The Impossible Burger 2.0

_Brian

emaherx wrote: »

So a second report funded by a different Vegan Billionaire using the same scientists came to the same conclusion and isn't in any way biased in the data it used?

He who pays the monkey calls the tune

gozunda

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Try our beef burger it's made from plants, know the difference!

Imposdible burger 'ingredients'

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12

It's not "made from plants' btw it's made from highly modified processed muck.

They can stick it ....

_Brian

Light relief

Xcellor

The food we give to cows to supplement their diets is full of GM soy+corn and cow nuts are highly processed but it's OK for them to eat it and then humans to eat them... Hmm. Double standard.

emaherx

Xcellor wrote: »

The food we give to cows to supplement their diets is full of GM soy+corn and cow nuts are highly processed but it's OK for them to eat it and then humans to eat them... Hmm. Double standard.

Pretty sure none of that soy was modified to Bleed. Also none of my cattle are fed Soy GM or otherwise. So no double standard here.

Xcellor

emaherx wrote: »

Pretty sure none of that soy was modified to Bleed. Also none of my cattle are fed Soy GM or otherwise. So no double standard here.

This is one example of food fed to promote high gain. Sold in ireland. Full of GM ingredients. Highly processed. Even has palm oil in (so eating cows is also killing orangutans) Look at all those additives..... Absolutely not natural for a cow to be eating this.

It's great that you don't feed your cows this but how does a consumer tell who does and who doesn't?

Perhaps we need to have "really grass fed beef" and "grass fed with GMO and other stuff" labels.

emaherx

Xcellor wrote: »

This is one example of food fed to promote high gain. Sold in ireland. Full of GM ingredients. Highly processed. Even has palm oil in (so eating cows is also killing orangutans) Look at all those additives..... Absolutely not natural for a cow to be eating this.

It's great that you don't feed your cows this but how does a consumer tell who does and who doesn't?

Perhaps we need to have "really grass fed beef" and "grass fed with GMO and other stuff" labels.

True the world has a lot to answer for. But your solution is avoid meat/dairy and consume Vegan Products made with GM crops from the same questionable sources?

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

This is one example of food fed to promote high gain. Sold in ireland. Full of GM ingredients. Highly processed. Even has palm oil in (so eating cows is also killing orangutans) Look at all those additives..... Absolutely not natural for a cow to be eating this. It's great that you don't feed your cows this but how does a consumer tell who does and who doesn't? Perhaps we need to have "really grass fed beef" and "grass fed with GMO and other stuff" labels.

You can use all the whataboutery you like tbh on this issue. It doesn't change the fact that Burger King are using hip and trendy marketing to sell highly processed ****e to gullible fools. But there you go ...


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Xcellor

gozunda wrote: »

You can use all the whataboutey you like tbh on this issue. It doesn't change the fact that Burger King are using hip and trendy marketing to sell highly processed ****e to gullible fools. But there you go ...


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Irish beef production uses highly processed nuts full of GM. I suppose most people are gullible fools when they believe that Irish beef is all grass fed and natural.

Clearly producing cows in Ireland is not sustainable if we need to feed them GM food to fatten them up.

Who cares what burger king do? Good luck to them. Beef grown with GMO food and now meatless burgers manufactured with GE.

_Brian

Xcellor wrote: »

Irish beef production uses highly processed nuts full of GM. I suppose most people are gullible fools when they believe that Irish beef is all grass fed and natural.

Clearly producing cows in Ireland is not sustainable if we need to feed them GM food to fatten them up.

Who cares what burger king do? Good luck to them. Beef grown with GMO food and now meatless burgers manufactured with GE.

Beef isn’t “grown” with ration.

Irish cattle are predominantly grass fed, ration would make up a tiny proportion of their overall lifetime feeding.

But hey, I don’t mean to stifle your propaganda there.

emaherx

Xcellor wrote: »

Irish beef production uses highly processed nuts full of GM. I suppose most people are gullible fools when they believe that Irish beef is all grass fed and natural.

Clearly producing cows in Ireland is not sustainable if we need to feed them GM food to fatten them up.

Who cares what burger king do? Good luck to them. Beef grown with GMO food and now meatless burgers manufactured with GE.

It's funny Tillage farmers grow food using unethical means to sell to livestock farmers to feed cattle so we should give up beef and buy more food from the same Tillage farmers?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Xcellor wrote: »

Irish beef production uses highly processed nuts full of GM. I suppose most people are gullible fools when they believe that Irish beef is all grass fed and natural.

Clearly producing cows in Ireland is not sustainable if we need to feed them GM food to fatten them up.

Who cares what burger king do? Good luck to them. Beef grown with GMO food and now meatless burgers manufactured with GE.

The processing of grain for cattle consumption consists of rolling it to break the husk for rumen bacteria to get access to the energy contained within and the extruding of it with other balancers and binders like Calcined Magnesite and molasses to form a ration balanced for micronutrients which is pelleted to prevent dust losses and ease of allocation.

But do carry on, if nothing else, your misrepresentation of facts is mildly amusing:)

Xcellor

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The processing of grain for cattle consumption consists of rolling it to break the husk for rumen bacteria to get access to the energy contained within and the extruding of it with other balancers and binders like Calcined Magnesite and molasses to form a ration balanced for micronutrients which is pelleted to prevent dust losses and ease of allocation.

But do carry on, if nothing else, your misrepresentation of facts is mildly amusing:)

So when is the GM soy bean and maize added?

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

Irish beef production uses highly processed nuts full of GM. I suppose most people are gullible fools when they believe that Irish beef is all grass fed and natural.

Clearly producing cows in Ireland is not sustainable if we need to feed them GM food to fatten them up.

Who cares what burger king do? Good luck to them. Beef grown with GMO food and now meatless burgers manufactured with GE.

Well its whataboutery for a start. And perhaps if you are going down the rabbit hole of throwing around accusations - you need to categorically state what percentage of 'beef production' in Ireland actually involves the use of "highly processed nuts full of GM" (sic).

I will take Irish beef anyway over highly processed muck manufactured in the US by multi national corporate interests and flown around the world - but hey there you go!

gozunda

Hilariously buger King appear to be serving said 'vegan' concoction with with an egg based mayo unless asked for otherwise.

And who said it wasn't a cynical marketing ploy!

And just in time the European Union has declared that the term ‘Veggie discs’ to replace veggie burgers in EU crackdown on food labels.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/apr/04/eu-to-ban-non-meat-product-labels-veggie-burgers-and-vegan-steaks

Have to have a laugh at that tbh - 'Veggie disks' anyone? Lol

longgonesilver

Xcellor wrote: »

They have no cholesterol though. Something that all plant alternatives whether milk alternatives, cheese etc have in common.

What makes you think that there is no cholesterol in them?


Coconut oil is 92% LDL, the bad cholesterol.

drunkmonkey

Don't think the impossible burger is the most pressing worry, Leo on the other hand https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/margaret-donnelly-i-wont-apologise-for-my-burger-and-nor-should-anybody-else-37985285.html

emaherx

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Don't think the impossible burger is the most pressing worry, Leo on the other hand https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/margaret-donnelly-i-wont-apologise-for-my-burger-and-nor-should-anybody-else-37985285.html

Being discussed here:
https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057970135/4/#post109856433

Xcellor

longgonesilver wrote: »

What makes you think that there is no cholesterol in them?


Coconut oil is 92% LDL, the bad cholesterol.

This is false.

Plant based foods contain no cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol can only come from milk, cheese, butter and animal flesh.

Your body makes cholesterol and this can be impacted by the type of fats you eat, so if you eat a lot of coconut oil (or oil in general which is a processed food) this can be converted to cholesterol. But there is a difference between eating somethign directly, and eating something that your body has to decide whether to convert into cholesterol or not.

greenfield21

I am the only one who sort of dosent get this thread? All food is processed crap now anyways. There is probably more people walking around labs in white coats trying to figure out how to increase the value of the commodity we sell them anyway.

emaherx

greenfield21 wrote: »

I am the only one who sort of dosent get this thread? All food is processed crap now anyways. There is probably more people walking around labs in white coats trying to figure out how to increase the value of the commodity we sell them anyway.

Speak for your self, very little processed food in any of my main meals.

_Brian

greenfield21 wrote: »

I am the only one who sort of dosent get this thread? All food is processed crap now anyways. There is probably more people walking around labs in white coats trying to figure out how to increase the value of the commodity we sell them anyway.

We avoid processed foods, I won’t say never but it’s a very small part of our overall diet.

We make a huge effort to cook from fresh raw ingredients at every meal.

We have a take away maybe 5-6 times a year tops.

Xcellor

_Brian wrote: »

We avoid processed foods, I won’t say never but it’s a very small part of our overall diet.

We make a huge effort to cook from fresh raw ingredients at every meal.

We have a take away maybe 5-6 times a year tops.

Fair play. Not easy.

Indian food is my weakness ...

_Brian

greenfield21 wrote: »

I am the only one who sort of dosent get this thread? All food is processed crap now anyways. There is probably more people walking around labs in white coats trying to figure out how to increase the value of the commodity we sell them anyway.

This comment grates on me. No offence intended.

The point is that under no circumstances should we accept a massively processed imitation food to be marketed as a “healthy alternative” to anything.

Your right about the lads in white lab coats, but that’s all the more reason not to accept it. These guys are planning the demise of farming, you can be sure of that.

It last slots right into the V & V addenda to crush farming.

The overlying fact is though that in countries where processed fast foods become accepted as tue norm there is a direct correlation with the demise of the societies health and well being.

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

This is false.
Plant based foods contain no cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol can only come from milk, cheese, butter and animal flesh.

Your body makes cholesterol and this can be impacted by the type of fats you eat, so if you eat a lot of coconut oil (or oil in general which is a processed food) this can be converted to cholesterol. But there is a difference between eating somethign directly, and eating something that your body has to decide whether to convert into cholesterol or not.

Highly misleading. Dietary cholesterol is not a significant issue in relation to cholesterol in the human body.

From a recent  article published on the Harvard medical school website ...

"research has shown that most of the cholesterol in our body is made by our liver. It doesn't come from cholesterol we eat. The liver is stimulated to make cholesterol primarily by saturated fat and trans fat in our diet, not dietary cholesterol.

Most of the cholesterol in the human body derived from saturated fats and trans fats - which comes from both plant sources such as coconut oil etc and animal products.

Looking at a breakdown of the impossible burger - a 85 g portion contains a whopping 10 g of saturated fat. And more importantly it is this type of fat which is which is converted into bad cholesterol in the body.

Here is the comparison of a 85 g portion* of Impossible burger with a 85 g portion of a regular home made burger

(*not a full serving)

Nutritional breakdown of one three-ounce serving of Impossible burger:

220 calories
13 g fat (10 g saturated)
430 mg sodium
20 g protein
5 g carbohydrates
0 g fiber
Less than 1 g sugar

Here's how it compares to a serving of a three-ounce  beef burger that's 93 percent lean:

164 calories
8 g fat (3 g saturated)
56 mg sodium
22 g protein
0 g carbohydrates
0 g fibe
0 g sugar


So not only is the impossible burger highly processed junk food - it also contains lots of saturated fat. Wtf would anyone buy rubbish like this - which not only contains unhealthy saturated fat but whose carbon footprint is considerable being manufactured and flown all the way from the US?

The propaganda being pushed by some in order to fool consumers here is staggering. Thankfully most people are not fools....

roosterman71

gozunda wrote: »

Thankfully most people are not fools....

Unfortunately, I'd say the opposite is true. Most people are absolute dimwits

gozunda

roosterman71 wrote: »

Unfortunately, I'd say the opposite is true. Most people are absolute dimwits

Meh - the most vocal advocates for this type of ****e make up at most about 1% of the population.

I reckon some others will certainly try it, realise its gunk and feed it to the dog...

roosterman71

I think you misunderstood. I mean in general, most people are idiots.

Of course you'll have clowns who think this poo burger is fantastic, and by eating it the ice sheets will expand, the hole in the ozone will close up and maybe even the dinos will rise from the dead

Xcellor

gozunda wrote: »

Highly misleading. Dietary cholesterol is not a significant issue in relation to cholesterol in the human body.

From a recent  article published on the Harvard medical school website ...




Most of the cholesterol in the human body derived from saturated fats and trans fats - which comes from both plant sources such as coconut oil etc and animal products.

Looking at a breakdown of the impossible burger - a 85 g portion contains a whopping 10 g of saturated fat. And more importantly it is this type of fat which is which is converted into bad cholesterol in the body.

Here is the comparison of a 85 g portion* of Impossible burger with a 85 g portion of a regular home made burger

(*not a full serving)

Nutritional breakdown of one three-ounce serving of Impossible burger:

220 calories
13 g fat (10 g saturated)
430 mg sodium
20 g protein
5 g carbohydrates
0 g fiber
Less than 1 g sugar

Here's how it compares to a serving of a three-ounce  beef burger that's 93 percent lean:

164 calories
8 g fat (3 g saturated)
56 mg sodium
22 g protein
0 g carbohydrates
0 g fibe
0 g sugar


So not only is the impossible burger highly processed junk food - it also contains lots of saturated fat. Wtf would anyone buy rubbish like this - which not only contains unhealthy saturated fat but whose carbon footprint is considerable being manufactured and flown all the way from the US?

The propaganda being pushed by some in order to fool consumers here is staggering. Thankfully most people are not fools....

There is nothing misleading about what I said. Only animal products contain cholesterol. Fact.

Saturated fats whether plant or animal can be converted by your body to cholesterol. I even used the example of coconut oil...

Dietary cholesterol can have a significant enough impact. In my own case before vegan 6.9 dangerous and doc wanted me to go on medication. I was eating normal and was not overweight. Two years later 4.9. No medication needed. The doctor even asked me what medication I was on because she couldn't believe it could drop so much.

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

There is nothing misleading about what I said. Only animal products contain cholesterol. Fact.

Saturated fats whether plant or animal can be converted by your body to cholesterol. I even used the example of coconut oil...

Dietary cholesterol can have a significant enough impact. In my own case before vegan 6.9 dangerous and doc wanted me to go on medication. I was eating normal and was not overweight. Two years later 4.9. No medication needed. The doctor even asked me what medication I was on because she couldn't believe it could drop so much.

It's this which is relevant.

"research has shown that most of the cholesterol in our body is made by our liver. It doesn't come from cholesterol we eat. The liver is stimulated to make cholesterol primarily by saturated fat and trans fat in our diet, not dietary cholesterol.

So most likley - as for most people it's not you are no longer eating 'dietary chloresterol' - which as per above is largely irrelevant to cholesterol levels - rather you probably have cleaned up your diet and / or eating fewer trans fats and saturated fats.

One of the biggest sources of saturated and trans fats are commercial bakery products such as bread, biscuits, buns, cakes also crisps, snacks, oils and spreads etc, many convenience foods and many types of fast food whether v*gan or otherwise. These dont have to be a big part of your diet to significantly cause a rise in cholesterol levels.