Micky Jackson in trouble again

8-10

mcmoustache wrote: »

Fair enough. That's a quirk I keep forgetting about the US - the ability of juries to talk to the media afterwards.

One of them did an "Ask-Me-Anything" on Reddit a while back. Said that there was just no evidence to support the charge.

It's madness that the 2005 case got to trial. Pure Tom Sneddon theatre

Sleeper12

8-10 wrote:

One of them did an "Ask-Me-Anything" on Reddit a while back. Said that there was just no evidence to support the charge.

6 jury members where on a TV show. I posted the YouTube video weeks ago on this thread. All 6 said they believed that the family were liars. They have started that it wasn't a reasonable doubt issue. They stated that they didn't believe the accuser or his parents. They also stated that they believed that the claims were totally money based.

I can't say if Jackson is guilty or not but I've yet to see a credible accuser. Someone not interested in money.

AllForIt

Watched the first 13 minutes of the doc. Will watch the rest when I have a chance. I knew absolutely noting about these guys in advance.

Am I right in concluding that they are both gay. They were both little diva performers as kids and both have dotting mothers, in fact both families are bizarrely similar.

Does anyone know why the producers decided to do the interviews in advance of the camera recordings and have them repeat back their 'testimony' on camera later? Perhaps it's because it gives them some leverage when it comes to editing so the doc seems like a nice piece of work rather than how a 'live' interview would come across where ppl would stumble their words and so on.

I have to say I'm really impressed with Wade's account of his experience of meeting Michael as a 5yo. You'd swear it just happened yesterday the he's able recall his feelings on the day. I don't even remember being 5. Well, maybe my previous point explains that one, who knows.

I have to say I'm quite surprised by how both mothers eyes light up when they recount how it all started off for them at the beginning. You'd think that when that the subject is matter is about a man sexually abusing their sons for years all you'd see is scowling faces but not so. They must be very strong women.

Well that's all I have from the first 13 mins, can't wait to get stuck into the rest of it. I've a funny feeling I'll be taking notes if the first 13 minutes is anything to go by haha!

Leroy42

I do find it odd that people come on to defend him. None of us know what really happened, the the weight of circumstantial evidence points to something being very different from what we would usually classify as normal.

I doubt many of his defenders would accept their kids to be placed in the same position. And everything about MJ screams an unusual fascination with young boys.

The usual defence is that he is a boy himself, but no evidence has ever been shown to back that idea up.

One must also remember just how powerful this man was. He was the biggest star in the world, was massively wealthy. Similar in some ways to the church in the respect people automatically gave him.

We have surely all learned from the multiple cases of sexual abuse in the church the power that certain people can have over others, leading to many taking years to come forward (and many probably never).

The 'in it for the money' tag is also used quite a lot, but using the same logic then it would make perfect sense for MJ, and now his estate, to pay out handsomely to protect themselves. So how many have been paid off to keep things quite.

Leroy42

Wow Allforit, that is some about of baseless accusations and barely disguised stereotyping for a person who only saw 13 minutes.

What difference does it make if they are gay?

mcmoustache

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I can't say if Jackson is guilty or not but I've yet to see a credible accuser. Someone not interested in money.

I'm in a similar position. I mentioned earlier in the thread or the other one that it was weird that any parent would allow their kids to sleep with a grown man. Even more sinister if MJ was paying them in some way.


So on one side you have parents who allow their kids to sleep with a grown man and on the other is a grown man who sleeps with children. I don't think that this is black and white, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't think there are any innocent people here.

Leroy42

What adult asks to sleep with kids? Seriously people, think about the logic you are using here.

A grown man sleeping with young boys. Substitute MJ in the story for A Priest and we wouldn't be saying the whole 'no innocent on all this' line

ceadaoin.

They aren't gay, they are both married to women and have children. Not that that has anything whatsoever to do with it

ceadaoin.

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm in a similar position. I mentioned earlier in the thread or the other one that it was weird that any parent would allow their kids to sleep with a grown man. Even more sinister if MJ was paying them in some way.


So on one side you have parents who allow their kids to sleep with a grown man and on the other is a grown man who sleeps with children. I don't think that this is black and white, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't think there are any innocent people here.

And in the middle are the several kids who alleged abuse? You know, those guys. It's not just about Jackson and the parents

mcmoustache

Leroy42 wrote: »

What adult asks to sleep with kids? Seriously people, think about the logic you are using here.

A grown man sleeping with young boys. Substitute MJ in the story for A Priest and we wouldn't be saying the whole 'no innocent on all this' line

Yeah, I can't get past this bit. I've issues with the parents but none of it changes the fact that he was sleeping with kids.

Gonad

"Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!"

Clyde Jenkins (former associate of MJ)

Sleeper12

Leroy42 wrote:

I do find it odd that people come on to defend him. None of us know what really happened, the the weight of circumstantial evidence points to something being very different from what we would usually classify as normal.

I haven't seen anyone defend Jackson stating that he's innocent. I think most are saying that the accusers aren't credible. Some posters are trying to rewrite history. Trying to say that facts brought up in court aren't real etc. It's not defending Jackson by pulling up posters literally making stuff up.

mcmoustache wrote:

I'm in a similar position. I mentioned earlier in the thread or the other one that it was weird that any parent would allow their kids to sleep with a grown man. Even more sinister if MJ was paying them in some way.

All of these kids had terrible parents. They were happy to send their kids off for sleepovers knowing the sleeping arrangements. They were willing to put their kids at risk in the hope that some of Jacksons celebrity status & fame rubbed off on them or their kids.

Leroy42 wrote:

What adult asks to sleep with kids? Seriously people, think about the logic you are using here.

What parents let their kids sleep with adults? Let them go visit for days on end?

Leroy42

Well that settles it so.

mcmoustache

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And in the middle are the several kids who alleged abuse? You know, those guys. It's not just about Jackson and the parents

I agree that it's not just about the parents and MJ. It's just that there is a legitimate issue with credibility, given that the kids had a different tune before. It doesn't change the fact that MF was sleeping with children. I personally believe that he was diddling kids in bed but I can't say that with certainty.


The only thing I know for sure was that he was sleeping with kids and normalising that with the parents, as he seems to have managed here with his supporters, and to me it makes it very unlikely that he wasn't diddling them. I'm not on the fence here but I acknowledge the unreliability of the kids' and parents' testimony.

mcmoustache

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What parents let their kids sleep with adults? Let them go visit for days on end?

It's possible to believe that the parents were terrible while at the same time believing that MJ was a pedo. In fact, it's not unheard of for parents to pimp their kids out to pedophiles.


Again, and I can't point this out enough - he was sleeping with children. That's one thing that we know for certain and there's no innocent explanation for that and no self-id of Peter Pan or Jesus changes that.

Sleeper12

mcmoustache wrote:

The only thing I know for sure was that he was sleeping with kids and normalising that with the parents, as he seems to have managed here with his supporters, and to me it makes it very unlikely that he wasn't diddling them. I'm not on the fence here but I acknowledge the unreliability of the kids' and parents' testimony.

I should point out that several of his supporters as you put have stated that they aren't Jackson fans. Personally I had no time for him or his music. My argument is that he's never been found guilty of a single crime. The jury of the last trial stated that the claimant & his family weren't believable. They stated that they believed that it was lies & they were after money. This jury heard every scrap of evidence. They were there every day. This does not mean that Jackson isn't guilty of some crime but we'll never know. Not one credible accuser. Not a single accuser of ex staff member that hasn't tried getting money first before deciding to go public with the "truth". Not a single one can be believed at face value. His first accuser fled the country rather than give evidence in the 2nd trial. He got 22 million years earlier but he didn't care about current "victims". He fled the country to avoid testifying in court

Sleeper12

mcmoustache wrote:

It's possible to believe that the parents were terrible while at the same time believing that MJ was a pedo. In fact, it's not unheard of for parents to pimp their kids out to pedophiles.

mcmoustache wrote:

Again, and I can't point this out enough - he was sleeping with children. That's one thing that we know for certain and there's no innocent explanation for that and no self-id of Peter Pan or Jesus changes that.

Look my kids are adults now but they wouldn't have been allowed those sleeping arrangements in aunts and uncles homes let alone a strangers home. This doesn't mean that he abused them or didn't abuse them. It's dam strange that's for sure. Everyone of those kids should have been taken into care. None of those were fit parents. They put their kids at risk for fame and money. They pimped their children weather they were abused or not.

BorneTobyWilde

If he was guilty he saw his relationships as loving, and so did those involved considering they defending him over and over while he was alive and considering he wanted them on the stand to stick up for him.

Dontfadeaway

He was accused in 1993. If that was true or not, he still continued to have boys sleep over. Wouldn't you stop having them over if you were innocent as you wouldn't want to be in that situation again? It's more like he had a problem and couldn't stop.

Boggles

mcmoustache wrote: »

Again, and I can't point this out enough - he was sleeping with children. That's one thing that we know for certain and there's no innocent explanation for that and no self-id of Peter Pan or Jesus changes that.

Well there is, and Cory Feldman has stated it again last night. Text speak is tragic, but you get the jist.

NEVER ONCE SWORE IN MY PRESENCE, NEVER TOUCHED ME INAPPROPRIATELY, & NEVER EVER SUGGESTED WE SHOULD BE LOVERS IN ANY WAY! I FEEL LIKE IF PPL COULD HEAR OUR CONVOS THEY WOULD HEAR THE INNOCENCE IN THEM. NO HINT OF PERVERSION. I HAV A TAPE, IM THINKIN ABOUT RELEASING, WHICH COULD, GIV PPL A REAL LOOK @ WHAT A 30 YR OLD MAN/CHILD & A 13 YR OLD BOY WOULD DISCUSS, SO EVERY1 COULD HEAR THE INNOCENCE OF R RELATIONSHIP

STILL FRIENDS WITH 2 THIS DAY, & NONE OF US WERE EVER APPROACHED BY HIM IN A SEXUAL WAY AT ALL! SO AS MUCH AS THOSE 2 MEN DESERVE 2 HAV THEIR VOICES HEARD, SO DO THE THOUSANDS OF KIDS WHO HUNG AROUND HIM, THAT DONT AGREE! MOST PEDOS R SERIAL OFFENDERS. THEY DONT HAV SELF CONTROL.

Leroy42

Cory should be aware that paedophile don't attack each and every kid they meet? Just because he did nothing to Corey is a total irrelevance.

Corey doesn't know, any more that any of us do. Sure he has a better 'knowledge' of MJ, at least the MJ that MJ wanted him to see.

He wasn't some raving, rabid drooling monster, roaming the streets for whatever kid he could find. And neither were the priests we know about, are the uncles, or fathers or coaches or whomever. They all have split personalities. Caring, loving and centre of the community, religious etc, on the one hand, but carrying out sick and twisted acts in secrecy that usually only comes out years later and has many that thought they knew them baffled.

So I don't doubt that Cory total believes in MJ and the bona fides or what he is saying, but it does not to further the issue.

123balltv

Looks like Corey feldman is having doubts.

Boggles

Leroy42 wrote: »

Corey doesn't know, any more that any of us do.

Corey who was there at the time and knew him for years or some lad shooting the shít on the internet?

:P

8-10

Add in Brett Barnes and Macauley Culkin

showpony1

Boggles wrote: »

Well there is, and Cory Feldman has stated it again last night. Text speak is tragic, but you get the jist.

Cory Feldman will end up coming out in a few years saying he was abused.

Boggles

showpony1 wrote: »

Cory Feldman will end up coming out in a few years saying he was abused.

Boggles

8-10 wrote: »

Add in Brett Barnes and Macauley Culkin

And Robson until the Jackson estate cut him from the gravy train.

Leroy42

Boggles wrote: »

Corey who was there at the time and knew him for years or some lad shooting the shít on the internet?

:P

He was there all the time was he? He was at every sleep over?

He is quite entitled to give his experience, but that has no bearing on what may, or may not, have happened.

Did the paedophile priests that we have learned about attack ever child they ran into? Did all the other kids in the schools know what was going on? Do you think the priests talked about it openly with all the children?

Come on, they target the ones they are pretty sure they can be 'successful' with and leave the others alone. Maybe Cory had more attentive parents, maybe he simply was less awestruck, maybe MJ tried some smaller things (like holding hands or skinny dipping) and Cory told him to cop on.

Paedos have a very subtle and nuanced approach, they work their way in and create the feeling of trust. If at any stage that looks like not working they tend to back off and focus on another target.

This is all well documented, it is not simply based on MJ.

showpony1

marklazarcovic wrote: »

I hope you don't have kids if you cannot see what MJ was doing. It's only because it's MJ that you can't I imagine.

My comment had nothing to do with that - i was satirizing the amount of times someone comes onto the thread & after reading a few posts writes a big enlightened paragraph about "imagine it wasn't MJ, it was Paddy down the street who was having kids over - what would you think?" etc. when I've seen this almost word for word about 10 times on the thread already.

retro:electro

Leroy42 wrote: »

Did the paedophile priests that we have learned about attack ever child they ran into?.

Good point. It’s a well documented fact at this stage that the CC’s victims were largely vulnerable children, from broken homes with a myriad of social issues to exploit. The children of the “pillars of the community” or from families with Garda connections were by and large left alone. Corey and Culkin were already established stars in their own right.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that groomers can be methodically selective in the type of child they choose to groom, often choosing to surround themselves with many, but victimising only the most vulnerable.