The Ted Bundy Tapes (Netflix)

shamrock55

Bundy thing was good, some new footage but nothing I didn't know about already, a fascinating character though

Drumpot

shamrock55 wrote: »

Bundy thing was good, some new footage but nothing I didn't know about already, a fascinating character though

I watched it today, was compelling viewing.... He was remarkable alright.
Frighteningly remarkable.

It’s funny because I’d be sort of on the fence about the death penalty but felt uncomfortable watching people cheer and celebrate his punishment...

Gadgetman496

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The Ted bundy documentary is four episodes of which I've just watched the first one. It's very well done and lots of archive footage in ep 1 which sets the scene of how it was reported at the time.

Is that the one called "Conversations with a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes"?

Noodles81

Drumpot wrote: »

I watched it today, was compelling viewing.... He was remarkable alright.
Frighteningly remarkable.

It’s funny because I’d be sort of on the fence about the death penalty but felt uncomfortable watching people cheer and celebrate his punishment...

He was frighteningly remarkable and you were uncomfortable about his death? The only thing I ever found remarkable was how other women idolised him, even when he was on death row. They couldn't see how he would have murdered them too if he got the chance, they just saw an attractive face.

I haven't watched this but that's interesting what you took from it. He butchered young women like it was going out of fashion and used his sociopathy to try and get away with it.

Having read Anne Rule's book about him and watched A Deliberate Stranger back in the day, I found nothing remarkable about him or his death. He got only what he deserved.

Mellor

Noodles81 wrote: »

Having read Anne Rule's book about him and watched A Deliberate Stranger back in the day, I found nothing remarkable about him or his death. He got only what he deserved.

Hmmm, it's the very fact that he was remarkable that there are books and films (like A Deliberate Stranger) made about him. Remarkable isn't necessarily a positive description.
The fact we're even discussing him, is kinda self-fulfilling.

As for getting what he deserved. He absolutely deserved to be punished to the full extent of the law. The general consensus is that decent people opposes the death penalty today, but I don't think we should be retrospectively applying contemporary morality to the 1980s.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ireland had its last capital punishment carried out in 1954. The morality in the 80s was similar to now.

Noodles81

Mellor wrote: »

Hmmm, it's the very fact that he was remarkable that there are books and films (like A Deliberate Stranger) made about him. Remarkable isn't necessarily a positive description.
The fact we're even discussing him, is kinda self-fulfilling.

As for getting what he deserved. He absolutely deserved to be punished to the full extent of the law. The general consensus is that decent people opposes the death penalty today, but I don't think we should be retrospectively applying contemporary morality to the 1980s.

Yes I understand, I suppose remarkable sounded like admiration to me. Yes he is fascinating in a morbid sense. My parents told me about him so I knew what "strangers" could be capable of. I was very trusting back then and was so shocked at what he was capable of.

Later I read Anne Rules' book. She actually knew him and worked with him...on a suicide prevention hotline of all things.

Mellor

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Ireland had its last capital punishment carried out in 1954. The morality in the 80s was similar to now.

Bundy wasn't in Ireland though. In the US, in the 80s, capital punishment was legal. I'm sayin I don't see the point in applying contemporary morality to 80s America, any more than applying it to 1950s Ireland (when we were hanging people)

Franz Von Peppercorn

Mellor wrote: »

Bundy wasn't in Ireland though. In the US, in the 80s, capital punishment was legal. I'm sayin I don't see the point in applying contemporary morality to 80s America, and more than applying it to 1950s Ireland (when we were hanging people)

Capital punishment is legal in the US now, so your point doesn’t stand in either country.

mooseknunkle

Drumpot wrote: »

I watched it today, was compelling viewing.... He was remarkable alright.
Frighteningly remarkable.

It’s funny because I’d be sort of on the fence about the death penalty but felt uncomfortable watching people cheer and celebrate his punishment...

He murdered 30 women,beheading 6 of them and had sex with their dead bodies,a 12yr old was one of his victims,i certainly wouldn't find anything remarkable about him he got everything he deserved,if there is a hell i hope he's still rotting in it.

murpho999

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He murdered 30 women,beheading 6 of them and had sex with their dead bodies,a 12yr old was one of his victims,i certainly wouldn't find anything remarkable about him he got everything he deserved,if there is a hell i hope he's still rotting in it.

It's still not right that people were outside celebrating hs execution like it was a football match.

It's not right that governments kill people for killing people. Society should be above that. There is no such place as hell.

What has been resolved by his execution?

It would have been more useful to society to have kept him alive and studied him to help scientist and police understand serial killers better.

stop animal cruelty

Some of us haven't watched Ted Bundyyet..... Ease off with the spoilers please!?

inforfun

He dies

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

It's still not right that people were outside celebrating hs execution like it was a football match.

It's not right that governments kill people for killing people. Society should be above that. There is no such place as hell.

What has been resolved by his execution?

It would have been more useful to society to have kept him alive and studied him to help scientist and police understand serial killers better.

The parents and loved ones of the victims get some closure.

Franz Von Peppercorn

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

Some of us haven't watched Ted Bundyyet..... Ease off with the spoilers please!?

I mean it's historical but...ok

Gadgetman496

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I mean it's historical but...ok

Who's Ted Bundyyet?

Uncharted

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

Some of us haven't watched Ted Bundyyet..... Ease off with the spoilers please!?

It's ruined now,don't bother.

Watch Titanic instead.

El Duda

Ted Bundy was a ghost the whole time!

Drumpot

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He murdered 30 women,beheading 6 of them and had sex with their dead bodies,a 12yr old was one of his victims,i certainly wouldn't find anything remarkable about him he got everything he deserved,if there is a hell i hope he's still rotting in it.

There’s been an overly sensitive reaction to my post that’s also been misinterpreted. Whether it’s been misinterpreted so people can get offended or not is unclear but that seems to be a modern thing these days.

A remarkable person is not necessarily somebody doing good so dry your eyes and get off your high horse please. As people have stated the fact that people know so much about him and there’s movies and documentaries being made about him 30 years on says it all.

Incidentally, I was saying I’m not comfortable watching people celebrate the murder of even a killer. Selling t-shirts and key rings of him being fried as if it’s somebody being voted off big brother or a reality tv show! I understand the relief it gave but that blood lust response is not a civilized response to the purging of a threat.

gmisk

Whatever about this Ted Bundy doc, I havent seen it,
but the trailer for that new Ted Bundy film is bizarre!

Ilovethe bonesofyou

I just keep thinking of burger buns

batgoat

gmisk wrote: »

Whatever about this Ted Bundy doc, I havent seen it,
but the trailer for that new Ted Bundy film is bizarre!

Same person who made the documentary so I suspect the trailer is intentionally highlighting the way Bundy was almost glamourised.

fin12

It’s scary how the reporter guy said Ted had blue eyes but his eyes went black when he was describing the murders of women. Pure evil.

murpho999

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The parents and loved ones of the victims get some closure.

What closure? Poor family member is still dead and not coming back.

You don't see Irish families calling for death penalties or closure.

Glad Ireland has voted to remove it completely from our constitution.

fin12

murpho999 wrote: »

What closure? Poor family member is still dead and not coming back.

You don't see Irish families calling for death penalties or closure.

Glad Ireland has voted to remove it completely from our constitution?

You can’t speak for all victims and their families, why would u see an Irish family call for the death penalty when we don’t have it so they know asking for it is pointless.

The penalties in this country for taking someone’s life are absolutely pathetic.

murpho999

fin12 wrote: »

You can’t speak for all victims and their families, why would u see an Irish family call for the death penalty when we don’t have it so they know asking for it is pointless.

The penalties in this country for taking someone’s life are absolutely pathetic.

I'm not derailing the thread anymore after this post but even tonight on the news, the sister of the victim of this murder said that the sentence brought closure.

There is no serious group campaigning with any traction for the return of capital punishment.

I won't argue with you that sometimes sentences here are too light but feel strongly that death penalties and drunken mobs cheering it on outside prisons is not the right way either.

Franz Von Peppercorn

murpho999 wrote: »

I'm not derailing the thread anymore after this post but even tonight on the news, the sister of the victim of this murder said that the sentence brought closure.

There is no serious group campaigning with any traction for the return of capital punishment.

I won't argue with you that sometimes sentences here are too light but feel strongly that death penalties and drunken mobs cheering it on outside prisons is not the right way either.

We don’t have serial killers here. If Bundy were alive he’d probably be on those documentaries. Fetishised by some.

I wouldn’t normally support capital punishment but for serial killers it’s justified.

fin12

Was the dearth penalty just removed from the constitution or did the public get to vote on it?

murpho999

fin12 wrote: »

Was the dearth penalty just removed from the constitution or did the public get to vote on it?

It was voted on by referendum and passed by a significant majority.

shamrock55

Did the guy from married with children murder 30 women, jesus why didn't I hear about this before😨

kunst nugget

fin12 wrote: »

Was the dearth penalty just removed from the constitution or did the public get to vote on it?

You can't remove or reword anything in the Irish Constitution without a referendum.

kunst nugget

shamrock55 wrote: »

Did the guy from married with children murder 30 women, jesus why didn't I hear about this before😨

How do you think he put up with Peggy for so long?!?! When she was wrecking his buzz too much, he'd blow off a bit of steam by going out and killing some poor, unsuspecting college girl and then he'd be back to his old, curmudgeonly but hilarious ways!

fin12

kunst nugget wrote: »

You can't remove or reword anything in the Irish Constitution without a referendum.

Ya I know that now just thought the death penalty was removed a very long time ago, didn’t realise it was only in 2001 but I wasn’t old enough to vote then.

Mellor

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Capital punishment is legal in the US now, so your point doesn’t stand in either country.

Whether it's legal or not today really doesn't affect my point tbh. But FWIW, Capital punishment is currently ruled "unconstitutional" in Florida (where Bundy was convicted). And in Ireland, we were handing out death sentences up until the mid 80s (it was abolished in 1990).

I'm just saying is that there's no point arguing sentencing laws retrospectively. The judge/prosecutor were working with the options in front of them. Somebody like Bundy is always getting the max imo - whatever that is for a given time and place.

Mellor

fin12 wrote: »

Ya I know that now just thought the death penalty was removed a very long time ago, didn’t realise it was only in 2001 but I wasn’t old enough to vote then.

It was removed from statue law for all crimes in 1990. So it wasn't a possible sentence after that. The 2001 referendum was to prevent the government from bringing it back.

Telly

Any chance we can get back to Netflix?

Mantis Toboggan

Telly wrote: »

Any chance we can get back to Netflix?

Or take it to the True Crime forum.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1842

murpho999

Telly wrote: »

Any chance we can get back to Netflix?

Dead Man Walking is a good film on Netflix.:p

Tipsy McSwagger

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

Some of us haven't watched Ted Bundyyet..... Ease off with the spoilers please!?

He wasn’t a nice man.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Can we go back to talking about Ted Bundy please....

Liam McPoyle

Finished Ted Bundy last night. I was somewhat familiar with him but it was a real eye opener. If ever anyone needs an illustration of an out and out sociopath, just watch this.

Even parking the killings, his unwavering belief that he was going to get himself off the charges and his demeanour during the entire trail was incredibly disconcerting. He 100% believed he was smarter than everyone. I also loved the judge, "DONT POINT YOUR FINGER AT ME YOUNG MAN!". The words he spoke when the sentence was given were also incredible. The fact he was able to escape twice is something so unbelievable I cant get my brain around it.

Well worth a watch for those that want a glimpse into the mind of a stone cold killer.

Liam McPoyle

sugarman wrote: »

I just finished the final episode a few moments ago myself

...the biggest shock and oddly the most disconcerting element of the whole documentary was the shear number of people out celebrating his death!Drinking, singing, dancing, setting off fireworks throughout the night. You'd almost swear it was the 4th of July.

Not to be excusing Bundys atrocities, but thats not normal behavior in my books.

There were more mullets than you could count, cousin loving central.

Tilikum17

Business Cat wrote: »

Finished Ted Bundy last night. I was somewhat familiar with him but it was a real eye opener. If ever anyone needs an illustration of an out and out sociopath, just watch this.

Even parking the killings, his unwavering belief that he was going to get himself off the charges and his demeanour during the entire trail was incredibly disconcerting. He 100% believed he was smarter than everyone. I also loved the judge, "DONT POINT YOUR FINGER AT ME YOUNG MAN!". The words he spoke when the sentence was given were also incredible. The fact he was able to escape twice is something so unbelievable I cant get my brain around it.

Well worth a watch for those that want a glimpse into the mind of a stone cold killer.

Didn’t watch it & I won’t either. My auld lad was obsessed with serial killers/mass murderers. And I after him.I used to love reading about them too, morso about the detectives that caught them

This progamme is only glorify Bundy.

Imagine if your sister was one of the girls he murdered. Would you be so quick to watch it.

Mellor

Business Cat wrote: »

...his unwavering belief that he was going to get himself off the charges and his demeanour during the entire trail was incredibly disconcerting. He 100% believed he was smarter than everyone. I also loved the judge...

I doubt he actually believed he was going to get off. It was all ego. He just wanted to be in charge. He sabotaged his own defense just so he could be the one calling the shots. He could have avoided the chair if he Put his ego aside

Tilikum17 wrote: »

This progamme is only glorify Bundy.

Imagine if your sister was one of the girls he murdered. Would you be so quick to watch it.

If you haven't watched it, how do you know it's glorifying him?
I don't think that it glorifies him (I've watched it). It's pretty much a general factual overview, littered with his words. It doesn't go into too much "detail" about some aspects.

Now the upcoming movie. That will draw complaints imo.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Drumpot wrote: »

Yeh i think some of the people getting very sensitive about a documentary need to Understand not everybody thinks like them. I watch this as sort of a fascinating insight into the damage one person can do (even the fear he brought) and how easily they can get away with it. He was caught by sheer chance , escaped twice and his ego ultimately sabotaged his chances of not getting the electric Chair. The entire story is just so interesting. You don’t learn anything by taking a holier then though attitude, classifying him as evil and ignoring everything he did because some people may believe it’s celebrating Bundy in some way.. I don’t like Bundy and don’t glorify what he did and don’t see having an interest in his life as besmirching his victims in any capacity.

If anything these sort of documentaries are a great reminder of how even friendly and attractive people can deceive and be quite nasty. Paedophiles , abusers and people with less sinister but equally damaging proclivities use the exact same sort of mask that Bundy used. Like politicians!!!

I found it funny that Bundy felt being in politics was the best profession to use his mask. It’s also a good insight into how the average joe can be so shallow by judging people based on the limited time they get in their company. I said it already that the way the people

celebrated Bundy being killed

was disgusting. I can understand family members feeling some
Sense of relief or justice but the mobs at the end were pathetic.

We can learn something from that when judging how “civilized” we really are as a species. The religious eye for an eye or you are either good or evil mantra is outdated and an overly simplistic method of trying to understand the likes of Bundy.

Considering how popular the most mind numbingly retarded reality shows can be I would argue that a documentary like this is a much welcomed balance.

It’s pretty odd to worry about the morality of the mob but not Bundy.

And Bundy was evil.

Drumpot

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s pretty odd to worry about the morality of the mob but not Bundy.

And Bundy was evil.

Bundy was judged and killed for his crimes. He’s no threat to anybody anymore therefore his morality died with him. That mob mentality for vengeance is still alive and nestling nicely behind a fake veil of self righteousness.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Drumpot wrote: »

Bundy was judged and killed for his crimes. He’s no threat to anybody anymore therefore his morality died with him. That mob mentality for vengeance is still alive and nestling nicely behind a fake veil of self righteousness.

Why not continue this debate in this thread:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109313707&postcount=1

retro:electro

Watched The Ted Bundy Tapes. Absolutely cannot get over the judge saying that to him after his sentencing. Imagine how all the families of the dead girls feel listening to the judge practically rimming the man who brutally murdered your daughter. He was so ridiculous saying that.
I think Bundy’s decision to reject the plea deal was all about arrogance and he knew if he had a trial he could use the courtroom as his stage, everything was a performance. Asking to speak to the media, rocking up late, rude interjections and losing the head, none of that would be tolterated now.
Even his confession days before his death was all about attention, he knew he’d be notorious and confessing ensures he and his acts have longevity. He was still playing with the media right up until day dot by drip feeding info and having them hang on his word. I’m agaisnt the death penalty but I do see why he just needed to be erased. His crimes were the stuff of evil,

why did he have to kill the child ffs?

he never showed any remorse, only arrogance, and they couldn’t take the chance of him escaping again to go on another spree. As well as that he seemed to be revelling more and more in the attention and the fame as it all went on.

Drumpot

retro:electro wrote: »

Watched The Ted Bundy Tapes. Absolutely cannot get over the judge saying that to him after his sentencing. Imagine how all the families of the dead girls feel listening to the judge practically rimming the man who brutally murdered your daughter. He was so ridiculous saying that.

The judge was sentencing Bundy to his death surely that should be enough?! I think having compassion, even to somebody who doesn’t deserve it, is an admirable quality.. I don’t get this vengeful desire to see people revel in him being punished.

I applaud the judge for not grandstanding in a popular manner. Actually shows a bit of class unlike the sheriff who purposely dragged Bundy on front of cameras to serve his warrant. It’s similar to dragging criminals through the streets so people can throw vegetables at them.

Like I said, as a society we aren’t very good at self reflection.

pixelburp

How has this thread turned into a part time discussion on Ted Bundy? Well, I know how given there's a Netflix doc, but it's a bit jarring to keep clicking into this thread and finding more natter on a serial killer

Sandor Clegane

The Bundy documentary was interesting but nothing new, it really just serves as a platform to talk and revel in the attention, very little to know real insight into his crimes, he's incapable of telling the truth and devoid of any sort of guilt or empathy.

Everything was a well put on show with Bundy, he'll always be a fascinating subject because no one will ever really know the truth behind him or his actions, he was incapable of being truthful, the ultimate narcissist, sociopath, psychopath etc...