Jail for doing 44km/h over the 120km/h limit

selectamatic

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/358043/jail-sentence-for-man-caught-speeding-on-limerick-motorway.html

28 year old man clocked driving at 164km/h on the motorway gets a two year disqualification, fined €400 and a two month prison sentence.

Step aside Judge Zaidan we are now entering the era of Judge Marian O'Leary.

Personally I think a fcpn and 3 points would have been plenty.

Henry Ford III

Sounded a bit harsh to me. They'll possibly appeal.

Reckless Abandonment

No previous convictions. Does sound harsh. But he was over the 160k mark. That is like a red rage to a bull.

ahnowbrowncow

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

No previous convictions. Does sound harsh. But he was over the 160k mark. That is like a red rage to a bull.

Yeah but then someone else kills two people when driving illegally and only gets a suspended sentence.

Where the hell is the consistency?

Reckless Abandonment

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Yeah but then someone else kills two people when driving illegally and only gets a suspended sentence.

Where the hell is the consistency?

There isn't any. That's the problem. The courts are a mess and not just with traffic offences.
It will be reduced on appeal. Probably won't do time. Fine and banned a year
But it will be a waste of courts time.

Royale with Cheese

Jesus, I'd expect the speed to be well over 200 before jail time is even mentioned. That's fúcking ridiculous.

Eric Cartman

no previous convictions for driving offences and that he requires his licence as his partner does not drive.

So he has other previous convictions (non motoring) and he's unemployed.Solicitor wouldnt have specified motoring convitions and would have said he needed it for work if those were the case.

Could be the case that theres no way he could pay a 1000-2000 euro fine, or the car could be a factor. doing 164 in an M5 thats designed to stop at twice that speed is completely different to a lad completely maxing out an old clio.

Duke O Smiley

For what its worth he'll probably do a whole weekend inside if he's unlucky.

Still a kick in the teeth though. Thought he might even have been uninsured/unlicensed to warrant that

Henry Ford III

Eric Cartman wrote: »

......So he has other previous convictions (non motoring) and he's unemployed......

That's a bit of a stretch.

Renegade Mechanic

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Jesus, I'd expect the speed to be well over 200 before jail time is even mentioned. That's fúcking ridiculous.

Anything over 160kph and it's automatically "dangerous driving" i.e, ye get cuffed, charged, and told when to show up in court.

As long as it was well under 200kph, then with dangerous driving, the ban is mandatory and the jail time is at the judges discretion.
Now, far more often than not, you get a suit and ye argue for a "careless driving" conviction instead, whereby the ban is at the judges discretion and the jail time isn't really considered. And more often than not, that's what happens, As long as you haven't been caught being naughty before you've been a good lad in the past, regarding records and what not, and you stopped straight away, were very nice to the cauliflower eared pigs arse lovely Gard, etc etc....
And then you go off on your merry way to paying 3k for insurance for the rest of yer days.


Now, for that not to happen, for him to have gone straight from no convictions to jail, something we're not being told must have been transpired. I'd be inclined to wonder how much lip was dispensed at the side of the road

Edit: Just read Eric Cartman's post, Gards might've been tired of him..

ED E

Only way that happened is he's known to local Gardai and they requested it.

Eric Cartman

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That's a bit of a stretch.

has no convictions at all and needs the car for work are standard fare in courtrooms, deviating from it is only done when the solicitor wants to be economical with the truth. The only reason they'd swap work for kids as a reason is if one of the kids was disabled, which they would definitely mention.

TeaBagMania

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

And then you go off on your merry way to paying 3k for insurance for the rest of yer days.

He'd be lucky to get insurance for 3K, after a conviction like that i doubt anyone will insure him for the next ten years

deceit

Why is that speed considered dangerous? Its relatively slow on a well maintained motorway. In my opinion its crazy to even get points for it.

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

OldMrBrennan83

I think it's brilliant to see and more of the same is the only thing that will act as a proper deterrent.

McCrack

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Anything over 160kph and it's automatically "dangerous driving" i.e, ye get cuffed, charged, and told when to show up in court.

As long as it was well under 200kph, then with dangerous driving, the ban is mandatory and the jail time is at the judges discretion.
Now, far more often than not, you get a suit and ye argue for a "careless driving" conviction instead, whereby the ban is at the judges discretion and the jail time isn't really considered. And more often than not, that's what happens, As long as you haven't been caught being naughty before you've been a good lad in the past, regarding records and what not, and you stopped straight away, were very nice to the cauliflower eared pigs arse lovely Gard, etc etc....
And then you go off on your merry way to paying 3k for insurance for the rest of yer days.


Now, for that not to happen, for him to have gone straight from no convictions to jail, something we're not being told must have been transpired. I'd be inclined to wonder how much lip was dispensed at the side of the road

Edit: Just read Eric Cartman's post, Gards might've been tired of him..

There's no speed threshold as to what constitutes dangerous driving

People detected on motorways at 160/180 have received FCPNs

Google and look up s53 of the RTA 1961 for definition of what is considered dangerous driving. It's an objective test

Dravokivich

deceit wrote: »

Why is that speed considered dangerous? Its relatively slow on a well maintained motorway. In my opinion its crazy to even get points for it.

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

You need to take into account that they would be going approx 33% faster than the rest of traffic. The issue isnt solely the risk to themselves, but to others who arent going to be anticipating that speed. Only yesterday i was goong to overtake someone at 80, on a road rated at 80, for someone to come up behind me very quickly at a speed greatly exceeding 80. They weren't there when I started and had to pull out of the overtake halfway through.

Allinall

deceit wrote: »

Why is that speed considered dangerous? Its relatively slow on a well maintained motorway. In my opinion its crazy to even get points for it.

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

Relatively low compared to what?

Using the fact that you can legally drive really fast as one of your reasons to emigrate sounds extremely childish to me.

swarlb

deceit wrote: »

Why is that speed considered dangerous? Its relatively slow on a well maintained motorway. In my opinion its crazy to even get points for it.

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

Something to do with the speed limit being 120kph. I take it you can drive at 200kph an ANY stretch of road in Germany, and that they have no speed limits of any kind whatsoever ??

KevRossi

deceit wrote: »

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

Well you'd better be aware of all the other laws that they have. Starts at a €5 fine in most cities for placing your parking ticket on the side of the dashboard that's away from the footpath. I lived there for years, and there's feck all places left where you can hit 200kmh + for more than 4 or 5 km without getting stuck behind someone or hitting a 120/100/80/80 when it's wet sign.

And the Germans love to get their man, and they take don't do excuses.

Enjoy. (I loved it there BTW)

gctest50

The Jap. imports were decades ahead :

Tiguan Joe

Probably a dumb question but is it possible to limit the speed on all cars to the max speed limit (120kph) before they are even sold so that even if you want to go over speed limit you can't ?
Why are cars in Ireland capable of speeds so much over the limit.

Eric Cartman

Tiguan Joe wrote: »

Probably a dumb question but is it possible to limit the speed on all cars to the max speed limit (120kph) before they are even sold so that even if you want to go over speed limit you can't ?
Why are cars in Ireland capable of speeds so much over the limit.

because manufacturers are free to do it, you can use a car not on public roads, we have to leave some personal responsibility and you may need to go over 120 to overtake or avoid an accident.

Mike9832

What car was it?

mickdw

This is madness.
Limit was 120. Majority doing near 140 typically so this driver while clearly well over the limit was not at a crazy speed.
Perhaps there was more to this? Zig zagging through traffic at that speed or driving an unfit car or something but to think that someone could go to jail for doing 100 mph on a quite motorway in a good car is frightening and beyond what I thought even Ross was trying to bring in.

gctest50

Tiguan Joe wrote: »

Probably a dumb question but is it possible to limit the speed on all cars to the max speed limit (120kph) before they are even sold so that even if you want to go over speed limit you can't ?
Why are cars in Ireland capable of speeds so much over the limit.

Of course you can, it's 2019, there's little robots on Mars and the Moon

swarlb

swarlb wrote: »

Something to do with the speed limit being 120kph. I take it you can drive at 200kph an ANY stretch of road in Germany, and that they have no speed limits of any kind whatsoever ??

Even on autobahns the recommended maximum speed is modestly low ...... in normal cars most folk don't go over 160kph.....lots of the network isn't totally straight too of course.

mickdw

Weepsie wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

Majority doing near 140 typically so this driver while clearly well over the limit was not at a crazy speed.
.

No they're not

I don't live near motorway but anytime I'm driving from West into Dublin, sitting at 120 would have me overtaken constantly and consistently.

mvl

that may have been in past - before all this noise about the speeding penalties changes ?!?

- not sure if its just me, but actually I had a feel ppl are driving slower this beginning of the year ...

johnmcdnl

mickdw wrote: »

I don't live near motorway but anytime I'm driving from West into Dublin, sitting at 120 would have me overtaken constantly and consistently.

Anytime I'm doing a long drive on any motorway in Ireland, doing 110-115, I'm doing the majority of the overtaking, with an occasional person overtaking me. The M1 would be the exception to that.

Anedoctal evidence goes both ways I guess.

CiniO

Tiguan Joe wrote: »

Probably a dumb question but is it possible to limit the speed on all cars to the max speed limit (120kph) before they are even sold so that even if you want to go over speed limit you can't ?
Why are cars in Ireland capable of speeds so much over the limit.

How do you imagine Irish person driving such car abroad, and being stuck at 120km/h in places where limits are higher?

Pelvis

mickdw wrote: »

I don't live near motorway but anytime I'm driving from West into Dublin, sitting at 120 would have me overtaken constantly and consistently.

+1

Any time I'm on a motorway outside Dublin I'm right on the speed limit and by far most other cars around me are overtaking me!

tabby aspreme

deceit wrote: »

Why is that speed considered dangerous? Its relatively slow on a well maintained motorway. In my opinion its crazy to even get points for it.

Its one of the reasons I moved to Germany in December to avoid such sillyness. Over here you could be cruising at 200 and be passed like your standing still.

Keep your eyes open over there, I got a fine for doing 26kph in a 20 zone, near Frankfurt, a few years ago.

OldMrBrennan83

CiniO wrote: »

How do you imagine Irish person driving such car abroad, and being stuck at 120km/h in places where limits are higher?

Hardly worth worrying about such a small handful of people.

corks finest

selectamatic wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/358043/jail-sentence-for-man-caught-speeding-on-limerick-motorway.html

28 year old man clocked driving at 164km/h on the motorway gets a two year disqualification, fined €400 and a two month prison sentence.

Step aside Judge Zaidan we are now entering the era of Judge Marian O'Leary.

Personally I think a fcpn and 3 points would have been plenty.

Warning to others, nothing else, won't do any jail time

OldMrBrennan83

corks finest wrote: »

Warning to others, nothing else, won't do any jail time

That's the problem. If it doesn't stick then it's just an invitation to do whatever you like.

Tacitus Kilgore

Patww79 wrote: »

Hardly worth worrying about such a small handful of people.

So by that logic, the small handful of folk who will do 120 in a 30 aren't worth worrying about either?

OldMrBrennan83

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So by that logic, the small handful of folk who will do 120 in a 30 aren't worth worrying about either?

You're talking about one group of people who will be going 4x the speed limit here vs ones that will be in an Irish car in a specific part of a specific other country. I think one is worth bothering about and one isn't, so no it's not the same logic.

Tacitus Kilgore

Patww79 wrote: »

You're talking about one group of people who will be going 4x the speed limit here vs ones that will be in an Irish car in a specific part of a specific other country. I think one is worth bothering about and one isn't, so no it's not the same logic.

I respectfully disagree

Homer

Mike9832 wrote: »

What car was it?

Somebody mentioned an M5 in an earlier post. How does a 28 year old (allegedly with previous convictions of some type) afford to buy/run/insure an M5?!

Eric Cartman

Homer wrote: »

Somebody mentioned an M5 in an earlier post. How does a 28 year old (allegedly with previous convictions of some type) afford to buy/run/insure an M5?!

No, that was a comparison saying those speeds would be less dangerous in an m5 than amd old clio because of stopping power

CiniO

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No, that was a comparison saying those speeds would be less dangerous in an m5 than amd old clio because of stopping power

Majority of cars have very similar stopping power.

While acceleration 0-150km/h will be crazy faster in M5 than an old Clio, but stopping from 150km/h to 0 will not differ that much. (assuming Clio's brakes are in good shape, but that's why we have NCT).

CiniO

Patww79 wrote: »

Hardly worth worrying about such a small handful of people.

Why?
Do you sacrifice rights of small group of people for prosperity of majority?
That sounds very far from democracy and freedom.

redcup342

If all of the information in that story is correct the bloody Judge deserves to go to Jail. :mad:

OldMrBrennan83

CiniO wrote: »

Why?
Do you sacrifice rights of small group of people for prosperity of majority?
That sounds very far from democracy and freedom.

For people outside the state? I'd be looking after closer to home first.

And remember, you're wailing democracy and freedom because someone with an Irish car wouldn't be able to do over 120km/h in a small selection of countries that allows you to go higher. Hardly a humanitarian issue is it?

CiniO

Patww79 wrote: »

For people outside the state? I'd be looking after closer to home first.

And remember, you're wailing democracy and freedom because someone with an Irish car wouldn't be able to do over 120km/h in a small selection of countries that allows you to go higher. Hardly a humanitarian issue is it?

No. Not humanitarian issue, but simply limiting your rights.

Wibbs

CiniO wrote: »

Majority of cars have very similar stopping power.

While acceleration 0-150km/h will be crazy faster in M5 than an old Clio, but stopping from 150km/h to 0 will not differ that much. (assuming Clio's brakes are in good shape, but that's why we have NCT).

An old Clio will be significantly lighter too which has an impact on stopping distances.

Zubeneschamali

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Anything over 160kph and it's automatically "dangerous driving" i.e, ye get cuffed, charged, and told when to show up in court.

Baloney, I got done at 172kph on the motorway, and the guard was quite angry cause it took him ages to catch up to me, but it was still just a fine and points.

Henry Ford III

I know someone who got caught doing 166kph on an N road. He got a good bollocking and 2 points.

Melodeon

CiniO wrote: »

Majority of cars have very similar stopping power.

While acceleration 0-150km/h will be crazy faster in M5 than an old Clio, but stopping from 150km/h to 0 will not differ that much. (assuming Clio's brakes are in good shape, but that's why we have NCT).

In fairness, the stopping power of performance cars (BMW M series, Audi RS, etc) is startling when compared to 'regular'cars.
While the raw acceleration has uninitiated passengers squeaking with joy, they're gasping with fright as the negative G has them hanging out of their seat belt during a full-blooded 'emergency' stop.
Those fat sticky tyres and brake discs like dustbin lids DO make a difference

CiniO

Wibbs wrote: »

An old Clio will be significantly lighter too which has an impact on stopping distances.

No it doesn't really.

Lighter weight means less friction between tyres and road so worse stopping distance. But at the same time, as car is lighter, it's less weight to stop, so better stopping distance.
Generally this simple physics equalizes stopping distance for most cars.

It works bit the way you said but opposite on larger scale though. F.e. trucks and buses having longer stopping distance than cars. And cars having longer stopping distance than motorbikes.

Assuming braking system is fully operational in good condition, the biggest factor is probably tyres.
I could bet big money that old clio will stop sooner from 150km/h on good tyres, then M5 on crap chineese ditchfinders.