Catalytic converter theft

Lewis_Benson

punisher5112 wrote: »

I'd be more then happy to have a bait car and cameras in my drive....

Hooked up to a 240v supply.

markmoto

since electric cars start replacing IC engines, CAT problems will go away in a few years time.

markmoto

markmoto wrote: »

since electric cars start replacing IC engines, CAT problems will go away in a few years time.

If the criminals are allowed operate without fear of consequence they'll continue to operate. A battery pack sold on the black market or broken up for precious metals will be just as attractive to the criminals.
This is organised crime in a Country where there is little law enforcement.

Lewis_Benson

markmoto wrote: »

since electric cars start replacing IC engines, CAT problems will go away in a few years time.

Long way off yet, some of the current cars will still be on the road in 20 years.

punisher5112

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Long way off yet, some of the current cars will still be on the road in 20 years.

Well not if these roaming gang's have anything to say about it.

fryup

are turbo cars vulnerable?

magicbastarder

why wouldn't they be? they still need cats.

punisher5112

fryup wrote: »

are turbo cars vulnerable?

Any.... But they much prefer likes of hybrid Toyota, honda..... But will target anything that easily cut out.

markmoto

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Long way off yet, some of the current cars will still be on the road in 20 years.

Perhaps people scrap IC enigne cars early with diesel/petrol price & road tax dramatic increase.
in 2008 my sister bought fiesta she was over the moon with 70 euro yearly road tax. Guess what this year is 300 euro already.

Atlantic Dawn

markmoto wrote: »

Perhaps people scrap IC enigne cars early with diesel/petrol price & road tax dramatic increase.
in 2008 my sister bought fiesta she was over the moon with 70 euro yearly road tax. Guess what this year is 300 euro already.

Not in Ireland, cheapest possible in 2008 was €100 which was up to 120g/C02. Right now up to 120g/CO2 is €200.

markmoto

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Not in Ireland, cheapest possible in 2008 was €100 which was up to 120g/C02. Right now up to 120g/CO2 is €200.

The second part of 2008 introduction of co2 emission road tax.
70 or 75 euro first couple of year.
in 2021 Band B2 131 to 140g/km €280 but since she pay every 6 month just over 300.


https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/#motor-tax-rates-2021

Atlantic Dawn

markmoto wrote: »

The second part of 2008 introduction of co2 emission road tax.
70 or 75 euro first couple of year.
in 2021 Band B2 131 to 140g/km €280 but since she pay every 6 month just over 300.
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/41c9cc-motor-tax-rates/#motor-tax-rates-2021

€100 was the cheapest, there were only 7 bands, your link is from a 2019 issued document showing a reviewed tax system. If her car is 131/140 her rate would have been €150 in 2008 and the very same price now.

Original rates here...
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/pdf/co2_emissions_rates_en.pdf

RandomViewer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the criminals are allowed operate without fear of consequence they'll continue to operate. A battery pack sold on the black market or broken up for precious metals will be just as attractive to the criminals.
This is organised crime in a Country where there is little law enforcement.

The cops do their part but the courts don't
Banned Donegal driver with 339 previous convictions caught again https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04/16/banned-donegal-driver-with-339-previous-convictions-caught-again/

deadduck

RandomViewer wrote: »

The cops do their part but the courts don't
Banned Donegal driver with 339 previous convictions caught again https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04/16/banned-donegal-driver-with-339-previous-convictions-caught-again/

I’ve often wondered why cases like this don’t prompt the guards to take some sort of action (strike/blue flu/etc.) 339 previous convictions, caught bang to rights driving while pissed and without insurance (while already disqualified from driving to boot), and the judge still is still reluctant to impose a custodial sentence. Its such a waste of the police’s time and resources, and is surely demoralising too

punisher5112

RandomViewer wrote: »

The cops do their part but the courts don't
Banned Donegal driver with 339 previous convictions caught again https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04/16/banned-donegal-driver-with-339-previous-convictions-caught-again/

This tool again.... Isn't he responsible for death/s too.

punisher5112

deadduck wrote: »

I’ve often wondered why cases like this don’t prompt the guards to take some sort of action (strike/blue flu/etc.) 339 previous convictions, caught bang to rights driving while pissed and without insurance (while already disqualified from driving to boot), and the judge still is still reluctant to impose a custodial sentence. Its such a waste of the police’s time and resources, and is surely demoralising too

But sure his wife has stated she will keep him in check... Isn't that enough....

RandomViewer

deadduck wrote: »

I’ve often wondered why cases like this don’t prompt the guards to take some sort of action (strike/blue flu/etc.) 339 previous convictions, caught bang to rights driving while pissed and without insurance, and the judge still is still reluctant to impose a custodial sentence. Its such a waste of the polices time and resources, and is surely demoralising too

Nearly every week the local paper covers court cases, the same names keep popping up , that report is just an example there's plenty more or less the same, there was one last week where guy got bail even though he'd 14 previous bench warrants issued

deadduck

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nearly every week the local paper covers court cases, the same names keep popping up , that report is just an example there's plenty more or less the same, there was one last week where guy got bail even though he'd 14 previous bench warrants issued

The cynic in me says that it’s the legal system feathering it’s own nest with the recurring free legal aid costs, I can’t see who else’s interests are being served by these judges letting serial offenders like this walk free.

But that’s probably enough of that, don’t want to derail the thread completely

jmreire

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes I've heard that there's shortages of supply too so even if you have the €1k plus to replace what's stolen you could be looking at not being able to use your car for 4-6 weeks waiting for the replacement to come in.

Yes, and maybe have the replacement stolen too....manufacturers have to start changing the design to make them harder to remove, box them in by placing
a protective heavy plate around them chassis to chassis. I know that the angle grinder will cut through any plating, but it will for sure slow them down. and even dissuade them.

joeysoap

Judges were solicitors once.

RandomViewer

jmreire wrote: »

Yes, and maybe have the replacement stolen too....manufacturers have to start changing the design to make them harder to remove, box them in by placing
a protective heavy plate around them chassis to chassis. I know that the angle grinder will cut through any plating, but it will for sure slow them down. and even dissuade them.

Milwaukee battery grinder is a magical little tool, lot of heat from a Cat ,needs space to disperse, covering it won't be practical, moving it forward to the front pipe is probably the best solution

blackvalley

RandomViewer wrote: »

The cops do their part but the courts don't
Banned Donegal driver with 339 previous convictions caught again https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/04/16/banned-donegal-driver-with-339-previous-convictions-caught-again/

And there OP you have nailed the issue.
339 convictions = multiples of 339 appearances in court . Remands , delays etc ,etc .
Meanwhile our " Learned friends " in the legal system with their snouts stuck firmly in the through continue to defend the indefensible :mad:

Atlantic Dawn

blackvalley wrote: »

Meanwhile our " Learned friends " in the legal system with their snouts stuck firmly in the through continue to defend the indefensible :mad:

Free legal aid should be suspended too when you have been found guilty in 3 previous court cases you have used it for, after that you represent yourself or let your uncle who watches Matlock represent you.

jmreire

RandomViewer wrote: »

Milwaukee battery grinder is a magical little tool, lot of heat from a Cat ,needs space to disperse, covering it won't be practical, moving it forward to the front pipe is probably the best solution

Hard to beat the mini-angle grinder for sure, but there's ways to make it more difficult for the thieves. See https://heycar.co.uk/guides/best-ways-to-prevent-catalytic-converter-theft
Like theft everywhere, if they really want it, they will stop at nothing to get it, but will always take the soft option when available. And CAT theft is time critical.

RandomViewer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Free legal aid should be suspended too when you have been found guilty in 3 previous court cases you have used it for, after that you represent yourself or let your uncle who watches Matlock represent you.

Does anyone get refused legal aid?

Atlantic Dawn

RandomViewer wrote: »

Does anyone get refused legal aid?

If they had significant cash in their bank account to cover the costs they would be, it's very rare.

elperello

RandomViewer wrote: »

Does anyone get refused legal aid?

Yes they do if they are assessed as having sufficient means to pay their own legal costs.

Our free legal aid system while often abused is a quite enlightened way of providing proper representation in court for the less well off.

Prior to it's introduction the hapless poor were often victims of the court process simply because they were not properly represented.

Of course it is a given that many recipients are habitual lawbreakers.

In my opinion it is better to suffer the non deserving cases than to return to a system where people end up in court without a solicitor.

1874

elperello wrote: »

Yes they do if they are assessed as having sufficient means to pay their own legal costs.

Our free legal aid system while often abused is a quite enlightened way of providing proper representation in court for the less well off.

Prior to it's introduction the hapless poor were often victims of the court process simply because they were not properly represented.

Of course it is a given that many recipients are habitual lawbreakers.

In my opinion it is better to suffer the non deserving cases than to return to a system where people end up in court without a solicitor.

The problem with that is, most ordinary decent people could not realistically afford it, so a tax paying citizen is not entitles to legal aid.
In my opinion, if someone who welches off the State, is a habitual criminal or even someone who does not have the means and likely doesnt contribute much tax can be afforded free legal aid, then in some circumstances so should a tax paying citizen, or at least there should be some option to limit the costs.
In any case, anyone who needs to use free legal aid so much is a huge red flag and anyone with a series of offences, in particular repeat offences should be treated with a dim view and afforded no sympathy or opportunity to express regret, its just pointless.
I am a bit surprised that the Judiciary in the North are as bad, reading that the person mentioned above was caught across the border, I was hopeful he was going to have the book thrown at him, apparently not.

The Black Oil

Good result, now throw the book at them.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385309415302107139

The Black Oil

The Black Oil wrote: »

Good result, now throw the book at them.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385309415302107139

Only took the guards 5 years to track down these masterminds.