Interdepartmental HEO Competition 2019

Sinus pain

Advertised today closing 21/03/19

Anyone else gonna throw their hat in the ring?

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=102664

kildareash

Yup, just going for the experience as doubt I'd get anywhere.

LordBasil

I'll have a go at this. Probably won't get it as I don't have much management experience and I'm not sure what they mean in the Policy section.

It will be good experience for the future, especially if I get to do the Interview & Presentation Stage.

ilovethistles

Hi, does anyone know if time in the public service counts towards your two year service requirement? Tia

Crunchymomma

I'm in but pretty sure I won't make it past shortlisting..... Worth a shot though I suppose

JamPack

ilovethistles wrote: »

Hi, does anyone know if time in the public service counts towards your two year service requirement? Tia

Unfortunately from what i've been told, Public Service doesn't count.

LordBasil wrote: »

I'll have a go at this. Probably won't get it as I don't have much management experience and I'm not sure what they mean in the Policy section.

Just had a look and it seems that the "Policy" section is optional. On the application form it says "your experience of Policy Development or Implementation (if any)"

ilovethistles

JamPack wrote: »

Unfortunately from what i've been told, Public Service doesn't count.


Thanks JamPack, but I’m really hoping you’re wrong... I emailed PAS just now, so I should get a response at some stage tmor.

It’s probably wishful thinking though...

gerrybbadd

ilovethistles wrote: »

Hi, does anyone know if time in the public service counts towards your two year service requirement? Tia

Apparently not. A girl at work here emailed to ask and was told it doesn't count

ilovethistles

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Apparently not. A girl at work here emailed to ask and was told it doesn't count

Ah sugar... thanks Gerry. I’ll just have to wait for 2021 so...

Sinus pain

Not it doesn’t - I was caught out with that myself!

uck51js9zml2yt

I was 2 weeks short for the ID competition for EO . My 8 months in the PS didn't count
I now qualify for the heo

ilovethistles

Thanks for all the replies guys... I was hoping this wouldn’t open until September ish... ah well... it’s not my time.
Best of luck to you all xx

Addle

I will try, but the whole process is so off putting.
I wish they'd advertise location and number of vacancies, even just estimated.
So much effort has to go in to a genuine application.

ilovethistles

Sinus pain wrote: »

Advertised today closing 21/03/19

Anyone else gonna throw their hat in the ring?

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=102664

Hi Sinus,
Where did you get that link? I can’t find it on my pc on public jobs anywhere’s? Tia

eimaj18

As it's interdepartmental, I think the link is just sent internally from the Civil Service Bodies to their staff, so I don't think it would be on the home page. I could be wrong though.

ilovethistles

eimaj18 wrote: »

As it's interdepartmental, I think the link is just sent internally from the Civil Service Bodies to their staff, so I don't think it would be on the home page. I could be wrong though.

Oh ok thanks, we will probably get it today then.

I'll be going for this but fully expect to be eliminated at shortlisting

Aisling(",)

I'm going to give it a shot! I'm not an EO long but I'd love if I got to interview stage even just for the experience.

Aglomerado

Aisling(",) wrote: »

I'm going to give it a shot! I'm not an EO long but I'd love if I got to interview stage even just for the experience.

The experience will stand to you. I applied for AP as an EO and got to interview. I failed , but I gained valuable experience, applied for HEO and aced it thanks to the AP experience. Good luck!

BobCat123

Can AOs apply for this?

JamPack

BobCat123 wrote: »

Can AOs apply for this?

Don't think so unfortunately.

"6. Grades equivalent to the Higher Executive Officer grade (i.e. have the same maximum pay
scale or higher) are not eligible to compete in this promotion competition."

And I think the AO scale finishes on the same point as the HEO scale.

thats interesting that public service doesnt count.

thats new.

Addle

It's not new.
Same way civil service service doesn't count for public service roles.

LouD2016

Has anyone else received an email advertising this? My department hasn't sent around anything and I cant find it on public jobs - only accessing it through the OP's link

Addle

Got an email to work and my personal address from HR communications-peoplepoint.

Addle

Addle wrote: »

It's not new.
Same way civil service service doesn't count for public service roles.

my mistake

i must not have been promoted in a competition where my public service counted

i probably just imagined it

Addle

An open competition perhaps.
HEO is interdepartmental only.

The_Conductor

Deleted User wrote: »

thats interesting that public service doesnt count.

thats new.

Its never counted- and there was union uproar when it was suggested to make similar grades analogous for precisely that purpose.

Sinus pain

I got it through internal email

LouD2016

Just got the email now!

Kingp35

I'm in AGS and haven't gotten any email. Thanks for posting the link OP or may not have heard about the competition!

Nerd Queen

BobCat123 wrote: »

Can AOs apply for this?

Unfortunately not! Despite the fact that there is a monetary difference because both grades end up at the same point there is no way for an AO to apply. I know revenue allowed it for their internal heo comp though!

The_Conductor

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its never counted- and there was union uproar when it was suggested to make similar grades analogous for precisely that purpose.

hmmm

internal comp

can they just disregard or handwave away such requirements for those?


anyway its clear that its not going to work going forward and not worth derailing

botharbui

Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff

Sinus pain

I would - why not

LouD2016

botharbui wrote: »

Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff

of course, bring in every bit of experience you have.
I have no staff under me either and was told to put down my experience from private sector. even drag in things from outside work like running youth clubs or things like that that you may done

Aglomerado

botharbui wrote: »

Just wondering for completing the application form can I use management examples from the private sector? as an EO currently, I have no staff

I had no staff for the last 8 of my 12 years as an EO. Not having recent staff management experience didn't hold me back. As a HEO now I only manage one person compared with 10 as a newbie EO!!

botharbui

thanks for the feedback, wasn't too sure,this is my first time applying for HEO only here just the 2 yrs

Idjit

Definitely going to give this a go. Last time I wasn't eligible.
At the very least its experience for next time!

Crunchymomma

What level of management do you think is required for this competition? As it is the only promotion grade left, it would stand to reason that EO level management should be sufficient but I am very worried that I will get cut at shortlisting

The_Conductor

Crunchymomma wrote: »

What level of management do you think is required for this competition? As it is the only promotion grade left, it would stand to reason that EO level management should be sufficient but I am very worried that I will get cut at shortlisting

It depends entirely on the Department- but its far from unusual for EOs not to have any staff reporting to them. In cases like that- it would be difficult to show a degree of competence in this area- and it might be better to try and bring outside experience into the equation (if you have it). The fact of the matter is- EOs today- akin to AOs- more often than not, quite simply no longer have staff reporting to them......... Some Departments- notably those with very large CO contingents- might be different- but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Kittykat6

Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?

Crunchymomma

The_Conductor wrote: »

It depends entirely on the Department- but its far from unusual for EOs not to have any staff reporting to them. In cases like that- it would be difficult to show a degree of competence in this area- and it might be better to try and bring outside experience into the equation (if you have it). The fact of the matter is- EOs today- akin to AOs- more often than not, quite simply no longer have staff reporting to them......... Some Departments- notably those with very large CO contingents- might be different- but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Thanks. I hsve some private sectar management experience but only have staff as an EO in the last six weeks.

Racking my brain for the policy section as well. I'm sure there are EOs involved in policy development but that's definitely not the kind of job I'm in

Crunchymomma

Kittykat6 wrote: »

Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?

Id say not, there really isn't that many HEOs in AGS. I'm in a regional hq and there is 2 here (1 of which is an analyst) and 1 more on the way and thats it.

eimaj18

Crunchymomma wrote: »

Thanks. I hsve some private sectar management experience but only have staff as an EO in the last six weeks.

Racking my brain for the policy section as well. I'm sure there are EOs involved in policy development but that's definitely not the kind of job I'm in

By the time the first batch of interviews are out, you will have 3 more months of managing staff, so that should count well. I'm awaiting appointment as an EO, I have no idea if I'll be managing staff but will put it down on the form when I know. So, as of the 21st of March when the form is in, I'll have no (formal) experience of managing staff but hope to by the time the interviews come around , if I get that far. Even if I do, I may not be in the first batch so that time will all count. Coaching, mentoring, managing up - any of those would help you out. And of course any outside experience you'd have too.

Yeah I don't have any really. I'm just kinda talking up my involvement in policies that my unit was involved in. It says it's optional too.

derryleigh1

Kittykat6 wrote: »

Yep I submitted my application for this.do you think it will be HEO for AGS??😂 judging by last EO competition the majority were assigned to AGS including myself. Replace g inspectors grade?

Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

LillySV

Lads it’s all about competencies these days, learn the buzzwords !

Crunchymomma

derryleigh1 wrote: »

Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

Really?? There hasn't been any talk of HEOs replacing roles previously held by inspectors in galway as far as I'm aware. Would really up the vacancies if they did

Sinus pain

Yes - for this one anyways

Kittykat6

derryleigh1 wrote: »

Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

Really that's interesting it was just a guess!

Amanda.ie

derryleigh1 wrote: »

Cork City has 3 HEO general, and 5 HEO analysts. More vacancies to follow to replace some Inspectors.

How could an Inspector be replaced? His role is office based.
Why replace an Inspector and not a sergeant for eg?

Civilians can do some of the clerical work but they cannot replace an Inspector.

GISC has 16/17 HEOs and more to come I would say.