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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Maybe you think this is a dig at O Gara. It's not, it's a dig at all ex players who for some strange reason think Munster is beneath them. What's O Connell doing?? Second fiddle to the Irish mgmt. Surely the man being a Stalwart for Munster can see this job is perfect for him! Let's face it Rog and O Connell owe Munster nothing, we are forever in their debt. But OMG the Munster role is such a perfect fit for either of them!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Ekano


    I'm only referring to your comment about the fanbase! They have sold out their last 101 home games. Do Munster sell out 2-3 games a year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,964 ✭✭✭budhabob


    I wouldn't want POC near the munster job tbh - he has had limited exposure to rugby coaching and his area of remit with Ireland has been creaking. ROG is a whole different story, but he has been honest with his viewpoint and what he wants in his career - I fully respect that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭sleepyman


    He played grand but really he's the type of player who should be playing against the dragons on a Sunday afternoon not a crucial Champions Cup game.

    I say this with the upmost respect to him but hopefully we'll start producing a higher calibre of player that will phase out his starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    You are spot on re POC.

    RE Rog I watched both the Munster match and La Rochelle match. Sorry but there's no contest here the Munster match oozed blood from the crowd. Its an Irish thing no French side would compete!!

    I remember O Gara giving an interview one time more or less indicating that playing for Munster way surpassed the Irish Jersey. All I'm saying is respect that same Jersey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Just before Hodnett's try, Crowley steps back from play, scans his left wing, Beirne takes the ball to ground, recycles, Murray to Crowley and the rest is brilliant



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    He was only playing due to others being injured. He wouldn't have been the the 23 if Nankivell was fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Nankivell has been a loss, feel a bot of our attacking play went through him..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭sleepyman


    I know.It's just a general observation that our second tier of player need to be of a higher quality-easier said than done of course.

    Hopefully we're going in the right direction with the Edogbos,Brian Gleeson,Quin,O'Connell etc,-I'm confident their ceiling could be quite high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭oppiuy


    Does anyone know if there is a resale site or something similar for Northampton Tickets. Its sold out and if i can pick 1 up during the week ill head over



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I's say have a look over on MFs or the Saints fans site for a ticket. If it's not too much hassle I'd nearly travel and try pick up a ticket over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    This is brilliant play.

    Crowley is scanning for space on his left wing, sees Scannell, and once he gets the ball from Beirne's recycling it only ever going to Scannell.

    Then Hodnett chases the kick, sees that he's ahead of Farrell so checks his run to be onside for a pass from Farrell

    Farrell's pass to Hodnett takes out their ten and the ankle tap is the only thing stopping Hodnett from scoring, thankfully he had the composure to hold the ball and roll back on his feet, to score.

    Peach of a try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Yeah loved it! Kick was perfect and those passes were crisp.

    Saracens players scrambling and then skittling into themselves!

    Williams tap tackle was a great effort and the Hodnett tumble try finish was terrifically entertaining.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Ahern selection on the bench looks like an inspired decision now!

    He was the one who led the chase from Dalys kick in the lead up to that second try.

    Took off from the middle of the pitch on his own 10m to charge at Burke in the 22'. Burke sliced his kick to Nash who set up the ruck on the Saracens 10m line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    Just to add it was great to see Munster score a try like that.

    Didn't need set-piece. Good kicking. Good chasing. Good ruck speed. Good shape and organisation. Good hands (excl Hayley!) and a great finish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Haley had a very poor game by his standards but he never let it get to him, he was always looking for ball, running support lines, counter rucking when needed (I think at one stage he saved us being penalised by his rucking) and made two vital try saving tackles that in the end won us that game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭letowski


    A reasonable squad update for once.

    On the injury front, Conor Murray (elbow), Jack O’Donoghue (shoulder) and Diarmuid Barron (shoulder) all made successful returns against Saracens and came through the game with no issues.

    Diarmuid Kilgallen (wrist) also trained fully last week with no issues.

    Shane Daly failed a HIA on Saturday evening and will enter the graduated return-to-play protocols.

    Peter O’Mahony (calf contusion) will increase his training load and a decision on his availability will be made later in the week.

    Mark Donnelly has recovered from the ankle injury he sustained on Emerging Ireland duty and returns to full training this week.

    Munster Rugby | Squad Update | Munster Prepare For Northampton Away

    Kilgallen (or McCarthy) my come straight into the 15 if Daly doesn't make it through RTP protocols.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Cant wait to get a good look at Kilgallen, really good try scorer for Connacht. Would provide nice competition on the wing with Abrahams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Daly didn't have his best game for us on Saturday but he'll be a huge loss if not available to us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    Still nothing on Sean o Brien other than (leg)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Cossie in the media briefing said Munster are close to making an announcement on more signings but nothing on the head coach yet.

    He also said 3 players had PBs in the game last Saturday, was full of praise for all the players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    The head coach situation is a bit if a sh1t show at this stage tbh.

    Nothing from Flanagan since the Rowntree departure iirc.

    Very frustrating & a bit of a 2 fingered salute to the fans at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    I am glad the players and coaching team gave a two fingers salute to the media and opposition cheerleaders who have spent years talking down Munster.

    Post edited by exiledawaynothere on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,964 ✭✭✭budhabob


    Whilst I don't rate Flanagan, Munster have dealt with the head coach situation reasonably well. They clearly want to get the right (best possible) candidate and moved quickly to lock down the coaching team they wanted etc. Costello gives them stability in the interim.

    The whole situation is far from ideal, but being dealt with the best way possibly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭mun1


    why do you think the “situation” is a bit of a sh1t show exactly?

    What would you expect to hear from Flanagan that you haven’t heard from Cossie ?

    As long as they get the right coach for the long term , the current coach can keep things ticking along

    Leave out the “2 fingered salute to the fans “ nonsense.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,439 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    'It might frustrate people but it's such a big decision' - Costello on Munster head coach search

    https://the42.ie/6593665



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    If it's not a "situation" then what exactly is it?

    Let's call it a predicament so. Head coach, forwards coach & s&c head all gone mid season

    If prendergast gets the role then it is laughable...why not give it to him now or earlier.

    Boyd departs in 2 weeks. Will he be replaced short term again? Who knows

    Unacceptable imo that any CEO would remain this silent.

    Speak to the fans, pity he didn't get the FAI role as this silent approach would fit in well with them based on previous goings on in that organisation.

    He should be out front & centre as the head of a massive brand that is munster besides kicking it to Costello.

    But sure maybe it's just me & there is no "situation" & all this is very normal run of the mill communication/or lack of stuff within a club.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Why would the CEO be front and center? Costello is the defacto DoR. He's the face of the organisation. He's in charge of the search for the new coach.

    And what Costello said sounds reasonable enough.

    "We've got a meeting later this month and that will involve IRFU, PGC etc, Chris (Boyd) has had some input. We'll sit and talk about it... about looking at our structure, looking around at getting the best fit for a head coach and they are ongoing conversations.

    "I said this before and it might frustrate people but it's such a big decision, how it all fits, and it's the middle of the season as well.

    "We need to get it right and we don't feel under any pressure internally to speed that up despite the fact that maybe people on the outside are counting down 10 weeks, 12 weeks, whatever.

    "This is about getting it right for Munster so that we continue to build on what we've done over the last couple of years.”

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-41554042.html



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think it is pretty reasonable. The best candidates simply won't necessarily be available in November. No one was going to come in mid-season, so ultimately what difference does it make?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    Is no pressure internally another way of saying we have who want buy he/they are not available til season end?

    Are ye happy enough with Flanagans silence in all of this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I get the frustration from the fans about getting the mushroom treatment but I also see this from the corporate point of view, why would Flanagan want to re-open the issues around why we parted ways with Rowntree and almost certainly there isn't a CEO in the world who gives media updates on who they're head hunting. We all knew at the time that mid season isn't a great time to be looking for a new head coach, I think we're lucky to have had Costello in the role that he has as he was a safe pair of hands as an interim head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    I agree having Costello has been good, it could have been worse, im not knocking him

    When we exit the CC & "if" we get a poor run in the urc let's see where frustration levels ate then.

    Flanagan was quoted after GR departure & I'm sure he will be heard from when new appointment is made...but nothing in the interm

    Maybe I don't understand the roles enough but it's all very we are where we are stuff.

    They are pretty much saying the same stuff as 12weeks ago.

    Put it to bed then & get the hierarchy to come out and say it will be end of season before all of this is sorted

    If it happens before that then it's bonus territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    i think you're getting worked up for nothing.

    Cossie came out with a perfectly good response, 5 or 6 posts above this from Cookiemunster.

    lets worry about getting bodies off the treatment table and back on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX


    Let's see where we are come Easter time.

    There are issues to resolve outside of putting names to positions.

    Onwards to northampton we go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭mun1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭50HX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭mun1


    Team for Saturday. Northampton being a more free flowing team than saracens

    Bluler, Barron, Jager, Beirne, Ahern, POM, Hodnett, Coombes, Murray, Crowley, Daly, Scannell, Farrell, Nash, Haley.

    Not much room for movement in the starting with the lengthy injury list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Bleuler is gone, I believe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,345 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Be great to have POM back but he didn't feature in the warm up last week so I wonder if he's ready



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Pom has played as many games for Ireland this year as he has for Munster.

    He's been injured more than he is fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭CONSI


    and POM back in the Irish setup again this 6 nations, the whole POM/Munster situation seems strange this season. Has he played at all since the All blacks game.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    He played against Stade and Castres. He went off injured in the second half of the Castres game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,179 ✭✭✭almostover


    Fineen Wycherly had a super game last week, would be tough to drop him. I'd play Aherne at y and POM to bench. Niall Scannell is key to our set piece, wouldn't drop him either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 shimmieandshake


    The Daily Mail in the UK says Dan Kelly is "on the verge of signing for Munster".

    Would be interesting. A proper 12. Hard carrier, good hands. He was very, very good when bursting onto the scene a few years ago but has since had a few injury setbacks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The Daily Mail in the UK says Dan Kelly is "on the verge of signing for Munster".

    I feel like this story comes up every year?

    But yeah, he'd be a good signing, still young and eligible for Ireland again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 shimmieandshake


    Might be wrong, but I don't think he ever played for England, despite being in squads. Maybe he played in a non-capped game or something?

    Anyway, I'm pretty sure he'd be Irish qualified.

    He's also totally out of the England picture despite Borthwick being in charge. Fit, but not getting minutes at Leicester.

    The move makes sense for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Edited:

    Capped by England once in 2020 April 2021, so he could switch to Ireland now.

    To switch allegiance due to heritage is a three-year stand-down.

    The five-year rule is for an uncapped player to gain qualification in a country other than their own and have no recent ancestry.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    It was July 2021, so it would be 2026/27 before he's IQ again.



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