Orange/red together before green for go

bazz26

Going by some of the UK dashcam videos on youtube, amber means have launch control ready to go.

dodzy

To echo the sentiments of others, we as a nation are an embarrassment, either stopped at, or approaching traffic lights. (We are equally sh1t on the motorways by the way)

Any change, no matter how successful in other parts of the world, would be carnage here. I live in Dublin West. Some of the worst drivers in the land reside here. Of that I have no doubt.

grogi

No

dodzy wrote: »

To echo the sentiments of others, we as a nation are an embarrassment, either stopped at, or approaching traffic lights. (We are equally sh1t on the motorways by the way)

Any change, no matter how successful in other parts of the world, would be carnage here. I live in Dublin West. Some of the worst drivers in the land reside here. Of that I have no doubt.

Nonsense. As a nation, the Irish are frightened to death of any change. But they do cope just fine.

Del2005

grogi wrote: »

Flashing amber means 'proceed with caution'

Where? Green is proceed with caution in this country. Amber is do not pass


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

the_syco

No

Nixonbot wrote: »

Also let us turn left on a red.

This works so well in Toronto! It also gets rid of so much traffic.

Deleted User wrote: »

How do countries that allow in our case a left on red factor in pedestrian crossings? I can think of a few locally where I'd have little to no visibility of the near side crossing around the left turn.

Peds have right of way, but there are signs that say "stop on red" which means no right turn on red. Points & instant fine if caught doing so.

Victor

No

Deleted User wrote: »

How do countries that allow in our case a left on red factor in pedestrian crossings? I can think of a few locally where I'd have little to no visibility of the near side crossing around the left turn.

The drivers are meant to yield to the pedestrians, but in reality, many do a 'rolling stop'. Combined with inattentive driving, pedestrians are killed.

seamus wrote: »

No. You'd have people slamming it to the floor when the orange appears because they don't understand what the lights mean.

Which is correct. Sorry, do you mean braking or accelerating?

Wishbone Ash

EdgeCase wrote: »

One of the problems in Dublin (certainly more than Cork) is junctions that trap people / lack of filter lights....

...For example : right turn into the Mater hospital from Druncondra....

Eh, there is no right turn permitted there and it has a sign to that effect. That explains the lack of a filter light and why you are getting 'trapped'.

If you need to get to the Mater, take the next right into Synnott Place (opposite The Auld Triangle pub) and do a loop around to get back onto the NCR.

Voodoomelon

No

There's a red light for left at the biggest junction in Dundalk outside Xerox and weekly I see people going straight through it. This is a junction which you regularly see people travelling through at 80-100kph. Bugs the hell out of me.

grogi

No

Del2005 wrote: »

Where? Green is proceed with caution in this country. Amber is do not pass


http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.

Del2005

grogi wrote: »

Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.

Where in the Statute or Rules of the road does it say that? The ROTR says that flashing orange means that peds have priority so if approaching you have to stop for flashing orange, same as a flashing amber arrow is a yield. The Statute says stop on amber. Neither say go on Amber.

Pataman

No

Del2005 wrote: »

Where in the Statute or Rules of the road does it say that? The ROTR says that flashing orange means that peds have priority so if approaching you have to stop for flashing orange, same as a flashing amber arrow is a yield. The Statute says stop on amber. Neither say go on Amber.

What about a pelican crossing?

Are you saying that when a pedestrian light changes from red to flashing orange, you just sit there if the crossing is clear?

Crock Rock

No

Green means proceed with caution (ie, don't just plough through any obstacle which happens to be there).

Orange means stop if safe to do so (ie, jamming on won't cause an accident).

Red (well, you should be already stopped when you approac a red, fairly self-explanatory).

Flashing orange is usually and those "curved junctions" at cross roads (I don't know the name of them) and pedestrian crossings. Flashing amber means you may go if there are no pedestrians left on the crossing.

grogi

No

Crock Rock wrote: »

Flashing orange is usually and those "curved junctions" at cross roads (I don't know the name of them) and pedestrian crossings. Flashing amber means you may go if there are no pedestrians left on the crossing.

Or at traffic lights that are out of order.

lawred2

Crock Rock wrote: »

Would this system work well in Ireland in your opinions?

I was driving around Newry recently and noticed that's how it works up there, I forgot the UK had that sequence. It is used in some of our European neighbous too. Some do it that way and some do it our way, as in the go straight from red to green.


Would this save time moving off at junctions?

What do you think would you like ot see it here?

I don't think it makes much difference to be honest

Crock Rock

No

grogi wrote: »

Or at traffic lights that are out of order.

Are out of order traffic lights not just dim completely (ie, no lighting at all)?

elperello

No

Crock Rock wrote: »

Are out of order traffic lights not just dim completely (ie, no lighting at all)?

Not always.
You can have lights stuck on red or green.
The only options are 1- proceed with extreme caution,2- turn around and find another route to your destination or 3- wait for Gardai to direct traffic.

Del2005

Pataman wrote: »

What about a pelican crossing?

Are you saying that when a pedestrian light changes from red to flashing orange, you just sit there if the crossing is clear?

A pelican crossing is covered by legislation.

Of course not. But I know that it's not legal, just like I might occasionally exceed a posted speed limit.

milhous

Voodoomelon wrote: »

There's a red light for left at the biggest junction in Dundalk outside Xerox and weekly I see people going straight through it. This is a junction which you regularly see people travelling through at 80-100kph. Bugs the hell out of me.

Tbf it should be a filter light. Limit is 60kmph (I don't think it reduces to 50?) and you'd actively have to cross lanes to crash.

Pythagorean

No

I vote YES to this proposal, because far too often I see drivers taking ages to get off the line when the lights turn green. It's exasperating when you miss the green because the driver 3 cars ahead has taken 5 seconds to respond. As previously mentioned, some lights are only green for maybe 10 seconds, which further adds to the joys of driving. In the USA they allow "right on red", unless a sign says " no right on red", also late at night, instead of the normal traffic light sequence, they often have a flashing amber for all signals. This works very well when the traffic is light, and saves the inordinate waits at traffic lights here late at night.

elperello

No

Pythagorean wrote: »

I vote YES to this proposal, because far too often I see drivers taking ages to get off the line when the lights turn green. It's exasperating when you miss the green because the driver 3 cars ahead has taken 5 seconds to respond. As previously mentioned, some lights are only green for maybe 10 seconds, which further adds to the joys of driving. In the USA they allow "right on red", unless a sign says " no right on red", also late at night, instead of the normal traffic light sequence, they often have a flashing amber for all signals. This works very well when the traffic is light, and saves the inordinate waits at traffic lights here late at night.

Yes we can!!
There is no reason why Irish drivers could not adapt to amber/green signals.

galwaytt

elperello wrote: »

Yes we can!!
There is no reason why Irish drivers could not adapt to amber/green signals.

Yes there is: I saw 3 cars jump a red in Galway today. The colour of the lights won't change that behaviour.

Del2005

galwaytt wrote: »

Yes there is: I saw 3 cars jump a red in Galway today. The colour of the lights won't change that behaviour.

We have a problem with people jumping lights due to lack of enforcement, but we have relatively little DUI. The USA does not have a problem with people jumping lights due to enforcement, but DUI is still a huge problem there. If we enforced all our current laws most issues would be resolved without the need to introduce new laws to be ignored.

I remember years ago when the government made a big noise about changing the law on it being illegal to be drunk in public to it being illegal to be drunk in public. Newstalk interviewed the senior Garda in Dublin in Temple Bar and the interviewer asked where all the drunks walking around going to be arrested, the answer was no.

Our government is good at introducing new laws to fix problems, but never enforces them so the problem remains.

mikeecho

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think we should get rid of amber altogether.

Get rid of red as well . Noone pays a blind bit of notice to it anyway.

When the lights are out at complex junctions, people tend to be a lot more cautious, and overall traffic seems to generally flow better.

Dravokivich

grogi wrote: »

Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.

Yield.

Peregrinus

grogi wrote: »

Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.

And this, boys and girls, is why it would be a mistake to introduce more signals that rely on the amber light. Even the ones we already have are not well-understood.

slave1

Victor wrote: »

The drivers are meant to yield to the pedestrians, but in reality, many do a 'rolling stop'. Combined with inattentive driving, pedestrians are killed.

Which is correct. Sorry, do you mean braking or accelerating?

Been in Florida loads of times and the cops over there will pull in an instant any driver who does not come to a complete stop at the line before proceeding right on a red, seen just the odd lad do it ahead of me and twice from nowhere a police car came and pulled them over...even in empty roads you have to do it

grogi

No

Dravokivich wrote: »

Yield.

Anywhere in civilised world, where Vienna Convention was ratified, flashing amber has a well defined meaning:

A single amber flashing light or two amber lights flashing alternately shall
mean that drivers may proceed but shall do so with particular care.

Ireland unfortunately didn't. But our traffic signals are usually imported where they do follow the Vienna Convention.

Dravokivich

grogi wrote: »

Anywhere in civilised world, where Vienna Convention was ratified, flashing amber has a well defined meaning:


Ireland unfortunately didn't. But our traffic signals are usually imported where they do follow the Vienna Convention.

Makes no odds, there's no traffic light here for "go" either. Flashing ambers are to be handled as a yield. It doesn't matter much what people do anywhere else.

grogi

No

Dravokivich wrote: »

Makes no odds, there's no traffic light here for "go" either. Flashing ambers are to be handled as a yield. It doesn't matter much what people do anywhere else.

If your 'yield' means 'proceed with caution', sure.

Nobody should ever just bluntly go, even on green - that 'go' was just a mind shortcut, in response to @Del2005 comment that flashing amber means stop.

Dravokivich

grogi wrote: »

If your 'yield' means 'proceed with caution', sure.

Nobody should ever just bluntly go, even on green - that 'go' was just a mind shortcut, in response to @Del2005 comment that flashing amber means stop.

How many teeth do you plan on pulling out? Yield is a reference to right of way.