Going for walks in hi vis jackets

realdanbreen

debok wrote: »

Can't believe someone started a thread giving out about hi Vis. Jesus everyone has to give out or have an opinion on all sorts of bull**** now . Giving out about someone wearing a bright coloured top. Like it's just a top that's a different colour.

Yeah but look at what we have discovered as a result of the thread. Some folk believe that when you come to a pedestrian crossing you don't have to wait for the traffic to stop before crossing!

_Brian

blue note wrote: »

What's the story with this? I sent for a run last night. I was almost entirely in black and I didn't realise that until I started looking at the people I was running past. There were a decent few walkers wearing hi vis jackets. They were going for a walk, putting on their running gear, and then throwing on a hi vis vest. Then they're walking around a town, with footpaths and streetlights on every road.

I just wonder why? I drive and have never said thank you to someone in my head for wearing a high vis vest on a footpath. I wasn't going to drive there anyway.

It's obviously very different if you're in an area without streetlights or footpaths.

Only inconsiderate morons don’t throw on a vis vest going out walking or running in dusk or dark conditions. You have to cross the street, lighting isn’t always perfect, people like to go for longer walks which include poorly lit areas.

Deebles McBeebles

realdanbreen wrote: »

Yeah but look at what we have discovered as a result of the thread. Some folk believe that when you come to a pedestrian crossing you don't have to wait for the traffic to stop before crossing!

Where was that said Dan?

blue note

meeeeh wrote: »

Some here actually take it as personal slight that anyone would wear hi vis. It doesn't affect you so why the outrage. But I know I'm much better seen on a narrow enough road in the dark. Yes if someone hit me it would be their fault but it would be me who would be hurt.

Outrage? The only outrage I've seen here is at the mention of people walking on roads without footpaths or without footpaths and lights and not wearing high vis vests. And everyone agrees they should wear them.

It's more a general curiosity as to why people throw them on to walk around a town with footpaths and streetlights. Some people seem to passionately think anyone walking anywhere at night should be wearing one. I think the term "inconsiderate morons" was used a couple of posts up. I dunno, I went out for dinner a few days ago. Maybe I should have thrown on the high vis vest for when I left the restaurant as it was dark at that stage and I had a bit of a walk. And maybe in the future if people are sensible when the nightclubs close and people empty into burger King and supermacs we can hope to see everyone in luminous vests.

meeeeh

blue note wrote: »

Outrage? The only outrage I've seen here is at the mention of people walking on roads without footpaths or without footpaths and lights and not wearing high vis vests. And everyone agrees they should wear them.

It's more a general curiosity as to why people throw them on to walk around a town with footpaths and streetlights. Some people seem to passionately think anyone walking anywhere at night should be wearing one. I think the term "inconsiderate morons" was used a couple of posts up. I dunno, I went out for dinner a few days ago. Maybe I should have thrown on the high vis vest for when I left the restaurant as it was dark at that stage and I had a bit of a walk. And maybe in the future if people are sensible when the nightclubs close and people empty into burger King and supermacs we can hope to see everyone in luminous vests.

That's just nonsense exaggeration. However I bet you that those who walk drunk home from a pub on dark roads with no street lights are among most vulnerable pedestrians.

malinheader

blue note wrote: »

Outrage? The only outrage I've seen here is at the mention of people walking on roads without footpaths or without footpaths and lights and not wearing high vis vests. And everyone agrees they should wear them.

It's more a general curiosity as to why people throw them on to walk around a town with footpaths and streetlights. Some people seem to passionately think anyone walking anywhere at night should be wearing one. I think the term "inconsiderate morons" was used a couple of posts up. I dunno, I went out for dinner a few days ago. Maybe I should have thrown on the high vis vest for when I left the restaurant as it was dark at that stage and I had a bit of a walk. And maybe in the future if people are sensible when the nightclubs close and people empty into burger King and supermacs we can hope to see everyone in luminous vests.

Use your common sense. If you don't know where or when the use of a high vis will be of benefit perhaps some should stay in the house. If you want to wear a hi vis to wash your windows in broad daylight it's that persons own decision.

TheRiverman

blue note wrote: »

What's the story with this? I sent for a run last night. I was almost entirely in black and I didn't realise that until I started looking at the people I was running past. There were a decent few walkers wearing hi vis jackets. They were going for a walk, putting on their running gear, and then throwing on a hi vis vest. Then they're walking around a town, with footpaths and streetlights on every road.

I just wonder why? I drive and have never said thank you to someone in my head for wearing a high vis vest on a footpath. I wasn't going to drive there anyway.

It's obviously very different if you're in an area without streetlights or footpaths.

One of the cheapest,lightest and safest pieces of clothing you will ever wear.

blue note

meeeeh wrote: »

That's just nonsense exaggeration. However I bet you that those who walk drunk home from a pub on dark roads with no street lights are among most vulnerable pedestrians.

Is it nonsense exaggeration though? I rather walk home from a restaurant if possible. It will usually be dark, I'll have to cross roads, I'll probably have had some wine. Obviously it's not actually advisable that I wear a high vis jacket. Because it's not necessary and I'd just look odd for no reason. For the town walkers though - some people seem to think it's very worthwhile for them to wear high vis vests even if sticking on the footpaths and in lit areas. As far as I can see it's the same level of danger, so I don't see the difference to be honest.

As regards how outraged I am by it - it's probably similar to how outraged I am when I see someone wearing a wooly hat on a hot summers day. As in not outraged at all, but I notice then because I think it's odd.

odyssey06

TheRiverman wrote: »

One of the cheapest,lightest and safest pieces of clothing you will ever wear.

And some of them have surprisingly good water resistance, or at least run off.

odyssey06

blue note wrote: »

Is it nonsense exaggeration though? I rather walk home from a restaurant if possible. It will usually be dark, I'll have to cross roads, I'll probably have had some wine. Obviously it's not actually advisable that I wear a high vis jacket. Because it's not necessary and I'd just look odd for no reason. For the town walkers though - some people seem to think it's very worthwhile for them to wear high vis vests even if sticking on the footpaths and in lit areas. As far as I can see it's the same level of danger, so I don't see the difference to be honest.
As regards how outraged I am by it - it's probably similar to how outraged I am when I see someone wearing a wooly hat on a hot summers day. As in not
outraged at all, but I notice then because I think it's odd.

Not as odd as you'll look if cos of the drink or some other distraction you don't see a car, step out and it hits you, as the driver hadn't seen you because it's a wet night and you're on a tree lined avenue or it's chucking down and you have a dark jacket and blue jeans on.

Yes you shouldn't need it. But there is a level of danger and there's a small number of scenarios of visibility combined with driver \ pedestrian inattention \ interaction where being more visible, or rather less invisible, could make all the difference. These scenarios tend to cluster around rush hour traffic, dusk \ dawn and poor weather.

Doesn't even need to be hivis. Just carrying a striped umbrella or a brightly coloured shopping bag would make you stand out more.

Chips Lovell

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Sighs.

Shakes head.

Closes thread.

Ush1

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

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The important thing is you got your high horse comment in.:)

Chips Lovell

And that's all that matters.

kingtut

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07Lapierre

retro:electro wrote: »

I’ve had many near misses on rural roads where you’d nearly be on top of the person walking before you see them. Our local school (rural) has asked that all parents wear hi vis jackets while dropping kids to and from school. You might think you can be seen but you can never underestimate how difficult it can be see someone out walking and you can never be too safe.

Tip: Slow down!

Stephen15

It seems a bit ott to me in a well lit urban area with footpaths and streetlights

AndrewJRenko

blue note wrote: »

What's the story with this? I sent for a run last night. I was almost entirely in black and I didn't realise that until I started looking at the people I was running past. There were a decent few walkers wearing hi vis jackets. They were going for a walk, putting on their running gear, and then throwing on a hi vis vest. Then they're walking around a town, with footpaths and streetlights on every road.

I just wonder why? I drive and have never said thank you to someone in my head for wearing a high vis vest on a footpath. I wasn't going to drive there anyway.

It's obviously very different if you're in an area without streetlights or footpaths.

Here's a suburban Men's Shed group, who've been kitted out by Get Ireland Walking - it's just bizarre.

https://www.facebook.com/McLoughlinSeanNo1/photos/a.1214764101969651/1948771551902232/?type=3&theater


It's a complete transference of responsibility from motorists onto vulnerable road users. When all cars have hi-vis stripes on all sides, to cover the scenarios where the idiot drivers don't switch on their lights or don't know how to operate their DRLs, that's the day I'll listen to drivers demands for all pedestrians to wear hi-vis.

NIMAN wrote: »

The amount of cyclists doing the same is also incredible. They seem to favour dark colours from what I've noticed. It might be bright when they leave the house, but its often getting dark when they are still out.

Many don't often switch on their lights either when they should be.

If you can't see a lit cyclist without requiring them to wear special industrial clothing, it's time to hand over the keys to a competent driver.

bobbyss

I wear this jacket when walking as it just makes me feel safer as I can be seen more easily. It has become second nature. Just like putting on seat belt. I would feel something is wrong if I didn't.

AndrewJRenko

retro:electro wrote: »

Our local school (rural) has asked that all parents wear hi vis jackets while dropping kids to and from school.

One of the primary schools in Harolds Cross tells the parents who walk and cycle that they must wear hi-vis, while those who drive are just fine and dandy.

ImARebel

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Here's a suburban Men's Shed group, who've been kitted out by Get Ireland Walking - it's just bizarre.

https://www.facebook.com/McLoughlinSeanNo1/photos/a.1214764101969651/1948771551902232/?type=3&theater


It's a complete transference of responsibility from motorists onto vulnerable road users. When all cars have hi-vis stripes on all sides, to cover the scenarios where the idiot drivers don't switch on their lights or don't know how to operate their DRLs, that's the day I'll listen to drivers demands for all pedestrians to wear hi-vis.


If you can't see a lit cyclist without requiring them to wear special industrial clothing, it's time to hand over the keys to a competent driver.

And what about the unlit guy that dresses in black and cycles on the footpath? He nearly ended up across my bumper as I pulled out of my estate. Had I hit him, as he's regarded as a vulnerable road user I'd have been blamed.

If he'd worn a high viz I'd at least have had a fighting chance of seeing him a bit better

I fully agree with be safe be seen

malinheader

ImARebel wrote: »

And what about the unlit guy that dresses in black and cycles on the footpath? He nearly ended up across my bumper as I pulled out of my estate. Had I hit him, as he's regarded as a vulnerable road user I'd have been blamed.

If he'd worn a high viz I'd at least have had a fighting chance of seeing him a bit better

I fully agree with be safe be seen

Nah. He be grand once he got his big compo claim.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

flatface wrote: »

How do you get to and from your car without walking? Do you take your vest off in the car?

Good lord.

Some people will argue about anything, won’t they?

I grew up in a rural area. At twilight, night and sunrise, reflective strips were always helpful in spotting people who were out walking. We nearly hit a few pedestrians down the years through only seeing them at the last minute when they weren’t wearing reflective strips or didn’t have torches. And I was usually with my father who never speeds when driving. I cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with people wearing reflective strips. And why they are so insistent that they are useless.

Many walks, runs and cycles take in both well-lit and poorly-lit roads.

AndrewJRenko

ImARebel wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Here's a suburban Men's Shed group, who've been kitted out by Get Ireland Walking - it's just bizarre.

https://www.facebook.com/McLoughlinSeanNo1/photos/a.1214764101969651/1948771551902232/?type=3&theater


It's a complete transference of responsibility from motorists onto vulnerable road users. When all cars have hi-vis stripes on all sides, to cover the scenarios where the idiot drivers don't switch on their lights or don't know how to operate their DRLs, that's the day I'll listen to drivers demands for all pedestrians to wear hi-vis.


If you can't see a lit cyclist without requiring them to wear special industrial clothing, it's time to hand over the keys to a competent driver.

And what about the unlit guy that dresses in black and cycles on the footpath? He nearly ended up across my bumper as I pulled out of my estate. Had I hit him, as he's regarded as a vulnerable road user I'd have been blamed.

If he'd worn a high viz I'd at least have had a fighting chance of seeing him a bit better

I fully agree with be safe be seen

What about him? He should have lights and he shouldn't be cycling on the footpad, but if you're looking out for pedestrians crossing, you'll have no problem seeing him.

And if you do kill him, don't worry about it - there's probably no sanction for you. Don't worry about your legal obligation to drive in a manner that allows you to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. Victim blaming is alive and well.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-who-killed-hero-father-wont-face-court-37224880.html
TW, what colour is your car? At least if it was yellow or white with hi-vis stripes all round, he'd have seen you and stopped.

malinheader

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What about him? He should have lights and he shouldn't be cycling on the footpad, but if you're looking out for pedestrians crossing, you'll have no problem seeing him.

And if you do kill him, don't worry about it - there's probably no sanction for you. Don't worry about your legal obligation to drive in a manner that allows you to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. Victim blaming is alive and well.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-who-killed-hero-father-wont-face-court-37224880.html
TW, what colour is your car? At least if it was yellow or white with hi-vis stripes all round, he'd have seen you and stopped.

So what you're trying to say Is it's not because he could not be seen its because the car was not hi vis enough.

Hurrache

So what I gather from this thread is that lots of people have seen people wearing dark clothing at night and safely managed to avoid them.

malinheader

Yes but if your unfortunate to hit someone you couldn't see you should of been looking better.

Hurrache

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Where I live it goes from well lit path, to pitch dark windy road, several times.

I have had several minor and one major scare, where I've come around a bend and there's a person on the side of the road (often on the wrong side).

If they were painted high vis it would have made no difference, unless you had the ability to see around corners.

Hurrache

malinheader wrote: »

Yes but if your unfortunate to hit someone you couldn't see you should of been looking better.

Well personally I stick a bit of extra gel in the hair when I go out at night so I like to think I can't look much better than I already do.

ImARebel

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What about him? He should have lights and he shouldn't be cycling on the footpad, but if you're looking out for pedestrians crossing, you'll have no problem seeing him.

And if you do kill him, don't worry about it - there's probably no sanction for you. Don't worry about your legal obligation to drive in a manner that allows you to stop within the distance you can see to be clear. Victim blaming is alive and well.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-who-killed-hero-father-wont-face-court-37224880.html
TW, what colour is your car? At least if it was yellow or white with hi-vis stripes all round, he'd have seen you and stopped.

i was looking out for pedestrians and as I said before the lighting is very bad at the entrance to our estate so I do go very carefully (hence the reason I managed to avoid hitting him) but he was flying along dressed in black

Just in case you're wondering about how I drive this is how it went:

I looked to my right saw no one so registered "safe to move"
looked to my left "still safe to move"
looked back again to my right and there he was inches from by bonnet, he was zipping down the road.

So how you can compare him to a pedestrian or even a jogger is beyond me. It's a big long straight road, had he been wearing high viz or even a light I'd have seen him at first glance to my right

and you're the one victim blaming as I'd have been the victim in this case, not the pleb on the bike...

I still don't get people's aversions to someone wearing a high viz, as a driver I very much appreciate it especially on a rainy winter's night

My daughter cycles to school in the morning and yes it's daylight but I still don't let her out the door without a high viz on.

as the ad says "be safe be seen" and I fully support it

corks finest

Kinda silly question