bucket of cow poo... almost all insurers operating here are also in the UK so there should be no reason why they can’t sort this quickly.

Tabnabs

For anyone with an AIG policy, I asked and was told:

Thank you, I have noted that you require one however, I can confirm that we are not issuing Insurance Green Cards at this time and cannot confirm if we will be issuing such documents however, if the cards are required on or after 29 March 2019 we will process accordingly.

ednwireland

i emailed allianz just asked if i need one yet , they asked me for my reg no. so assume its going to be sent to me

wassie

Kennco giving similar responses as AIG as Tabnabs above. After 20 mins of telling them Im crossing the border several times a week for work they said that it would cost me €30 to issue the card and I would be put on a waiting list. Going to be some unhappy policy holders if this is required in a few weeks.

RoYoBo

ednwireland wrote: »

i emailed allianz just asked if i need one yet , they asked me for my reg no. so assume its going to be sent to me

I contacted Allianz via Facebook too and was told I had to ring to request one! No other way, online or anywhere else. It really should be automatic.

bodonnell

Update on aviva website.
They will issue a green card but want 10 days notice, it's valid then until end of policy.

Odyssey 2005

bodonnell wrote: »

Update on aviva website.
They will issue a green card but want 10 days notice, it's valid then until end of policy.

Maybe my rant on the phone yesterday worked

CarAudio

Green card is not a proof of insurance. Nobody gonna take your car away after Brexit if you dont have one. But you must have a proof of insurance, so keep your full policy in your wallet or glovebox. Green card only makes things easier to police forces to quickly check the conditions of your insurance policy (Are you insured to drive in this country for example).

When I had one years ago it was clearly stating I was not covered to drive in Northern Ireland, Montenegro and so on.

CiniO

CarAudio wrote: »

Green card is not a proof of insurance.

It is a proof that your insurer is providing third party cover in a country which is part of green card system.
Without it, you will only be covered in countries which are part of EU or signed a deal with EU about recognising insurance.

Nobody gonna take your car away after Brexit if you dont have one.

Without green card, you won't be insured in UK, so they can take your car away.

But you must have a proof of insurance, so keep your full policy in your wallet or glovebox.

You Irish policy will be useless in post-nodeal-brexit in UK, as it won't provide cover there.

Green card only makes things easier to police forces to quickly check the conditions of your insurance policy (Are you insured to drive in this country for example).

Nothing like that.
Green card is a document that shows that you are covered to drive in countries which are part of green card system.
Without it, you are only covered in EU countries, and those which signed a deal with EU about recognising third party insurance.

When I had one years ago it was clearly stating I was not covered to drive in Northern Ireland, Montenegro and so on.

Green card can exclude some countries, as your insurer might wish.
There are no laws forcing insurers to issue them afaik.

josip

Here's what they look like.
https://ua.all.biz/en/green-card-for-departure-on-a-car-to-the-cis-and-s591303

We get one every year, I think it's €12 or €20 123.ie charge us for it.
We email 123.ie the countries we want it for, they cross them on the form, form is checked dilligently at relevant borders.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

Isambard

josip wrote: »

Here's what they look like.
https://ua.all.biz/en/green-card-for-departure-on-a-car-to-the-cis-and-s591303

We get one every year, I think it's €12 or €20 123.ie charge us for it.
We email 123.ie the countries we want it for, they cross them on the form, form is checked dilligently at relevant borders.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

Axa are sending them out automatically and presumably free.

josip

Isambard wrote: »

Axa are sending them out automatically and presumably free.

We haven't gotten it for this year yet, so don't know if they'll still be charging.
They might do since we need it for more than the UK

alchemist33

I'm insured with Allianz through the AA, and the AA are automatically sending one as I live in a border county. Just as well as when I rang Allianz last month they didn't know - I work in the north

Isambard

josip wrote: »

We haven't gotten it for this year yet, so don't know if they'll still be charging.
They might do since we need it for more than the UK

free of charge per the Independant

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/thousands-seek-green-cards-to-drive-in-uk-as-insurers-waive-fees-37825467.html

recyclebin

@Cinio: My policy says I can drive insured in the UK.

The green card does not validate or invalidate your insurance. It just means that they can impound your car in the UK if you are stopped and don't have one.