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British burials timescale

  • 19-01-2019 5:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭


    Why do burials of people in Britain take weeks to happen? In Ireland it's about three days?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,122 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    Because they are different. They think we are mad doing it so quick.

    Muslim and Jewish people do their burials within a day if I remember right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    buerocracy and gross inefficiency usually. No reason apart from paperwork. even when there is a coronor's pm here one can still be buried within 3 to 7 dyas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    I think the Irish way is too quick. Especially if it’s a sudden, tragic death of someone young. It’s such a shock and then they are gone and buried quickly.

    A middle ground between the two would be perfect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    I think the Irish way is too quick. Especially if it’s a sudden, tragic death of someone young. It’s such a shock and then they are gone and buried quickly.

    A middle ground between the two would be perfect.

    I agree with that.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's queues.
    For cemeteries & crematoriums.
    There's a lot more people living & dying in Britain than in Ireland.
    People working in cemeteries etc are also actual workers, not like the country in Ireland where your neighbours will dig the grave.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    bubblypop wrote: »
    There's queues.
    For cemeteries & crematoriums.
    There's a lot more people living & dying in Britain than in Ireland.
    People working in cemeteries etc are also actual workers, not like the country in Ireland where your neighbours will dig the grave.

    In the very rural locality I grew up in, it’s been paid gravediggers doing the job since the late 1970s. There was a thread about this a few weeks ago so I asked my dad. Yeah, gravediggers have being doing the job in that rural location for 40 years. The ‘neighbours and extended family doing the digging’ has died out in some areas. In fact, I didn’t know it was a thing AT ALL until I read that thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭Purgative


    In the very rural locality I grew up in, it’s been paid gravediggers doing the job since the late 1970s. There was a thread about this a few weeks ago so I asked my dad. Yeah, gravediggers have being doing the job in that rural location for 40 years. The ‘neighbours and extended family doing the digging’ has died out in some areas. In fact, I didn’t know it was a thing AT ALL until I read that thread.


    Neighbours still do it here (Mayo). I find it quite charming and has more effect than a mass ever could.


    Funnily enough when I was last in UK someone asked the opposite question. "Why do they do it so quick" I just said "Its to help the spuds along".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 Penzer


    I wonder do close family Members etc in the UK return to work, try to continue as normal for a week or two before the funeral, then take time off ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Purgative wrote: »
    Neighbours still do it here (Mayo). I find it quite charming and has more effect than a mass ever could.


    Funnily enough when I was last in UK someone asked the opposite question. "Why do they do it so quick" I just said "Its to help the spuds along".

    Mayo here too! :) It’s mad that I had never heard of it. I was totally shocked. A piece of Irish culture that completely passed me by because our parish and the neighbouring ones all have gravediggers by profession and have done for decades.

    I’m not sure I agree that it makes much difference. Wakes are still really common and that’s as personal a touch, IMO. Neighbours sit with the corpse until the last family member goes to bed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Garlinge


    I think there is a 7 day delay legally in UK. Makes for sense, time for autopsy, check details of death etc. Also funerals in UK are more by invitation so time to contact people. It is less common to put a newspaper notice.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    That locals digging the graves thing is definitely isolated to a certain parts of Ireland and is absolutely not the case in urban areas that's for sure.

    The majority of funerals I've encountered in Ireland have been organised by professionals, not just the family.
    Garlinge wrote: »
    I think there is a 7 day delay legally in UK. Makes for sense, time for autopsy, check details of death etc. Also funerals in UK are more by invitation so time to contact people. It is less common to put a newspaper notice.

    That aspect can be both bad and good as they can take severe offence to someone turning up at a funeral uninvited. I've seen that happen. Again, it's highly variable, but it does happen that some people will see it as crossing the line to turn up at a funeral where you're not specifically invited or very close to the person.

    Whereas in Ireland they tend to be more of an open thing where people will show up as a matter of supporting the grieving relatives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I think the Irish way is too quick. Especially if it’s a sudden, tragic death of someone young. It’s such a shock and then they are gone and buried quickly.

    A middle ground between the two would be perfect.

    My dad died suddenly in the summer. It was Sunday evening. I delayed the funeral a day cos my cousin was trying to get back from Germany for it. So he was cremated on the Wednesday.

    It was far too quick. Straight away after it I regretted so much about it. None of it, bar the cremation , was anything to do with anything he liked or wanted. I sleep walked through it. I went straight from the hospital , home to bed late the night he died, got up first thing to contact a new job I was due to start that day and then out to the funeral director where I was making decisions on stuff and just agreeing with people. I was in not mood or state of mind to be organising stuff 15 hours after he died with me outside the treatment room.

    A few days or dealing with stuff and letting my head settle would have been a much better way to go about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Garlinge


    I think a 7 day delay is a legal requirement in UK. Also it is less likely to rely on a newspaper notice for details. People are invited to attend funerals like a social occasion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    My mom died a few months ago very unexpectedly and it was actually far, far too rushed. We were all in shock and there was stuff being organised so rapidly that I had no idea what was going on.

    The actual ceremony was far too impersonal as a result and I was a bit upset that I didn't have time to put any proper thought into what was said at it. The whole thing was just a whirlwind.

    Also a lot of relatives who lived abroad couldn't make it due to the short notice and I'm pretty sure plenty of them would have, had there been a bit of a pause.

    When something happens out of the blue like that, you have absolutely nothing planned and nobody's ever discussed arrangements or preferences.

    We even ended up with a very heavily religious removal involving rosary and all sorts of stuff which wasn't intended at all. It just so happened that someone arranged a priest and I didn't even know what was involved. I never met the man in my life before, nor did my mother. She wouldn't have been a very religious woman and it was way off tone.

    Meeting up with everyone and the send-off outside of that was all really good and cathartic but the formalities were just a big rush of going through the motions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭Purgative


    Mayo here too! :) It’s mad that I had never heard of it. I was totally shocked. A piece of Irish culture that completely passed me by because our parish and the neighbouring ones all have gravediggers by profession and have done for decades.


    Was in town last week and gave my address in a shop and the guy said - its like its still the 1950s there. Suits me ;)

    I’m not sure I agree that it makes much difference. Wakes are still really common and that’s as personal a touch, IMO. Neighbours sit with the corpse until the last family member goes to bed.
    Horses for courses. When its someone really close and its absolutely lashing outside. That 4 or 5 guys would take that trouble for basically SFA other than a meal and maybe a small tip. It just warms your heart when it could do with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭gw80


    Is the reason for the 3 day burial in Ireland to do with, jesus rising from the grave on the third day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,288 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Most British funerals are actially cremations not burials AFAIK.

    And that's where the 7 day delay comes from. Gotta leave time for any questions to be asked when theres no ppssibility of exhuming the body.

    Things will slow down here soon as the number of priests rapidly declines.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    gw80 wrote: »
    Is the reason for the 3 day burial in Ireland to do with, jesus rising from the grave on the third day?

    I'd say historically it was to do with public health practicalities. They would have ensured burrial happened relatively quickly as there were serious risks of spread of disease and no means of preserving anything. Refrigeration was not really widespread until well into the 20th century.

    Not to be totally heartless about it but a lot of funeral customs tend to stem from simple practicalities that needed to be standardised and observed to avoid health risks, especially in the old days when deaths were often caused by highly communicable diseases that would be rare in modern times.

    That's why I think in modern times we are rushing around far too much. You have time to consider people's emotional needs too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭Rubberlegs


    My Dad died in hospital in the evening time, the funeral home was contacted within the hour and the next morning we were picking out his suit to be buried in and dropping it to the funeral director for 10am. The meeting with the priest to discuss the mass was there and then as was picking the coffin. We passed comment on Dad arriving at the funeral home and were told that he was there since 9am. The funeral was delayed by a day to allow a relative to get here from England so we had one extra day to visit him. It all happened so quickly but in a sense it kept us busy. My Nanny died in England and wasnt buried for 9 days. An uncle also in England died suddenly, only because he was very old, and wasnt cremated for at least a month. I know it's creepy but all I could think of was him being in a fridge for that month. Far too long to be hanging around in my opinion. A middle ground as some posters have said would be good, or at least having the choice to maybe hold the funeral in a weeks time or whatever. Though I presume if family have to travel long distances this is catered for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    The issue when my mum died was we didn't even know who ring. The hospital staff suddenly went from good at communicating about the on going treatment to being as confused as we were. Nobody seemed to know where she was going next and there was no liason person or even anywhere to sit.

    It was an extremely busy neuroscience unit and other patients were still being treated all around her and they didn't seem to move towards taking her out of the ward.

    I would have thought that would have moved someone to a room somewhere so you had time to process what had just happened but it wasn't how it worked. They just drew the curtains.

    I felt very bad for the other patients as they were very much aware of what had just happened and all of them were just after arriving with stokes of various severity themselves.

    It just seemed very wrong.

    There just seemed to be no system to kick in when someone died. I mean I know they hope not to lose patients but, in a massive acute hospital it can't be a totally unusual scenario.

    I ended up having to Google an undertaker.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    One thing we do right here is funerals. Having an open casket gives a bit of closure, which I'd imagine has a limited time window.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    One thing we do right here is funerals. Having an open casket gives a bit of closure, which I'd imagine has a limited time window.

    I’ve written down my funeral wishes. My family, my husband’s close family, my friends and my husband’s close friends can see me in the casket. There’ll be a private viewing for them. For the ‘open to the public’ bit, I want the casket closed. People are there to sympathise. If they feel hard done not seeing me in the casket, well tough. They’re not my loved ones. I don’t want people I’m not close to gawping at me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    i think it's so they can avail of cheap Ryanair flights.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    There can be an additional delay with a cremation because a second doctor has to sign off on the death certificate because obviously there is no checking the body later if there are any questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭munstergirl


    My mum had 2 wishes, closed coffin and to be cremated. No reason for closed coffin, she just didn't want people making comment how beautiful, peaceful etc she looked, she thought there is nothing beautiful about a dead body.

    1st thing we said to funeral director was no rush, she died on a friday and was creamated on a tuesday.

    It was still a rush trying to get everything organised.

    Funeral director, Priest was great help, Hospital didn't say anything really only contact funeral director. We kept thing simple, what my mum would have wanted.

    I think everyone should let family members know what they want, final wishes or write it down. Favourite song etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    My granny said she wanted a closed coffin for similar reasons. Although she had lost an awful lot of weight and looked frail so didn't particularly want to be seen like that.

    We just put several photos of her when she was in her 20s and 40s and 60s up as she was determined that she wanted to be remembered as she was in her prime - not just as how she was during the year and a bit that she looked very unwell.

    That was a non religious funeral - we just read some poetry she liked, talked about the the good times and played a lot of her favourite music - she was a big classical fan and played piano so the were one or two pieces that were just her and had us in floods of tears.

    With my mom's, I'd have liked to plan it properly but that's not what happened. I'm not going to beat myself up about it as the circumstances were totally different but, I do think it's a pity it couldn't have taken a bit of time. You can't organise anything when you're in shock.

    I did a eulogy and I can't even remember what I said.

    I found the priest wanted to rush things too and kept going on about needing to get to a wedding and his assistants kept hassling me about wanting gifts for the altar and photographs of her. I had neither and had no idea what they even meant by gifts.

    All in all the whole experience was horrible and I'm still really upset about it months later.

    I had flashbacks for about 3 months after

    It still feels like it didn't actually happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Recliner


    I do know of an instance where the widow mentioned to a family member how rushed her husbands funeral seemed to be and how it would be nice to have a few more days to spend with him as he died very suddenly.
    Family member spoke to the undertaker who said no problem, and the funeral was postponed for I think 3 or 4 days. I think he said that once the body has been embalmed then there can be a little delay.
    I do think we rush things here but I'd imagine most people wouldn't even think to ask the undertaker to delay. Assuming there's no legal reason for a fast burial, then it should be an option if the family requests it.
    This was a small rural town mind you, maybe if the undertaker didn't know you personally it might make a difference.
    One thing I don't get is when a request is made for a house to be private on the morning of the burial, why some people seem to feel that doesn't apply to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    i think it's so they can avail of cheap Ryanair flights.
    Cheap Ryanair flights! They are a thing of the past. Maybe cheaper than others but try and get a short notice flight at Ryanair and you will pay well for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Recliner


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    My granny said she wanted a closed coffin for similar reasons. Although she had lost an awful lot of weight and looked frail so didn't particularly want to be seen like that.

    We just put several photos of her when she was in her 20s and 40s and 60s up as she was determined that she wanted to be remembered as she was in her prime - not just as how she was during the year and a bit that she looked very unwell.

    That was a non religious funeral - we just read some poetry she liked, talked about the the good times and played a lot of her favourite music - she was a big classical fan and played piano so the were one or two pieces that were just her and had us in floods of tears.

    With my mom's, I'd have liked to plan it properly but that's not what happened. I'm not going to beat myself up about it as the circumstances were totally different but, I do think it's a pity it couldn't have taken a bit of time. You can't organise anything when you're in shock.

    I did a eulogy and I can't even remember what I said.

    I found the priest wanted to rush things too and kept going on about needing to get to a wedding and his assistants kept hassling me about wanting gifts for the altar and photographs of her. I had neither and had no idea what they even meant by gifts.

    All in all the whole experience was horrible and I'm still really upset about it months later.

    I had flashbacks for about 3 months after

    It still feels like it didn't actually happen.

    Condolences to you on your loss.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    Edgware wrote: »
    Cheap Ryanair flights! They are a thing of the past. Maybe cheaper than others but try and get a short notice flight at Ryanair and you will pay well for it.

    They are pot luck at short notice really depending on your route and you can find flights from Aer Lingus and others very cheaply ... If you're lucky with the dates.

    At short notice on a busy route you can pay serious money for relatively short flights.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    20 odd years ago, a girl and a lad who had just left my secondary school and started university and an apprenticeship respectively were killed in a car crash. I had vaguely known the girl, as in talked to her a handful of times. Lots of people in the school knew both of them well. It was a rural area where everyone knows everyone type thing. Coming into school the Monday morning following the weekend crash was the most eerie thing I’ve ever experienced. None of the usual chatter, nobody talking except for the odd wail from a student here and there.

    People in other countries laud the very personal Irish funeral system. I’ve heard it said and read about it. This girl’s funeral gave me serious reservations about it. It’s fine if it’s somebody elderly, the funeral home visitation is generally a manageable amount of people (though something like 2500-3000 filed through the funeral home at my 90-year-old granny’s visitation on a 29 degree summer day! :eek:)

    But this girl’s funeral home bit - I regretted going. I was 14 and went “because I’ve talked to her a few times”. Nope, I was just being nosy. I freely admit that. So I went. And I’d never seen this before and haven’t since but her parents were huddled by her coffin, interacting with nobody. It’s 20 years and I can still see the look of anguish frozen on her father’s face as he tightly clutched a framed photo of her. I immediately felt like the biggest shît ever. There were so many students from the school there almost treating it like a social event. The worst moment of this family’s life. If 2500-3000 came to my granny’s visitation, can you imagine how many people were bearing down on this family? It seemed inhumane. Well, 14 year old me at least learned a lesson. Don’t treat someone else’s worst moment like entertainment. Since then, I’ve chosen very carefully which funerals to attend.

    The rural Irish way is a bit of a free for all and if it’s somebody young or a tragedy, it can be so overwhelming for the family. In cases like that, I think the British ways of giving more time for the family to come to terms AND inviting people rather than throwing the doors open to anyone are much better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,633 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Sad for me to read this, especially the posts of those who lost loved ones suddenly and had to arrange things quickly, as today is actually my mother's 7 year anniversary.

    Her passing was not a major shock, she'd been ill for the previous six months due to an operation to remove a brain tumour and in the end it was a very sad relief for her as the last month she was in a coma with no real chance of recovery.

    She died on the Friday but for some reason she was delayed being released by the hospital until Saturday evening and this had a knock on effect of delaying the funeral from Monday till Tuesday.

    This give us some time with her alone in the funeral home with nothing to arrange or no people to see and it was me and my Dad just sitting with her in the funeral home and taking time to talk about her and memories and just a bit of space to process what was going on in our heads.
    I can really look back at that day and cherish it. Might sound strange to some, to spend time with a dead person but until you experience the loss of a close family member you won't understand it.

    I do think we're a little too fast in Ireland. You can die on a Sunday here and be buired and gone forever on a Tuesday which gives grieving family members no preparation whatsoever but I do find the 2-3 weeks it can take in the UK to be far too long. A week should be the maximum imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Recliner wrote: »
    One thing I don't get is when a request is made for a house to be private on the morning of the burial, why some people seem to feel that doesn't apply to them.

    Maybe they didn't know. Perhaps they were very close, I'd consider many of my friends as family, I'd hope they'd be allowed into my house. It's not what you want, it's what the deceased would have wanted that's important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Recliner


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Maybe they didn't know. Perhaps they were very close, I'd consider many of my friends as family, I'd hope they'd be allowed into my house. It's not what you want, it's what the deceased would have wanted that's important.

    In fairness it's usually mentioned in the death notices both in print and radio. And it's the family who would put the notice in. I've witnessed it recently enough in my own family where there were so many people at the house on the morning of the burial that the wife of the man who had died and her children barely got a minute alone with him before the coffin was closed. And the house had been requested as private.
    She was very upset over that as she had purposely held the wake over 2 evenings as she knew there would have been a lot of people to come. And the house private would have given the family the time they needed.
    In another instance when we left the house that morning people had gathered outside to walk behind the hearse to the church but didn't come into the house which I thought was lovely.
    And I'm sorry but I'd have to respectfully disagree with you on the point of it not being what the grieving family wants that's important. Of course if specific wishes have been known regarding funeral service, music etc then they should be followed through. But I don't think most people would necessarily think that a family requesting some final private time with their loved one as being an inordinately unreasonable request, especially if there has been ample time for people to pay their respects.
    Just my opinion.
    Anyway I probably shouldn't have brought it up, it doesn't have anything to do with the OP so it was off topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Maybe they didn't know. Perhaps they were very close, I'd consider many of my friends as family, I'd hope they'd be allowed into my house. It's not what you want, it's what the deceased would have wanted that's important.

    An uncle of one of my friends died suddenly last year. His widow had people calling to her door the night before the funeral mass all night up to 2am. Seriously. Calling in after the pub, most of them. That is pig-ignorant. And many death notices specify ‘House Private’. I think most specify that. If the notice says ‘House Private’, don’t call to the house. It’s really that simple.

    And I disagree that only the deceased should be considered. Many people take what the people left behind would be comfortable with into consideration when writing down their funeral wishes. I certainly did. They are ones left behind to deal with it all. Funerals are as much for the living as the dead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    While we are on the topic of funerals anyone got any idea how much the carriage and black horses costs house to church maybe a mile distance max


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭Rubberlegs


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    My granny said she wanted a closed coffin for similar reasons. Although she had lost an awful lot of weight and looked frail so didn't particularly want to be seen like that.

    We just put several photos of her when she was in her 20s and 40s and 60s up as she was determined that she wanted to be remembered as she was in her prime - not just as how she was during the year and a bit that she looked very unwell.

    That was a non religious funeral - we just read some poetry she liked, talked about the the good times and played a lot of her favourite music - she was a big classical fan and played piano so the were one or two pieces that were just her and had us in floods of tears.

    With my mom's, I'd have liked to plan it properly but that's not what happened. I'm not going to beat myself up about it as the circumstances were totally different but, I do think it's a pity it couldn't have taken a bit of time. You can't organise anything when you're in shock.

    I did a eulogy and I can't even remember what I said.

    I found the priest wanted to rush things too and kept going on about needing to get to a wedding and his assistants kept hassling me about wanting gifts for the altar and photographs of her. I had neither and had no idea what they even meant by gifts.

    All in all the whole experience was horrible and I'm still really upset about it months later.

    I had flashbacks for about 3 months after

    It still feels like it didn't actually happen.

    With my Dad my one regret is that no one did a eulogy. Myself and my sibling did readings and grandchildren read prayers of the faithful. The priest actually said he didn't encourage family members to stand up and talk about the deceased as it can be too upsetting for them and be too much pressure. I wish I had now. My Dad wasn't a regular mass goer so the priest didn't know him It felt so odd to tell him bits about him and his life so that he could say a bit about him on the altar. A bit impersonal. Looking back it all feels part of the rush in proceedings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    While we are on the topic of funerals anyone got any idea how much the carriage and black horses costs house to church maybe a mile distance max

    Some of the Kinahan or Hutch crew could answer that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    Garlinge wrote: »
    I think there is a 7 day delay legally in UK. Makes for sense, time for autopsy, check details of death etc. Also funerals in UK are more by invitation so time to contact people. It is less common to put a newspaper notice.


    That might be the case in England, but that is definitely not the case in Northern Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Sad for me to read this, especially the posts of those who lost loved ones suddenly and had to arrange things quickly, as today is actually my mother's 7 year anniversary.

    Her passing was not a major shock, she'd been ill for the previous six months due to an operation to remove a brain tumour and in the end it was a very sad relief for her as the last month she was in a coma with no real chance of recovery.

    She died on the Friday but for some reason she was delayed being released by the hospital until Saturday evening and this had a knock on effect of delaying the funeral from Monday till Tuesday.

    This give us some time with her alone in the funeral home with nothing to arrange or no people to see and it was me and my Dad just sitting with her in the funeral home and taking time to talk about her and memories and just a bit of space to process what was going on in our heads.
    I can really look back at that day and cherish it. Might sound strange to some, to spend time with a dead person but until you experience the loss of a close family member you won't understand it.


    I do think we're a little too fast in Ireland. You can die on a Sunday here and be buired and gone forever on a Tuesday which gives grieving family members no preparation whatsoever but I do find the 2-3 weeks it can take in the UK to be far too long. A week should be the maximum imho.

    That doesn’t sound strange at all. It sounds quite lovely, in fact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭jos28


    I have a lot of family in the UK, most of my uncles/aunts have passed on at this stage. My understanding for the delay is that funerals cannot take place until the death cert has been issued. That is not the case in Ireland.
    I actually think we 'do' funerals extremely well here. I like the idea of a wake, ceremony and reception. It's a process that helps with the grief.
    When my Dad died, my Mam insisted on taking an extra day or two before the funeral. We did the same when she passed away. She died early on Saturday morning and the funeral was the following Wednesday. It gave relatives a chance to fly home and gave us a chance to organise things as she would have wanted. None of it is easy, I'd hate the UK idea of having to go back to work following a loss and then take time off for the funeral at a later stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    bobbyss wrote: »
    Why do burials of people in Britain take weeks to happen? In Ireland it's about three days?

    Brexit.

    They'll need a special permit to die in a few weeks, cost a fortune so it will.

    Didn't think of that, did they.

    Twats:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    My wife died suddenly and unexpectedly nearly 15 years ago. The three days between her death and burial were a blur and I have little memory of those days still. Fortunately, her family were a great help (all my own family are in England) and there's probably nothing I'd have changed about the whole experience. However, I have often thought that they could have suggested anything and I'd have agreed to it, only to regret it once the initial shock had worn off.

    At the other extreme, when my mother died in England a few years ago, there was a gap of at least three weeks between her death and funeral. I asked the undertaker what the reason was for the delay between death and funeral in England. He told me it was for bureaucratic reasons (it might take a week or two to get all the relevant paperwork authorised by the local council) and that it was also just traditional.

    It did make it very hard for my dad, as he was stuck in no-man's-land until she was buried.

    As most have said here, I think between a week and two weeks max would be more preferable. This gives the people most affected the time to make important decisions, while at the same time not dragging out the waiting for the actual funeral.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I don't like the way funerals are done in this country. Way too many turn up, it should be a more private affair. Certainly in the country this is true. Being forced to shake the hands of sometimes hundreds of ppl at a time of loss is just crazy. If you are acquainted with someone who suffered a loss then you can just express you sympathy the next time you see them or send a card perhaps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    I experience both sides of this coin.
    Dad died "suddenly" in UK, on a Bank Holiday weekend, and was buried a week after he died.
    I got more unsettled as time went on and I figured it was because he was helpless / defenceless.
    I felt better after he was buried.
    A couple of "personalities" died the same day he did, and I read about their funerals weeks later.
    I would not have appreciated that.

    Mam was buried 4 days after she died. At that there was a delay because people wanted to travel over.
    I found the short gap was easier for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Hesh's Umpire


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't like the way funerals are done in this country. Way too many turn up, it should be a more private affair. Certainly in the country this is true. Being forced to shake the hands of sometimes hundreds of ppl at a time of loss is just crazy. If you are acquainted with someone who suffered a loss then you can just express you sympathy the next time you see them or send a card perhaps.

    But surely, that's the call of the bereaved family? If you want a more private funeral when you lose someone, you can do so and make it invitation only as it often is in other countries.
    I know of cases where it's happened.
    Likewise, others take comfort from the sympathies of large numbers of friends, neighbours and acquaintances.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    But surely, that's the call of the bereaved family? If you want a more private funeral when you lose someone, you can do so and make it invitation only as it often is in other countries.
    I know of cases where it's happened.
    Likewise, others take comfort from the sympathies of large numbers of friends, neighbours and acquaintances.

    Don’t underestimate the pressure people feel to do the “done thing”. As well as that, it can be such a blur of a time that it’s often easier to go with the path of least resistance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    the first slot we could get in the council cemetary was two weeks when my father died . crazy really somewhere around a week is probably best.
    the muslim part of the cemetary they manage to be buried in 24 hours.
    but im guessing that theres more morgues than in ireland so there not the same urgency to get someone buried.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    I think the Irish way is too quick. Especially if it’s a sudden, tragic death of someone young. It’s such a shock and then they are gone and buried quickly.

    A middle ground between the two would be perfect.

    Speaking as someone who has personal experience of this, I think the Irish system is best. It is utterly exhausting as it is. Lets face it you aren't grieving during this show period anyway, it's for other people. You are in some kind of zombie state. If it was to go on for weeks it would be an even worse nightmare.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My father died a few years ago and it was all a blur for the next 3/4 days.

    I didnt mind the crowds so much, we'va a large family and they all turned up, I really liked the support and greatly appreciated it.


    But its different strokes for different folks. I had a young relation die and huge crowds visited the house. I have no idea how the parents coped.


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