Vitamins and Minerals vat

Whirl_wolle

Currently the vat on vitamins and minerals is 0%. From the 1st of March vat of 23% will be added to vitamins and minerals.

I take a few different vitamins and minerals for a few different conditions and this move would make it more expensive.

Leo said he wanted to represent people who get up early in the morning and go to work. Many people who get up early in the morning probably wouldn't be able to do so if it wasn't for a multivitamin.

Birneybau

All hail multivitamins. Prefer coffee myself

Undividual

That is scandalous. Taxing people who are attempting to look after their health.

Good thing we won't have to fund the health services down the road to treat the resulting ailments.

gozunda

Whirl_wolle wrote: »

Currently the vat on vitamins and minerals is 0%. From the 1st of March vat of 23% will be added to vitamins and minerals.

I take a few different vitamins and minerals for a few different conditions and this move would make it more expensive.

Leo said he wanted to represent people who get up early in the morning and go to work. Many people who get up early in the morning probably wouldn't be able to do so if it wasn't for a multivitamin.

And vat on fast food is just 13.5pc...

Makes no sense does it - except where Varadkar and friends are doing their very best to extract every last cent by what they euphemistically call "widening the tax base" - that's even more cash extracted in even more imaginative ways from you me and Jimbob. Great little country we are living in ...

Dakotabigone

Sugar tax on minerals already and now a vat hike.

Whirl_wolle

gozunda wrote: »

And vat on fast food is just 13.5pc...

Makes no sense does it - except where Varadkar and friends are doing their very best to extract every last cent by what they euphemistically call "widening the tax base" - that's even more cash extracted in even more imaginative ways from you me and Jimbob. Great little country we are living in ...

A vat of 13.5% on fast food and they want to hike up the vat on vitamins and minerals - stuff that helps people.

Absolutely scandalous.

I'd be dead if it wasn't for my range of supplements.

Your Face

Whirl_wolle wrote: »

Many people who get up early in the morning probably wouldn't be able to do so if it wasn't for a multivitamin.

That's a bit silly.

LETHAL LADY

Remember when most parents were forcing their children to swallow cod liver oil tablets daily in the 80s? What was that all about then?

Ronaldinho

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Remember when most parents were forcing their children to swallow cod liver oil tablets daily in the 80s? What was that all about then?

Go to Iceland to find out

Dakotabigone

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Remember when most parents were forcing their children to swallow cod liver oil tablets daily in the 80s? What was that all about then?

The government were telling the public to do it.

LETHAL LADY

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Go to Iceland to find out

I'm setting off now 😉

meeeeh

Or you can just have decent enough diet to get all needed vitamins and minerals. Most of supplements are about as effective as sugar pills.

LETHAL LADY

Dakotabigone wrote: »

The government were telling the public to do it.

I know, but now they're pushing Vitamin D for babies. How is anyone meant to know the best course of action?

orourkeda1977

Forget vitamins.

Have a ****. a good sweaty vat free ****

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

A good portion of Irish people don't get enough Vitamin D and Omega 3&6 Oil through their regular diet. This can lead to various health complications.

I think taxing something that is essential to basic health is horrible. Whatever paltry sum this tax will raise will cost many multiples down the line.

Dakotabigone

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I know, but now they're pushing Vitamin D for babies. How is anyone meant to know the best course of action?

Leo needs to answer these questions, all his fault.

LETHAL LADY

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Leo needs to answer these questions, all his fault.

I'll pass then 😉

Capt'n Midnight

Should be tax on junk food.

For most people there isn't a need for vitamin supplements, just don't eat junk.


Leo thinks he's a doctor now ? :rolleyes:

Dakotabigone

We’re eating too much processed food and Macdonalds.

wakka12

meeeeh wrote: »

Or you can just have decent enough diet to get all needed vitamins and minerals. Most of supplements are about as effective as sugar pills.

And some studies have even showed that some brands/mixes make you slightly more likely to die earlier than the control group
Theres just no point in taking multi vitamins, get it through diet

Graces7

wakka12 wrote: »

And some studies have even showed that some brands/mixes make you slightly more likely to die earlier than the control group
Theres just no point in taking multi vitamins, get it through diet[/QUOTE]

For many of us that is not feasible, sadly. So there is every point. They are in effect a safety net.

N b I get my supplements from the Uk and US.

Giveaway

Even before this tax hike its cheaper to get your nurtrients from a well balanced diet. Also compare the amount of iron for example in these preps, to the amount of iron in a medicated prep to tx a trie deficiency. At most 10% the iron of the medicated prep but the advertising so effective people believe they are equivalent pills(and believe the "natural" very low potency pill is safer too). Tax the charlatans out of business


evr
You spelled "make" wrong [/quote]

paw patrol

meeeeh wrote: »

Or you can just have decent enough diet to get all needed vitamins and minerals. Most of supplements are about as effective as sugar pills.

It's pretty hard to cover all bases even with a health balanced diet.
Even without debating that modern farming and food prep methods may deliver sub optimal food.

Also you are neglecting the fact that everybody is different some people may need more of a vitamin or similar to perform optimally which may not be practical to derive directly from food.

If a person iron deficient , are you really gonna demand they eat steak for breakfast dinner and tea ? It's not balanced nor practical.
We had sod all sun in Ireland , so we should be supplementing with vitamin d as another example.


The balanced diet is a good idea but too simplistic.

Graces7

Giveaway wrote: »

Even before this tax hike its cheaper to get your nurtrients from a well balanced diet. Also compare the amount of iron for example in these preps, to the amount of iron in a medicated prep to tx a trie deficiency. At most 10% the iron of the medicated prep but the advertising so effective people believe they are equivalent pills(and believe the "natural" very low potency pill is safer too). Tax the charlatans out of business


:eek:

and you are incorrect. By all means refuse them for you. Some of us are wiser.

D9Male

The vitamin and supplement industry is a big cod. A large meta study showed no benefit in regular supplements last year.

Atoms for Peace

All the minerals you'll ever need from birth to slaughter.
https://www.coopsuperstores.ie/Farming/Animal-Nutrition/Minerals/Beef-Minerals/Superchoice-Calfbeef-Bucket-Purple-20kg-0029160

Lotus Flower

paw patrol wrote: »

It's pretty hard to cover all bases even with a health balanced diet.
Even without debating that modern farming and food prep methods may deliver sub optimal food.

Also you are neglecting the fact that everybody is different some people may need more of a vitamin or similar to perform optimally which may not be practical to derive directly from food.

If a person iron deficient , are you really gonna demand they eat steak for breakfast dinner and tea ? It's not balance nor practical.
We had sod all sun in Ireland , so we should be supplementing with vitamin d as another example.


The balanced diet is a good idea but too simplistic.

This. Obviously a balanced diet is important but they're called supplements for a reason.

Graces7

D9Male wrote: »

The vitamin and supplement industry is a big cod. A large meta study showed no benefit in regular supplements last year.

proof please? Thank you

sophiexyz

Around here a left leaning world view is prevalent and promoted, so the hypocrisy of complaining about price increases due to tax/VAT increases is two faced, how else is the government going to pay for the immigrants/refugees it is bringing into the country, a policy supported by the very same posters who are the ones complaining about price rises?
Suck it up, this is what you want, Y/N?

D9Male

D9Male wrote: »

The vitamin and supplement industry is a big cod. A large meta study showed no benefit in regular supplements last year.

Here is a summary of that study.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/routine-vitamin-supplementation-mostly-useless/

What they found is that:

*Multivitamins, vitamins D, C, A, B6, E, calcium, β-carotene, zinc, iron, magnesium, and selenium had no benefit or harm for vascular disease or all-cause mortality.

*Folic acid and B-complex (Folic acid, B6 and B12) reduced stroke risk

*Antioxidants and niacin increased all-cause mortality.

Another study looked at fish oil and found no benefit either via diet or supplements.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-benefit-from-fish-oil/[url][/url]

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

proof please? Thank you

Just posted a summary above

sophiexyz

Tis impossible to go Vegan with out vitamin,minerals supplements, so it not all bad news , could be the end of vegans?

Wanderer78

Whirl_wolle wrote:

Leo said he wanted to represent people who get up early in the morning and go to work.

.....and many fell for this to!

sophiexyz

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.....and many fell for this to!

Leo & Co have their eyes on a big EU/UN job, they will sell us out to achieve this goal

Dial Hard

Dakotabigone wrote:

Leo needs to answer these questions, all his fault.

Only this was a Revenue decision, and Revenue operate completely independently of the sitting government.

This is absolutely nothing to do with Leo or Simon or anyone in FG. But I'm sure many on here won't let the facts get in the way of a good anti-gubbermint rant.

Wanderer78

sophiexyz wrote:

Leo & Co have their eyes on a big EU/UN job, they will sell us out to achieve this goal

Unfortunately our problems go way beyond our politicians

whiskeyman

UK already has standard VAT rate on vitamins / supplements.

However, if they can be deemed food, it's zero rated.

Expect many suppliers to bring out new 'food' offerings loaded and enriched with vitamins.

sophiexyz

Dial Hard wrote: »

Only this was a Revenue decision, and Revenue operate completely independently of the sitting government.

This is absolutely nothing to do with Leo or Simon or anyone in FG. .

If you believe that, you will believe anything

Dial Hard

sophiexyz wrote:

If you believe that, you will believe anything

Oh well that's me schooled, so.

Irish_peppa

"Not only are vitamin and mineral supplements a waste of money, they can in some instances actually harm the body," reports The Guardian.

The study found that none of the most commonly used supplements had any significant effect on the risk of cardiovascular outcomes or death from any cause.


https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/most-multivitamins-and-supplements-are-waste-money/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/taoiseach-corrects-himself-after-calling-food-supplements-snake-oil-1.3696834?mode=amp

Leo isn't a fan.

sophiexyz

jh79 wrote: »

Leo isn't a fan.

throw a bung his way in the form of a political donation and he will change his tune

Whirl_wolle

Whirl_wolle wrote: »

Currently the vat on vitamins and minerals is 0%. From the 1st of March vat of 23% will be added to vitamins and minerals.

Meanwhile, am I the only one noticing that crisps, chocolate, minerals and the unending heap of similarly abject crap are colonising every corner of every supermarket - particularly the most prominent locations in them - with more special offers and deals than ever before in the history of commerce making them cheaper than ever to buy in bulk? Sugar and all its substitutes must be among the cheapest raw materials on the planet. And the incessant "buy, buy buy" propaganda via our tvs and radios all pushing this rubbish from this multi-billion euro industry.

Just how many billion is all that trans fat and assorted rubbish going to cost the Irish health system and the productivity of the Irish economy (never mind the social costs of an increasingly obese population)?

The government could grow a massive pair of balls and tax this pernicious rubbish back into the corners of supermarkets and margins of society, while at the same time reducing taxes on things which improve our health like healthy foods and vitamin supplements. The god of fundamentalist "free market" capitalism must be obeyed so we couldn't do anything with a bit of vision like that which could, as they are wont to put it, "undermine the economy".

We're particularly stupid here because we see so many of the problems which the American model creates, and the British one which copies it first reproduces, but we don't learn anything from both of them and then we copy them wholesale. Lazy, myopic legislators and compromised journalists pushing agendas in media to shove politicians to follow all the mistakes of those two societies. Consensus is a curse most of us can only recognise in hindsight.

Dakotabigone

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Sugar tax on minerals already and now a vat hike.

I agree with that. It would be nice if they used the extra taxes to incentivise people to eat healthier food and drinks but it's very unlikely. It would be a mere cry in the wind against all the incentives corporations create to entice people to buy their rubbish.

Whirl_wolle

Deleted User wrote: »

Meanwhile, am I the only one noticing that crisps, chocolate, minerals and the unending heap of similarly abject crap are colonising every corner of every supermarket - particularly the most prominent locations in them - with more special offers and deals than ever before in the history of commerce making them cheaper than ever to buy in bulk? Sugar and all its substitutes must be among the cheapest raw materials on the planet. And the incessant "buy, buy buy" propaganda via our tvs and radios all pushing this rubbish from this multi-billion euro industry.

Just how many billion is all that trans fat and assorted rubbish going to cost the Irish health system and the productivity of the Irish economy (never mind the social costs of an increasingly obese population)?

The government could grow a massive pair of balls and tax this pernicious rubbish back into the corners of supermarkets and margins of society, while at the same time reducing taxes on things which improve our health like healthy foods and vitamin supplements. The god of fundamentalist "free market" capitalism must be obeyed so we couldn't do anything with a bit of vision like that which could, as they are wont to put it, "undermine the economy".

We're particularly stupid here because we see so many of the problems which the American model creates, and the British one which copies it first reproduces, but we don't learn anything from both of them and then we copy them wholesale. Lazy, myopic legislators and compromised journalists pushing agendas in media to shove politicians to follow all the mistakes of those two societies. Consensus is a curse most of us can only recognise in hindsight.

I love this post so much. It's true and I find your wording so funny:

"The government could grow a massive pair of balls and tax this pernicious rubbish back into the corners of supermarkets and corners of society".

LOL. Very true.

The Rape of Lucretia

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Unfortunately our problems go way beyond our politicians

True. Politicians cannot really be held responsible for the low standard of Irish people in general and that they cannot save those people from the effects of their own failings.

Wanderer78

The Rape of Lucretia wrote:

True. Politicians cannot really be held responsible for the low standard of Irish people in general and that they cannot save those people from the effects of their own failings.

Jaysis, there's a loaded statement, what should we do with the great unwashed?

JohnnyFlash

Vat rates can be mysterious. My main business is supplying commercial ovens to pubs and restaurants. A pizza for example is only eligible for vat when you heat it.

I’ve also an investment in a business making biscuits for own brand supermarket biscuits. A plain biscuit has only 13.5% vat charged, while if you cover them in chocolate then it’s charged at 23% vat.

Bread is even more confusing - if you add things like tomatoes or garlic to the bread then it’s eligible for vat.

Balanadan

The only minerals I need are Coca Cola and Club Orange.

Ulysses Gaze

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

True. Politicians cannot really be held responsible for the low standard of Irish people in general and that they cannot save those people from the effects of their own failings.

We get the politicians we deserve.

The Rape of Lucretia

Balanadan wrote: »

The only minerals I need are Coca Cola and Club Orange.

Thinly veiled "Im so wealthy I can pay full VAT, and sugar tax."