Bloody Sunday veterans to be charged with murder within 2 weeks

Kermit.de.frog

Tomorrow's Torygraph reporting that at least 4 veterans are likely to be charged with murder within the next fortnight.

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/oQN5UVEgvIdDpHyD39kdDQ/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/JCsrpWjKSbtQ6ExFm1g6_0203%20Telegraph.JPG

This is likely to be a big story.

The Satanist

Justice might be finally done.

Article says they'll be informed in a couple of weeks. Kerfuffle about nothing for now. Could almost say.... fake news.

This is not aimed at you OP but the term 'veteran' grates on me at the best of times, especially in this context.

Ex-servicemen is an improvement, but why not just say what they are? Former soldiers.

lawred2

Well it wouldn't be before time

Coillte_Bhoy

Ah man change the post title ffs

NIMAN

Well considering they committed murder, about bloody time.

Kermit.de.frog

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Ah man change the post title ffs

What would you like it changed to?

Harry Palmr

Bad timing if it pisses the DUP off as it will.

(the OP simply transcribed the headline)

Lucy8080

If the guns ,of elite troops, were turned in such a violent way against the citizens of London , or the citizens of Glasgow,or Liverpool , or Birmingham, or Cardiff ,or any other urban centre in the U.K. ... against folks (kids in a lot of cases) on a civil rights march...

Well, would the good folks of those cities expect an account to be given from their authorities?

Or would they support, Instead, a leading headline... which basically suggests that "our veterans are being picked on"..... for firing on unarmed protesters (kids)?

How many were shot in the back?

FrancieBrady

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Bad timing if it pisses the DUP off as it will.

(the OP simply transcribed the headline)

Isn't that why these families have waited for justice for almost 50 years? Let's not annoy a few unionists. :rolleyes:

DEFTLEFTHAND

I could never understand why the soldiers opened up fire on innocent people without provacation. That would be unlike the ultra regimented British Army.

Something must have sparked that day.

FrancieBrady

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I could never understand why the soldiers opened up fire on innocent people without provacation. That would be unlike the ultra regimented British Army.

Something must have sparked that day.

This might help. 'ultra regimented British Army' indeed. :rolleyes:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14702430601135610

The British public has always expected its soldiers to behave with absolute honour at all times but in the past has turned a blind eye to some of the
less savoury aspects of war. Today’s public and media are less lenient and
are quick to condemn when evidence of any apparently unnecessary
violence comes to light. Cicero’s ‘inter arma silent leges’ of 52 BC [in war, the
law is silent], the unwritten rule of ‘combat immunity’, is no longer sufficient defence as soldiers are being called to account for many acts of aggression. By February 2005, the British Military Police were investigating
137 incidents of alleged war crimes by British soldiers in Iraq and several
soldiers have subsequently been convicted. The Secretary of State for
Defence recently called on the British people to ‘be slower to condemn and
quicker to understand’ yet there have been few concerted efforts to try to
determine why individual soldiers might use force illegally. Therefore, the
purpose of this article is to try to understand why professional soldiers
commit these acts of ‘personal violence’ even though they have been
trained to control the application of force and are fully aware of the Laws of
Armed Conflict.

timthumbni

I saw a clip of a Bloody Sunday march in Londonderry recently. Full of berets and provo looking bands. Is there different factions at play here within republican circles?

I didn’t think the victims families wanted to be associated with this but it obviously I was wrong.

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

I saw a clip of a Bloody Sunday march in Londonderry recently. Full of berets and provo looking bands. Is there different factions at play here within republican circles?

I didn’t think the victims families wanted to be associated with this but it obviously I was wrong.

Families are split. There is no majority on either side as actual families have split on it. Some march some don't. Republican bands march as IRSP, Saoradh and Eirigi have aligned RFBs who will march it.

The families asked that 2011 was last march but tjen support the march again.

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

I saw a clip of a Bloody Sunday march in derry recently. Full of berets and provo looking bands. Is there different factions at play here within republican circles?

I didn’t think the victims families wanted to be associated with this but it obviously I was wrong.

Corrected that for you.

timthumbni

JitzNdHitz wrote: »

Corrected that for you.

How pathetic is that? Are you telling me what I have to refer to Londonderry, derry, doire or stroke city? Are you high up in the thought police?

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

How pathetic is that? Are you telling me what I have to refer to derry, doire or stroke city? Are you high up in the thought police?

I'm not telling you to refer to it as anything. I'm just saying I corrected it.

McMurphy

timthumbni wrote: »

How pathetic is that? Are you telling me what I have to refer to Londonderry, derry, doire or stroke city? Are you high up in the thought police?

About as pathetic as coming on to an .ie website and typing stuff deliberately for the reaction you knew you'd get.

timthumbni

JitzNdHitz wrote: »

Families are split. There is no majority on either side as actual families have split on it. Some march some don't. Republican bands march as IRSP, Saoradh and Eirigi have aligned RFBs who will march it.

The families asked that 2011 was last march but tjen support the march again.

I think it’s slightly weird that they keep harping on about civilians as a full republican band with berets and sunglasses walks past in the back ground in Londonderry.

(You see I can correct things too)

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

I think it’s slightly weird that they keep harping on about civilians as a full republican band with berets and sunglasses walks past in the back ground in Londonderry.

(You see I can correct things too)

They were civilians, the government you are loyal to have said as much

timthumbni

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

About as pathetic as coming on to an .ie website and typing stuff deliberately for the reaction you knew you'd get.

I’m far from a new poster on here. I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry. I refer to the city mostly as Londonderry. I don’t start a hissy fit when others refer to it as derry or doire or anything else. I wld like the same courtesy. It’s really a non issue. This whole Ireland of equals thing doesn’t seem to working out that well in practise.

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

I’m far from a new poster on here. I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry. I refer to the city mostly as Londonderry. I don’t start a hissy fit when others refer to it as derry or doire or anything else. I wld like the same courtesy. It’s really a non issue. This whole Ireland of equals thing doesn’t seem to working out that well in practise.

Oh it's working perfectly. You will be answering to Dublin within 10 years. Your as equal as I am, obviously more so of a mongrel but we accept everyone.

timthumbni

JitzNdHitz wrote: »

They were civilians, the government you are loyal to have said as much

I’m not disputing that. I’m saying it’s weird that a beret wearing republican band is walking past in the background as the relative speaks. It’s almost like an Alan partridge sketch.

McMurphy

timthumbni wrote: »

I’m far from a new poster on here. I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry. I refer to the city mostly as Londonderry. I don’t start a hissy fit when others refer to it as derry or doire or anything else. I wld like the same courtesy. It’s really a non issue. This whole Ireland of equals thing doesn’t seem to working out that well in practise.

I have no issue with what you call it, attention seeker's will always want attention.

I was pointing out the irony in getting upset about being called out on the attention seeking.

Perhaps this thread might wonder off now on s tangent as to how the city should be called, rather than discussing the murders of unarmed civilians, who had the cheek and audacity to march for their civil rights, maybe that will be mission accomplished for you?

timthumbni

JitzNdHitz wrote: »

Oh it's working perfectly. You will be answering to Dublin within 10 years. Your as equal as I am, obviously more so of a mongrel but we accept everyone.

Lol. The true face of Irish republicanism shows it’s face quite quickly. Don’t put all your money on your assumption as poverty is a killer. (In fact go ahead.. ha)

Coillte_Bhoy

timthumbni wrote: »

I think it’s slightly weird that they keep harping on about civilians as a full republican band with berets and sunglasses walks past in the back ground in Londonderry.

(You see I can correct things too)

I think you'll find that the band members are probably civilians too, mad isnt it?

JitzNdHitz

timthumbni wrote: »

Lol. The true face of Irish republicanism shows it’s face quite quickly. Don’t put all your money on your assumption as poverty is a killer. (In fact go ahead.. ha)

It's on and all me oul flower.

bucketybuck

timthumbni wrote: »

I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry.

No you don't.

timthumbni

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I have no issue with what you call it, attention seeker's will always want attention.

I was pointing out the irony in getting upset about being called out on the attention seeking.

Perhaps this thread might wonder off now on s tangent as to how the city should be called, rather than discussing the murders of unarmed civilians, who had the cheek and audacity to march for their civil rights, maybe that will be mission accomplished for you?

I was not the one or ones who questioned the name of the city. I find it strange that others start whinging about my reference though. It’s not as if I will change my mind as to what I refer to a place very close geographically to me. It shouldn’t go off in a tangent. I accept others calling it derry and don’t whinge about it. I just expect the same for me.

timthumbni

bucketybuck wrote: »

No you don't.

Really? Are you seriously telling me where I live now? This is just getting weird now...

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

I’m not disputing that. I’m saying it’s weird that a beret wearing republican band is walking past in the background as the relative speaks. It’s almost like an Alan partridge sketch.

I think the Alan Partridge aspect is you clutching at this as a straw that the BA were right to do what they did. You join a long list from Widgery down who tried that old two-step.

It doesn't wash anymore, Britannia no longer controls the history or the narrative.

El_Bee

As much as justice needs to be done, I hate how this will give the shinners a boost.

JitzNdHitz

El_Bee wrote: »

As much as justice needs to be done, I hate how this will give the shinners a boost.

It's nowth to do with Sinn Fein, majority of families oppose Sinn Fein.

Necro

timthumbni wrote:

I’m far from a new poster on here. I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry. I refer to the city mostly as Londonderry. I don’t start a hissy fit when others refer to it as derry or doire or anything else. I wld like the same courtesy. It’s really a non issue. This whole Ireland of equals thing doesn’t seem to working out that well in practise.

Actually you live in the district of Derry and Strabane as it's been known since 2015....

As a NI citizen you should surely know the authorities haven't used county names since 1972

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think the Alan Partridge aspect is you clutching at this as a straw that the BA were right to do what they did. You join a long list from Widgery down who tried that old two-step.

It doesn't wash anymore, Britannia no longer controls the history or the narrative.

I never have claimed the BA murdering civilians was right.

I was pointing out how ridiculous it is for certain relatives to be talking about innocent civilians as a full IRA/real ira/ I can’t believe it’s not the real ira band walks past in the background. Very Alan partridge imo.

horsebox1977

How timthumbni gets away with the constant trolling here is beyond me. Just another orange bigot.

Anyway, back to these thugs in the BA. I really don't see any of these so called 'heros' doing a day in jail.

They went out that day to murder as many people as possible - how only 14 of the 26 that were shot died is a miracle.

FrancieBrady

El_Bee wrote: »

As much as justice needs to be done, I hate how this will give the shinners a boost.

In fairness, the shinners have been telling the Irish public what was going on in northern Ireland for decades. It certainly isn't their fault if they were not listened to.

Gimme A Pound

El_Bee wrote: »

As much as justice needs to be done, I hate how this will give the shinners a boost.

I'm just hopeful that the relatives of the murdered will get justice and I don't care otherwise because it's weird to be concerned about anything else.

timthumbni

Necro wrote: »

Actually you live in the district of Derry and Strabane as it's been known since 2015....

Actually I don’t. If you aren’t actually from here why are you embarrassing yourself. I said I was from County Londonderry (previously Co Coleraine) You are referring to council districts and you obviously don’t have a notion.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

I never have claimed the BA murdering civilians was right.

Yeh, you are making a convincing argument on that.

I think I know whose hypocrisy Steve Coogan would be pointing up here.

McMurphy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sea74XPI6M

timthumbni

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sea74XPI6M

Hilarious...

timthumbni

If convicted I assume 2 years is the maximum sentence if any jail time at all.

Baggly

Mod note

Cut out the sniping and name calling or cards will follow. Fair warning.

Gimme A Pound

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Bad timing if it pisses the DUP off as it will.

Bizarre thing to focus on.

timthumbni

Necro wrote: »

Actually you live in the district of Derry and Strabane as it's been known since 2015....

Yes, I’m looking forward to the all Ireland semi final between Dublin and “derry and Strabane” should be a great match..

Baggly

Mod

Are you kidding me? Take a break from this thread for a day tim

Fiftyfilthy

Londonderry to me as well

I’d never call it Derry

Church on Tuesday

timthumbni wrote: »

I’m far from a new poster on here. I actually live in NI too. And actually in County Londonderry. I refer to the city mostly as Londonderry. I don’t start a hissy fit when others refer to it as derry or doire or anything else. I wld like the same courtesy. It’s really a non issue. This whole Ireland of equals thing doesn’t seem to working out that well in practise.

That's a new one on me, I'm only aware of the county called Derry.

The city is widely regarded to be just Derry and rightly so, that is its original name.

As for the Bloody Sunday "veterans" I hope justice will be served, it usually is in instances of murder.

dermo888

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Londonderry to me as well

I’d never call it Derry

I call it both, every alternate turn, so that I can annoy everybody. If there's no pleasing anybody, you may as well annoy the lot. Eventually they'll give up being annoyed, and actually decide whats actually important.

Thats essentially British Conservative Party policy applied to Northern Ireland since partition in 1921. Guess what, everyone is worse off economically for it, 3,000+ people have been murdered, needlessly, and nobody knows if the wounds can ever heal.

Make it a country worth living for, not killing or shooting for.