Intermittent Fasting

SuperRabbit

I'm sorry I hit a nerve. I regularly speak to people with eating disorders and I know this is a potential cause and a huge problem, I was trying to be helpful, I didn't mean to make you angry. I tried to add the caveat that everyone was different, but clearly this did not help. If you would like to talk about it or if you have suggestions on how my wording could have been better feel free to dm me or write here.

I suppose I am prone to thinking too much about it because that just happens to be the world I chose to live in. I guess if your world is say, gardening, you might be seeing daffodils as being relevant to every conversation.

Ilovemycharlie

Caloric deficit/keto nuff said.

Alf Veedersane

SuperRabbit wrote: »

I'm sorry I hit a nerve. I regularly speak to people with eating disorders and I know this is a potential cause and a huge problem, I was trying to be helpful, I didn't mean to make you angry. I tried to add the caveat that everyone was different, but clearly this did not help. If you would like to talk about it or if you have suggestions on how my wording could have been better feel free to dm me or write here.

I suppose I am prone to thinking too much about it because that just happens to be the world I chose to live in. I guess if your world is say, gardening, you might be seeing daffodils as being relevant to every conversation.

As someone who had an eating disorder I respectfully disagree that it is potentially dangerous as a concept though I can see how you would think so given the field you work in.

Penn

SuperRabbit wrote: »

I'm sorry I hit a nerve. I regularly speak to people with eating disorders and I know this is a potential cause and a huge problem, I was trying to be helpful, I didn't mean to make you angry. I tried to add the caveat that everyone was different, but clearly this did not help. If you would like to talk about it or if you have suggestions on how my wording could have been better feel free to dm me or write here.

I suppose I am prone to thinking too much about it because that just happens to be the world I chose to live in. I guess if your world is say, gardening, you might be seeing daffodils as being relevant to every conversation.

I think the issue is just that from your wording it made it seem like those who count calories and had no issues were exceptions rather than the norm, whereas if you speak regularly with people who have eating disorders as part of your job, the balance of those who do have issues with it is going to be more on the side of those for whom calorie counting can become an issue (becoming obsessive over the number, overly anxious if they go over their limits etc).

I think many, if not most, would find no greater issues stemming from calorie counting than almost any other type of diet, as it all still boils down to the fundamentals of consuming fewer calories than you burn. Whether that takes the form of calorie counting, slimming world syns, fasting so you're eating fewer meals.... they all lead to the same place. But if people are having greater issues tied to an eating disorder and risk becoming obsessive or anxious about something like calorie counting, they're likely to be the same regardless of which form of diet they undertake.

SuperRabbit

I suppose saying it's absolutely not more of a risk than anything else or saying it is absolutely a huge risk are the two extremes, and maybe the truth, as usual, is somewhere in the middle?

I don't want to drag this thread off topic.. I'd say I originally stated my point WAY too strongly, especially considering I've no evidence to back it up. Thanks for calling me out you guys and happy salad-weather!

I did intermittent fasting from January to March and I shed about 5 kg without much bother. I was running which helped but the IF got me past a mark I couldn't break. I found it relatively easy

Went back having breakfasts and left the diet run amok and now the weight is back on. Back on the IF now, I know it works and I didnt watch what I was eating on it either. I find I eat out of boredom and this IF gets me on a routine.

Problem Of Motivation

There's still a lot of nutty advice out there. Right here, at 0:30 Dr David Sinclair (the resveratrol guy) actually says that "it's not what you eat, it's when you eat" that's important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75doh5hJVRI

rhubarbcustard

Im very early days into IF but going good so far. 16 / 8. the best thing i find about it is that it stops me from grazing in the evenings, and it stops me from being tempted into bad breakfast choices as i make my way to work in the mornings. im definitely more inclined to ensure I've brought breakfast & lunch with me. typically id have overnight oats (with Fruit) breakfast round 11, Turkey salad wrap at about 1pm and dinner at 6.45pm. Not really feeling like im fasting for 16 hours at all.

rhubarbcustard

rhubarbcustard wrote: »

Im very early days into IF but going good so far. .........

By going good, what do you mean?

rhubarbcustard

Augeo wrote: »

By going good, what do you mean?

I can definitely feel some results already and only on Day 3. Probably that "Water Weight" everyone loses the first week of a diet but im not doing anything too drastic, im eating 3 meals afterall so im impressed.
Also it apparently gets easier as time goes by but feels easy enough already to stay disciplined. Time & also the scales will tell the true tale though!!

seannash

Tried it for 3 weeks and saw no benefit. No weight loss at all.
It doesn't suit my lifestyle though and I found it really hard in the evenings

rhubarbcustard

rhubarbcustard wrote: »

.... im eating 3 meals afterall so im impressed.
....!

Mmmm..... Unless the dinners are huge or the turkey salad wrap is laden in high calorie dressings it looks like you're eating well under 1800kcals/day

I'd expect most folk to loose weight on your current diet / eating plan TBH. There's no mention of snacks....drinks with calories or any treat whatsoever ☺

Problem Of Motivation

What about all this talk of spacing out your meals in order to have a faster metabolism? I used to hear so much about that and apparently it's completely pointless now? Apparently it's the reason there are no fat Japanese people:

https://www.mydomaine.com/hara-hachi-bu

And what about all this talk of not eating carbs before bed. All of a sudden we're told that that's nonsense? Now we're told that eating late at night and fasting in the morning/afternoon is the exact same as eating in the morning and fasting before bed. They can't have the exact same effect!

The chan chan man

Did it for 6 weeks and saw some good results. By week 5 however i was getting headaches around midday and was dizzy around lunchtime on the day I decided to give it up.

Not for me - but it does work.

Fionn1952

Having been recently told my diet consisting of two huge meals a day, both meat based (and three meat based meals at the weekends), isn't doing me any good (duh) and having put on a bit of extra weight around the gut recently, to go with the gout, I'm experimenting with cutting meat down to 1/2 days a week (depending on how much meat is left on the Sunday roast), another 3/4 of vegetarian food and trying 2 days a week of intermittent fasting (usually Tuesday/Thursday)

Early stages yet, but I haven't found it particularly challenging so far. I'm only really starting to get properly hungry pretty close to when the 24 hours are nearly done. 4lb down this week.

I'd imagine this is due to the natural caloric deficit that cutting down meat and fat, and two days of calories introduced more than any magic effect of IF, but so far so good.

tony1980

The chan chan man wrote: »

Did it for 6 weeks and saw some good results. By week 5 however i was getting headaches around midday and was dizzy around lunchtime on the day I decided to give it up.

Not for me - but it does work.

Electrolytes were probably low. Some Pink Himilayan Salt in your water would do the trick. Happened me in the first few weeks but not anymore.

Gtludwig

My girlfriend and I have been doing this a few weeks now. Since she is vegetarian, I don't eat meat at home. On top of that, we're also doing keto - which is, in a nutshell, cutting carbs to the bare minimum (ideally zero) and go wild on fats, to force your body to change its source of energy from carbs to fat.

Alcohol consumption plays a major part against it, so you should avoid. If you absolutely must have a drink, go for spirits as their carb contents are much lower than beer and wine, for instance.

On the first week, I was off from work and decided to take no exercise, to not put my body under too much strain. We were doing hardcore keto and something like 18-6 or even 20-4 at days. I dropped 3.7 kg.

The second week, as I got back to work, but still no exercises. I introduced the odd carbs (very hard to escape them when you're not cooking), weight loss was negligible.

This now is the third week and I introduced exercises to my routine - or I am trying to. From Tuesday to Wednesday, I did a 24 hour fast which wasn't as bad as most would assume. My problem, really, was getting back to junior rugby pre-season training Wednesday evening which completelly drained me, but I credit that to the previous day prolonged fasting. I don't think I will be doing that fasting anytime soon.

I am looking into keeping the intermittent fasting + keto from Sunday evenings to Friday evening. The period from Friday evening to Sunday evening is what I call prolonged cheat and focus my normal habits (drinking and eating whatever, whenever) there.

Dial Hard

Gtludwig wrote:

My girlfriend and I have been doing this a few weeks now. Since she is vegetarian, I don't eat meat at home. On top of that, we're also doing keto - which is, in a nutshell, cutting carbs to the bare minimum (ideally zero) and go wild on fats, to force your body to change its source of energy from carbs to fat.

I would dearly love to know how a vegetarian manages to get into ketosis.

dmcardleie

A lot of people here seem to be using IF as a method of weight loss.

No-one appears to have mentioned - unless I missed it - two of the main benefits of IF:

1) Increased autophagy &

2) Reducing insulin resistance.

Is anyone here using IF for those reasons?

tony1980

dmcardleie wrote: »

A lot of people here seem to be using IF as a method of weight loss.

No-one appears to have mentioned - unless I missed it - two of the main benefits of IF:

1) Increased autophagy &

2) Reducing insulin resistance.

Is anyone here using IF for those reasons?

Exactly who I use it and I just feel a whole lot better in general when not eating in between, I don’t have any weight to lose anymore, just IF and clean eating now for the health benefits. My dad laughed about IF when I mentioned it to him, said that was the norm years ago just not out of choice

mathie

tony1980 wrote: »

Exactly who I use it and I just feel a whole lot better in general when not eating in between, I don’t have any weight to lose anymore, just IF and clean eating now for the health benefits. My dad laughed about IF when I mentioned it to him, said that was the norm years ago just not out of choice

I noticed in the Titanic museum in Belfast they said that most workers had barely time (or money) for a cup of tea for breakfast. Most didn't eat until lunchtime.

fennor72

I'm thinking about the 16hr fasting method as Ive borderline hypertension, I tend to eat late at night which lately leaves me feeling bloated and sluggish. Is it a 7 days a week method or would say 3 or 4 days a week be beneficial. My concern is excess weight loss because I also run so am quite fit.
Has anyone used fasting as a method of controlling hypertension and if so what results has it given