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Micky Jackson in trouble again
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Jerichoholic wrote: »No I called the guy in that video a cretin. Nobody else. What great comprehension skills you have.
Jesus Christ
Wow another angry post.
So people who have questioned the one-sidedness of the documentary are not "on the same level as an absolute cretin" ? Glad we cleared that up.
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tylercheribini wrote: »Again referring to my earlier post, to all the nay-sayers, what is the precise figure of accusers to be reached before they can be believed? What arbitrary number? I am genuinely intrigued.
(Michael's current number of accusers) + 1 0 -
The man who assaulted me was never convicted. Most of the priests who abused children were never convicted.
If your position is that you refuse to accept any assault that didn't result in a conviction didn't happen, you must be absolutely outraged on behalf of the Catholic Church.
My position is, if someone broke the law they should be punished for it.
As I quite clearly stated in the post you quoted.
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marklazarcovic wrote: »It's very easy to call them not credible when they are probably looking for money as compensation,but what else is there for them?
I said this about 30 times on the thread at this stage.
The people they are making the allegations against, very serious allegations, are still alive.
Jackson is dead, he cannot be prosecuted.0 -
My position is, if someone broke the law they should be punished for it.
As I quite clearly stated in the post you quoted.
But you also seem to be saying - and correct me if I'm wrong - that you are reluctant to believe victims unless a conviction took place.
Now we know that, for example, far more women and men seek support from the rape crisis centre after an assault than go to the gardai.
They don't report their assaults, often because a fear that they won't be believed, that people will poke holes in their credibility, call them a liar etc.
And if your position is "I only believe victims if the perpetrator was found guilty in court", you're legitimising those fears.0 -
But you also seem to be saying - and correct me if I'm wrong - that you are reluctant to believe victims unless a conviction took place.
Now we know that, for example, far more women and men seek support from the rape crisis centre after an assault than go to the gardai.
They don't report their assaults, often because a fear that they won't be believed, that people will poke holes in their credibility, call them a liar etc.
And if your position is "I only believe victims if the perpetrator was found guilty in court", you're legitimising those fears.
What I am clearly saying is if someone broke the law, they should face a penalty for this, the allegations are tested in a court of law sometimes with a Jury depending on severity of the crime.
You know the way all modern Western societies deal with alleged criminals.
Have you a better idea, what should we be doing?
Poll on Twitter?0 -
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What I am clearly saying is if someone broke the law, they should face a penalty for this, the allegations are tested in a court of law sometimes with a Jury depending on severity of the crime.
You know the way all modern Western societies deal with alleged criminals.
Have you a better idea, what should we be doing?
Poll on Twitter?
You're misunderstanding me - of course I think rapists should face trial and go to prison. I'd like to think all of us here regardless of our other differences of opinion can agree on that.
What I'm asking you to acknowledge is that many rapes of men and women are never reported, and that the fact that they were never reported (and therefore never prosecuted) doesn't make them any less real.
So this goes back to my previous point about creating an environment where it's easier for victims to come forward without fear of ridicule, being accused of being a liar, or intimidation.0 -
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What I'm asking you to acknowledge is that many rapes of men and women are never reported, and that the fact that they were never reported (and therefore never prosecuted) doesn't make them any less real.
Why are you asking me acknowledge it? Did I ever deny it?So this goes back to my previous point about creating an environment where it's easier for victims to come forward without fear of ridicule, being accused of being a liar, or intimidation.
I would never ridicule any genuine victim of any crime.0 -
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Why are you asking me acknowledge it? Did I ever deny it?
I would never ridicule any genuine victim of any crime.
Of course you wouldn't, because you're a decent human (I assume). What's in question here is who you consider a "genuine victim", and how much evidence you need to believe someone. If your bar is a criminal conviction, then you're ignoring huge numbers of people who for whatever reason did not feel strong enough to pursue that route.0 -
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