ICT Managers Civil Service

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 01-05-2019 6:50pm

trigger26 wrote: »

Got an update today on stream 2, im on the reserve batch. feels a bit like watching Jon snow the other night, a bit lost but still hope!

Same here . Wondering how many they are interviewing . Im surprised not to be shortlisted . Am a manager in a CS IT Dept already with 18 years in ICT and Mgmt degree ... Was panelled for other open AP comp which I was using as practice for this one !!!

irumudikkilli · 01-05-2019 7:40pm

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

Same here . Wondering how many they are interviewing . Im surprised not to be shortlisted . Am a manager in a CS IT Dept already with 18 years in ICT and Mgmt degree ... Was panelled for other open AP comp which I was using as practice for this one !!!

I was shortlisted in the Open based on more than 20 years of experience in Infrastructure Service and Delivery in the private sector, but did not even make the reserve list here. Have asked for a formal review, especially given this contradiction. How "senior" is "senior" level (the excuse they seem to be giving rejected candidates) I wonder!

Tow · 01-05-2019 9:26pm

Revenue's IT staff are fairly young, ~20 years of experience may not be a good thing...

Josey Wales · 01-05-2019 9:50pm

Tow wrote: »

Revenue's IT staff are fairly young, ~20 years of experience may not be a good thing...

That's an odd comment.

irumudikkilli · 02-05-2019 8:02am

Tow wrote: »

Revenue's IT staff are fairly young, ~20 years of experience may not be a good thing...

Is there supposed to be a magic number for these streams?

[E.g.: "Candidate shows insufficient number of years relevant experience...blah...required for this senior role"]

irumudikkilli · 02-05-2019 8:42am

Josey Wales wrote: »

That's an odd comment.

I didn't pick Dublin, but other regions like Cork, Laoise etc., so the age of Revenue IT staff should not have been a metric

gmisk · 02-05-2019 10:09am

Just a quick question I see in the message from public jobs the below.
Does everyone have these? I really dont think I do....will be a scramble to get them before interview tbh.

original and copy of any qualification which is listed as an essential requirement for the position (Please see information booklet for further details).

TaurenDruid · 02-05-2019 11:22am

gmisk wrote: »

Just a quick question I see in the message from public jobs the below.
Does everyone have these? I really dont think I do....will be a scramble to get them before interview tbh.

original and copy of any qualification which is listed as an essential requirement for the position (Please see information booklet for further details).

In my case it'll mean contacting a uni for a copy of a degree from 20-something years ago. One of my private sector qualifications will be a real pain in the ass to get a copy of, too.

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 02-05-2019 8:45pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

In my case it'll mean contacting a uni for a copy of a degree from 20-something years ago. One of my private sector qualifications will be a real pain in the ass to get a copy of, too.

Speaking as someone on the reserve list , it does sound like a lot of hassle , probably best to leave it ;-)

runawaybishop · 06-05-2019 3:50pm

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

Same here . Wondering how many they are interviewing . Im surprised not to be shortlisted . Am a manager in a CS IT Dept already with 18 years in ICT and Mgmt degree ... Was panelled for other open AP comp which I was using as practice for this one !!!

Only interviewing one in six out of 200 that applied.

Josey Wales · 06-05-2019 8:03pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Only interviewing one in six out of 200 that applied.

So interviewing that few people? Just gives us all a position and forego the interview

Max Mustermann · 06-05-2019 8:14pm

That would be very few. Has anyone been interviewed yet? I know they are running until at least 23rd May according to the note from PAS on the venue change. Is anyone on later than that?

Josey Wales · 06-05-2019 8:19pm

Max Mustermann wrote: »

That would be very few. Has anyone been interviewed yet? I know they are running until at least 23rd May according to the note from PAS on the venue change. Is anyone on later than that?

I know someone on the 28th getting interviewed.

trigger26 · 06-05-2019 9:19pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

I know someone on the 28th getting interviewed.

Are they an existing heo/ap?

Josey Wales · 07-05-2019 10:02am

trigger26 wrote: »

Are they an existing heo/ap?

An AO.

TaurenDruid · 13-05-2019 10:49am

Any feedback on the interviews for the ICT AP panels? Do they just go off your application form or do they bring in the full AP competency set?

floyd333 · 19-05-2019 9:23pm

Hi Folks,

Has anyone heard how the interviews are going? What questions are they asking?

gmisk · 19-05-2019 9:26pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Any feedback on the interviews for the ICT AP panels? Do they just go off your application form or do they bring in the full AP competency set?

Mine concentrated on the 4 competencies listed on the summary of the interview panel.

gmisk · 28-05-2019 4:53pm

Anyone any idea when these interviews are due to finish up?
I wonder when we are likely to hear results?

Josey Wales · 28-05-2019 9:23pm

gmisk wrote: »

Anyone any idea when these interviews are due to finish up?
I wonder when we are likely to hear results?

For some reason I have it in my head we will hear this Friday afternoon. No real reason, so doubtless I'll be left disappointed.

gmisk · 07-06-2019 2:46pm

Results for this are out.....I got onto panel....but looks like only one job atm....

Josey Wales · 07-06-2019 2:54pm

gmisk wrote: »

Results for this are out.....I got onto panel....but looks like only one job atm....

Is there a panel? Didn't mention one in the mail.

gmisk · 07-06-2019 2:56pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

Is there a panel? Didn't mention one in the mail.

Your right...just order of merit

So all that and no job, unless you number 1?

Josey Wales · 07-06-2019 3:01pm

gmisk wrote: »

Your right...just order of merit
So all that and no job, unless you number 1?

I checked and there is a panel.

gmisk · 07-06-2019 3:24pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

I checked and there is a panel.

ah so I didnt make the panel.....but made the order of merit?
How does that work?

Josey Wales · 07-06-2019 3:39pm

gmisk wrote: »

ah so I didnt make the panel.....but made the order of merit?
How does that work?

No, you did. PAS confirmed that the order of merit is the panel. The mail is a little confusing.

I should be happier about passing but the way it was phrased made it sound like one job and that's that.

gmisk · 07-06-2019 3:44pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

No, you did. PAS confirmed that the order of merit is the panel. The mail is a little confusing.

I should be happier about passing but the way it was phrased made it sound like one job and that's that.

Ah get you!
Brill that's good news...oh and congrats!

TaurenDruid · 07-06-2019 3:55pm

No mail for me, so I'm assuming that's bad news if the only people who've heard anything so far did get on the panel.

Congrats, folks!

gmisk · 07-06-2019 3:56pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No mail for me, so I'm assuming that's bad news if the only people who've heard anything so far did get on the panel.

Congrats, folks!

Not necessarily I know of someone else who didn't get onto order of merit but got message

Max Mustermann · 07-06-2019 7:09pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No mail for me, so I'm assuming that's bad news if the only people who've heard anything so far did get on the panel.

Congrats, folks!

Didn't make it myself but congrats to all who did and good luck if you're still waiting for the message.

floyd333 · 07-06-2019 8:32pm

I was placed in the mid teens. Doubt the panel will reach that far.

Josey Wales · 07-06-2019 9:09pm

floyd333 wrote: »

I was placed in the mid teens. Doubt the panel will reach that far.

I was kind of thinking that myself.

I think I'm just disappointed that there was only 1 vacancy. Can't believe all the effort to fill one spot.

floyd333 · 07-06-2019 9:31pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

I was kind of thinking that myself.

I think I'm just disappointed that there was only 1 vacancy. Can't believe all the effort to fill one spot.

Yeah I thought there would be a number of positions.

07-06-2019 9:35pm

talk of only one vacancy and this panel not getting to mid teens is hugely premature folks

well done to all who placed and commiserations to the others

TaurenDruid · 18-06-2019 4:38pm

Service Delivery stream results are out. "I regret to inform you..." :-(

gmisk · 18-06-2019 10:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

talk of only one vacancy and this panel not getting to mid teens is hugely premature folks

well done to all who placed and commiserations to the others

I got an email to say it is a panel.
Will be in operation for 18-24 months.
I got in single digits so really happy with that fingers crossed.

18-06-2019 11:33pm

gmisk wrote: »

I got an email to say it is a panel.
Will be in operation for 18-24 months.
I got in single digits so really happy with that fingers crossed.

great result for you, well done

gmisk · 19-06-2019 9:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

great result for you, well done

Ah thanks for that, fingers crossed

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 27-06-2019 11:51pm

I see from Publicjobs that the pensions authority are looking for an IT Infrastructure Manager at AP level . Any idea why they wouldn't be taking from the current panel of ICT Managers ?

TaurenDruid · 28-06-2019 2:54pm

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

I see from Publicjobs that the pensions authority are looking for an IT Infrastructure Manager at AP level . Any idea why they wouldn't be taking from the current panel of ICT Managers ?

I wondered that myself. Panel is there now and ready to be drawn from. Possibly they applied to DPER ages ago for permission to hire one, prior to the panel being in place, and only got their permission now.

A couple of the competencies seem slightly different to the usual civil service ones, but it's only minor.

Weighing up whether I can be bothered filling in yet another non-standard application form and spending an afternoon copying and pasting...

galwaygirl1 · 28-06-2019 5:15pm

Any signs of this panel starting to move before I consider the dreaded form again?

TaurenDruid · 28-06-2019 5:36pm

Just downloaded the form.

Jebus.

"Provide below, in date order (starting with your current/most recent employer first), full details of all employment experience between the date of leaving school or college and the present date. No period between these dates should be left unaccounted for (exact dates to be given). Insert additional rows if necessary."

Remember, this is an AP - IT Manager post. So you're looking at an absolute bare minimum of 10 years' experience, and for most applicants over 20 years? But yeah, let them know about that 2 months you spend on a FÁS course and the 6 weeks you worked in your uncle's shop back in the 90s, because that's really relevant!

It gets better:

"Brief description of duties"

Totally fair to ask for a description of duties for my IT jobs - even a detailed description. But, like - "did admin work processing invoices in Civil Service Department X", "sold petrol, confectionary and assorted groceries", "learned telephone technique skills from FÁS instructor by holding banana to head and pretending it was a phone" - seriously?!

runawaybishop · 28-06-2019 6:00pm

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

I see from Publicjobs that the pensions authority are looking for an IT Infrastructure Manager at AP level . Any idea why they wouldn't be taking from the current panel of ICT Managers ?

This panel is only for revenue, agriculture and social protection I think.

C.O.Y.B.I.B · 28-06-2019 6:33pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

This panel is only for revenue, agriculture and social protection I think.

Might explain the slow movement ...

runawaybishop · 29-06-2019 11:03am

C.O.Y.B.I.B wrote: »

Might explain the slow movement ...

There was an internal panel also so I would imagine they were used as they were ready first.

gmisk · 02-07-2019 3:21pm

Sooooo....it looks like this was a panel.....as I just got an email about gardai vetting etc.....

gmisk · 02-07-2019 3:23pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

This panel is only for revenue, agriculture and social protection I think.

The email wasnt RE a role in any of these departments.....

Josey Wales · 02-07-2019 3:28pm

gmisk wrote: »

Sooooo....it looks like this was a panel.....as I just got an email about gardai vetting etc.....

Can you say roughly where you are on the panel? Top 10? Top 15?

gmisk wrote: »

The email wasnt RE a role in any of these departments.....

I heard that a couple of other departments are going to be pulling from the list. But you never know what to believe.

gmisk · 02-07-2019 3:34pm

Josey Wales wrote: »

Can you say roughly where you are on the panel? Top 10? Top 15?

I heard that a couple of other departments are going to be pulling from the list. But you never know what to believe.

Top 10 (single figures).
I am pretty shocked....I need to decide if I want to work there I guess or hold off for the general AP panel, it isnt great location wise for me.

Josey Wales · 02-07-2019 4:03pm

gmisk wrote: »

Top 10 (single figures).
I am pretty shocked....I need to decide if I want to work there I guess or hold off for the general AP panel, it isnt great location wise for me.

Well good to hear the panel is moving anyway.

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