ESB eCars

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652145#Comment_122652145

Is that not a net profit of 11.4c/kWh on the last line or have I missed something?

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122652230#Comment_122652230

This ?

That is 11.4M loses. In accounting they don't use "minus" they use brackets when speak about negative values. So the net profit for 2024 is -11.4M. In the top left corner there is a legend telling that figures are in million EUR.

zg3409

ESB charger removed, was broken for a few months.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/23018

mfceiling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122659077#Comment_122659077

Noticed that last week. My parents live nearby and I always used that charger. Was never busy and always seemed super reliable.

zg3409

https://www.plugshare.com/location/77677

This thread was broken for a while, anyway an old AC site looks like it's being upgraded to DC CCS in Newry.

zg3409

https://www.plugshare.com/location/471067

Not yet live but been there a while. Two physical units I think, mostly CCS but one has ChaDeMo. The nearby old site is giving trouble and ChaDeMo is not working there. For now avoid macroom with your leaf.

zg3409

I wonder if the power cut is the on site competitor getting their own chargers hooked up? 10 x CCS etc

https://www.plugshare.com/location/628207

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122877542#Comment_122877542

That would be nice, as far as I can tell all the chargers are waiting on is power, all the installation work seemed to have been done as of a few weeks ago

EDIT: Just to add, expect those chargers to be ICED a lot. I've noticed a bunch of vans and cars parking there, parking over the other side of the station is often jammers around lunch and dinner times

Brian_dub_

had an absolute pain in the behind at an Esb charger this weekend. On the way back from Sligo, wasn’t going to make it to Enfield supercharger so saw on the ecar app that both spots were free in carrick. Pull up and there’s one hybrid charging from the type 2 on the 50kw charger which locks out using the ccs charger and someone just pulled into the 150kw one. After chatting to them they had just gotten their car and were charging to 100%.
when the guy with the hybrid got back it finally unlocked the ccs only for someone else to park up to use the type 2 cutting my charge down to 36kw. Checked the app and the first person using the type 2 had been using it for over 2 hours to charge a hybrid. Surely he would have been charged an overstay fee?

Does anyone else think hybrids should be locked out from using the fast and high speed chargers?

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122986882#Comment_122986882

Eh so, it's complicated…

The politically correct answer here is: Nooo, these are our brethren and should be supported with the same availability of chargers.

The EV driver's populist answer is: Out of my way and get thee to a windmill and hog air-induced electrons instead, ye faux-greens.

The realists' answer is: The ESB is still a long way off understanding the reality.

Flinty997

I can't see how you'd police it.

If a charger it sitting empty why can't can't someone use it. Perhaps there's argument once it falls below 7kw you get cut off, and have to move to an AC charger.

A high speed hub would be helpful between Mullingar and Silgo, or Silgo itself.

The number of PHEVs are increasingly. Perhaps educating the PHEV users that it's more expensive than petrol. That said many don't care about the cost.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122986882#Comment_122986882

Most high speed chargers there's days don't have the type 2 socket anymore and most PVEVs don't support CCS charging so that problem is slowly fixing itself

To answer your question, yes he was charged the full whack on overstay charges

kanuseeme

Overstay fee applies after 10 hours on 22kw sockets.

More phevs have CCS now , Tiguan, seal dmi, mercs,

Sales of phevs are up 20% this year

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122987459#Comment_122987459

New VAG with the 1.5 engine also.

Flinty997

At my local SC I see PHEVs on the 7kw chargers a lot. I assume it's for the convenience of the parking near the door. For me getting a cable out is more inconvenient and takes longer than just parking a row or two over and walking a 100m.

I suspect they just don't realise it makes no sense.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122987722#Comment_122987722

Maybe they think they’re saving Polar Bears ?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122986882#Comment_122986882

The solution is to build better charging hubs. Stop putting a 50kW and 150kW unit together and calling it a high powered hub

It isn't even a hub, it's a fast charger and a mid strength charger beside each other

Mixing charging speeds is just asking for trouble, 4x 150kW chargers would have fixed that problem permanently. Banks of 50kW and AC chargers are also useful but not when co-located with other types of chargers, then this crap starts happening

There really also needs to be a real time price display on the charger, most of them don't seem to have this. If it flashed a warning up at 45 mins and another line saying "overstay fee" started ticking up every minute then drivers would very quickly get the idea and move on

After that, if someone wants to spend 2 hours charging and handing money to Ecars then there's not much anyone can do about it

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122987722#Comment_122987722

I wonder if they do the trick of plugging in and not charging, get the good parking without paying anything. I've seen that a few times at my local shopping center

MojoMaker

Yep, that's definitely a thing.

JohnC.

Regarding the overstay fee, is there a minimum time you must leave between charges on the same charger? I know some networks do this. I saw a woman end her charge before it kicked in, but then immediately start another charge.

Though I imagine using different pay methods could defeat that too. Like using the app for one charge and tap a card for another. It won't know it's the same car or user.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122989265#Comment_122989265

You have to be at the car for that though I'm assuming. So someone doing that genuinely wants to charge. They haven't walked off and left the car for hours. Perhaps it's the same difference.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122989265#Comment_122989265

I do not believe there is a minimum time, and many have restarted using same app without penalty. There was a mention those taking the pi55 may be identified and penalised, in some ways if no one is waiting and modern EVs with large batteries may need 60+ minutes to get to 80% and many don't want to move on in case the next unit down the road is busy, blocked or broken, but I expect no one has every been barred from eCars, you could even argue it's like preventing a diesel car from refilling at most public petrol stations, a ban could be impossible. They don't have a clearly defined fee, maybe just apply overstay retrospectively manually but it's hardly a big deterrent. Certain users such as main dealers routinely overstayed in the past.

PCDub

First time charging my new to me i3 this morning. Used ecars ccs charger at local Tesco. All going well until trying to stop charging at 80% but charger decided it wouldn't stop and screen went blank so couldn't see any status info. Had to call CS and they managed to stop charge saying the charger was displaying an error. Car charged to 92% by time I got through to CS. Not the best experience especially as first time charging the car.

Flinty997

They are all a bit finicky.

Used a circle K earlier and it wouldn't let me tap to start charging. So I inserted the cc. Charged fine but insisted I needed to tap to verify ending charge. Wouldn't accept inserting the cc to end. Eventually it stopped, perhaps a tap registered.

It's not unusual at other chargers to have to lock and unlock the car a few times to end the charging.

They are getting more reliable in the year+ I've been using them. Rarely use public chargers.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122995762#Comment_122995762

Can you not stop the charge in the car? On the ID3 I used to have you could tap the screen and on my Ioniqs you can slide the charge to % bar below your current % and the charge will stop.

PCDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122995881#Comment_122995881

No apparently not, think the i3 software is a bit old school. I did do some googling for about 5 mins before resorting to calling CS and then had to wait through a few mins of pre recorded messages about their website and downloading the app b#ll@x, all the while the car keeps charging and I'm paying for a call and wasting time.

MarkN

no big red button on the charger no?

PCDub

Probably but wasn't aware of that button, first time charging, but have read about it now. Seems a bit drastic to expect customers to use a cutoff switch but suppose it is what it is.

Wasn't great either that the screen had failed so couldn't see any info, like charge speed etc

tlaavtech

I had the same thing in Dundrum a few weeks ago in my i3. There was no way of stopping the charge on the charger, so I couldn't release the charge cable. Eventually I remembered that I could change the charge mode for the car. I switched it to "Charge in time slot" and that did the trick!

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122996075#Comment_122996075

That will kill anyone else connected which is a bit anti social but I guess if nothing else works or no one else connected it's reasonable. Dunno if the charger comes back online though..