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Is the landlord within their rights to raise the rent by this much?

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    #32
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    "Market Rate" is misleading term. Rent prices are only rising because vested interests such as landlords are suppressing the development of supply to meet demand.....

    In one way you are correct. They are reducing supply. By leaving the market. Who will provide rentals if not landlords?

    People and Govt policy want Landlords to leave the market. So they are. So that's what causing a rental shortage. The housing shortage is an entirely different question.


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    #33
    UpTheSlashers
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    "Market Rate" is misleading term. Rent prices are only rising because vested interests such as landlords are suppressing the development of supply to meet demand.

    Greed does not cut "both ways" in these circumstances.

    Interesting, I would have thought like of supply would be mostly due to the fact that for 10 years there was no property development. I can’t see myself how landlords, and don’t forget the majority are single property owners, suppressed the development of supply. I certainly didn’t stop the banks from lending to developers.

    Greed certainly does cut both ways, tenants looked for reductions during the recession and cared little if the LL was struggling to make repayments while supply outstripped demand, LL’s care little about raising rents when demand outstrips supply.

    Just to be clear, are you claiming landlords don't object to housing and apartments being built?

    And how could an LL be struggling to make repayments? Could it be because the to out second and third mortgages on properties they couldn't afford? Are these the "accidental" landlords we're supposed to feel sorry for?


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    #34
    4ensic15
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Just to be clear, are you claiming landlords don't object to housing and apartments being built?

    They don't. Have you a single example of a landlord objecting to housing and apartments being built?


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    #35
    beauf
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    Something like 70% have one property up to 85% two. 15% have more than 2 or something like that. A lot have no mortgages.

    But they are leaving regardless.


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    #36
    UpTheSlashers
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Just to be clear, are you claiming landlords don't object to housing and apartments being built?

    They don't. Have you a single example of a landlord objecting to housing and apartments being built?
    https://i.imgur.com/0aZNWqU.jpg


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    #37
    UpTheSlashers
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Just to be clear, are you claiming landlords don't object to housing and apartments being built?

    They don't. Have you a single example of a landlord objecting to housing and apartments being built?[/quote]

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-mayor-student-accommodation-plan-gives-two-fingers-to-locals-898461.html


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    #38
    4ensic15
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    https://i.imgur.com/0aZNWqU.jpg

    That is a councillor objecting to a proposed development in his area.


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    #39
    UpTheSlashers
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    https://i.imgur.com/0aZNWqU.jpg

    That is a councillor objecting to a proposed development in his area.
    For who's benefit?


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    #40
    UpTheSlashers
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Just to be clear, are you claiming landlords don't object to housing and apartments being built?

    They don't. Have you a single example of a landlord objecting to housing and apartments being built?
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-leo-varadkar-defends-objections-to-constituency-development-claiming-area-has-been-blighted-36155759.html&ved=2ahUKEwinjK_z9JPgAhWYQhUIHYXsCAMQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0UfevSbQ08BYTNQ9raovxU&ampcf=1


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    #41
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    Something like 70% have one property up to 85% two. 15% have more than 2 or something like that. A lot have no mortgages.

    But they are leaving regardless.
    No loss.


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    #42
    4ensic15
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-leo-varadkar-defends-objections-to-constituency-development-claiming-area-has-been-blighted-36155759.html&ved=2ahUKEwinjK_z9JPgAhWYQhUIHYXsCAMQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0UfevSbQ08BYTNQ9raovxU&ampcf=1

    What of it. That is a comment by the Taoiseach.


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    #43
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    No loss.

    If you don't care about the loss of rental properties and shortage of supply, what are you complaining about exactly.


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    #44
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    For who's benefit?

    Hes a politician and its where he lives. Here's a wild guess ...votes.

    He also male and I assume from cork. So by your logic we can say males in cork object to planning and are causing a shortage.


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    #45
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    No loss.

    If you don't care about the loss of rental properties and shortage of supply, what are you complaining about exactly.
    Ya, because the houses disappear into thin air when a landlord stops letting.

    Jesus wept, ye lot are something else.


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    #46
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Ya, because the houses disappear into thin air when a landlord stops letting.

    Jesus wept, ye lot are something else.

    Jesus wept, read whats posted. Shortage of "private rental" specifically.

    If someone else buys it to live in it, or leaves it empty. It has not disappeared. But it has disappeared from the private rental market.


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    #47
    4ensic15
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Ya, because the houses disappear into thin air when a landlord stops letting.

    Jesus wept, ye lot are something else.

    Typical. Such a begrudger he would have people sleeping in the street rather than have a landlord make a profit.


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    #48
    beauf
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    In fairness he established its Cork Males causing the crisis, not LLs or anyone else.


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    #49
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Ya, because the houses disappear into thin air when a landlord stops letting.

    Jesus wept, ye lot are something else.

    Jesus wept, read whats posted. Shortage of "private rental" specifically.

    If someone else buys it to live in it, or leaves it empty. It has not disappeared. But it has disappeared from the private rental market.

    And when people can afford to purchase to a house to live in, they are no longer hostages to the rental market.

    It's fairly simple, a bit like you.


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    #50
    UpTheSlashers
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    Ya, because the houses disappear into thin air when a landlord stops letting.

    Jesus wept, ye lot are something else.

    Typical. Such a begrudger he would have people sleeping in the street rather than have a landlord make a profit.
    A bit rich coming from someone defending landlords.


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    #51
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    In fairness he established its Cork Males causing the crisis, not LLs or anyone else.
    And there it is, can't stick with facts so you've devolved into nonsense.


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    #52
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    And when people can afford to purchase to a house to live in, they are no longer hostages to the rental market.

    It's fairly simple, a bit like you.

    Where do they live before they buy a place if there is no no rental property.

    Personal insults :rolleyes:


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    #53
    ted1
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    And when people can afford to purchase to a house to live in, they are no longer hostages to the rental market.

    It's fairly simple, a bit like you.

    They become a hostage to the banks. Just like most landlords


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    #54
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    And there it is, can't stick with facts so you've devolved into nonsense.

    Simply copying your technique. Selectively quoting from the facts to skew the narrative. Like every tabloid does every day.


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    #55
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    And when people can afford to purchase to a house to live in, they are no longer hostages to the rental market.

    It's fairly simple, a bit like you.

    Where do they live before they buy a place if there is no no rental property.

    Personal insults :rolleyes:

    If the property is not available for rent, it is available for sale.

    So somebody buys the house and Lives in it.

    Go on and report me if you're so upset being "insulted".

    For what it's worth, I don't think most of ye are genuinely this simple, ye just genuinely believe ye are doing no wrong.


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    #56
    UpTheSlashers
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    beauf wrote: »
    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    And there it is, can't stick with facts so you've devolved into nonsense.

    Simply copying your technique. Selectively quoting from the facts to skew the narrative. Like every tabloid does every day.
    You quoted your own interpretation, you do realise that?


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    #57
    beauf
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    ted1 wrote: »
    They become a hostage to the banks. Just like most landlords

    There is a hierarchy of influence something like

    Global Market Conditions
    Govt Policy
    Local Market Conditions
    Banks
    Landowners
    Developers
    Suppliers, Builders/Trades
    Landlords/Owners
    Tenants

    Whats the odds of any one of those controlling all the others.


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    #58
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    If the property is not available for rent, it is available for sale.

    So somebody buys the house and Lives in it.

    Go on and report me if you're so upset being "insulted".

    For what it's worth, I don't think most of ye are genuinely this simple, ye just genuinely believe ye are doing no wrong.

    I asked where do they live before they can buy. No answer.
    No everyone is a Landlord just because they disagree with you.

    I have an issue with Govt Policy, why people like you give them a free ride, when its the Govt that have largely created this crisis, over many years.

    Why is that wrong? You think its wrong to hold the Govt responsible?

    You think reducing the rental market, allowing uncontrolled immigration, and doing almost nothing to increase supply of property and new building, is ok.

    Because thats what you are saying.

    Look at the banks. They were uncontrolled for years. Now they have controls. So who was responsible for all those years when there were no controls. The central bank, the regulator, the Govt.

    No you reckon the LL. Seriously.


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    #59
    beauf
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    UpTheSlashers wrote: »
    You quoted your own interpretation, you do realise that?

    Maybe hes right handed. Maybe I should say its only right handed Politicians controlling supply. exactly which bits should I leave out, as you did.


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    #60
    beauf
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    As for Varadkar.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pictured-the-little-box-apartments-planned-for-castleknock-that-varadkar-finds-grossly-insensitive-36160226.html
    in spite of 90 objections, Fingal County Council gave the green light last January for 38 apartments and an underground car park.

    In Fingal they wait for you to spend your life saving on a family home then give planning permission for a block of mutli story flats at the bottom of your garden. Usually in a place thats already gridlocked. They'll use the proximity of the train station as justification. They'll fail to mention its jammed like a tokyo train at peak, and the frequency is once per hour off peak. Meanwhile the Dart gets 10 min intervals.

    Fingal is basically letting go though. Its a free for all for developers. We'll all be crying about it in 10yrs, just like we did about the abysmal building standards and tiny apartments with damp problems.

    But yeah maybe its because hes a LL, even if he isn't. No idea.


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    Graham
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